C180 and c200 uses different engines?

[Sturtles]

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I've got a question...

 

The kleeman's kits should be giving the c180K the same performance as a kleemen's kitted c230K.. but this is not the case... does anyone know why?

Edited February 13, 2006 by Sturtles

[Cyberet]

different tunning?

[Ahbengdriver]

C&C said the C180 and C200 had same kompressor engines, but the C200 is a supercharged one givng greater power. Thats what the sales executive said when I was there last w/e. did know of kleeman as I thot good tuning only from AMG.

 

side track a bit sorry, does BMW has similar tuning stuffs[good ones] as done by AC Sh???

[Cyberet]

C180 is also supercharged i believe

 

maybe different supercharger size?

 

http://www.acschnitzer.com/

i think u have to ask performance motors.

 

159944, SGP,

Singapore

 

Performance Motors Limited

315 Alexandra Road #01-01

Performance Centre

6319 0828

Edited February 13, 2006 by Cyberet

[Sturtles]

hmm.. i see... could be the case.. although the engines are the same, the supercharger is differently sized.

 

But from the specs of the kleemen, it seems the c200K and the c230K uses about the same supercharger only 5 hp difference

[Cyberet]

hehehe.. so get the c200, and lup a Kleemann performance kit

[Tohdj]

they're using a technology called TwinPulse...where the engine cc is the same...but the power output is different. i remember that it should be C180 and C200 which has the same CC...but different cam profile and ECU program.

[Sturtles]

i see... its very plausible too

 

But with the less agressive cam profile of the c180, does it mean it saves even more fuel?

 

The 200K is already quite a sipper liao, matching even some 1.6L cars like sunny and lancers..

 

The 180K, hmm.... maybe sip like a vios? hahaha

[Sturtles]

No lah.. i was thinking if i tio toto, then maybe get a 180K, then lup he kleeman kit, can get equivalent power as a 230K...

 

but it seems max is about 193hp, which is not too bad for a 1.8L already...

[Tohdj]

the twinpulse tech is suppose to be fuel efficient as well.

 

benz has a pretty good gearbox and engine management program. when on cruise control on expressways, even the S-class can match 1.6l jap cars for fuel efficiencies.

 

here's an article on twinpulse

 

http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-a...0k-1003060.html

[Cyberet]

the c200 if driven with a light foot for the whole journey, can get 10km/l

on local expressways with speed limiter, its about 12km/l

but average records since day1 till now is about 9km/l

 

not bad for a heavy 1.8L car

 

recently went for a gearbox overhaul & engine had some carbon buildup problem though

Edited February 13, 2006 by Cyberet

[Vblaster_w211]

I get 8L/100km on the E200K M271 on 70% highway, 30% normal urban. That's 12.5km per L!

 

On night cruising from work to home on highway, I've even hit 7.6L/100km, or 13km/L.

 

The E200K and C200K uses the same M271 tuned to 163bhp and 240Nm.

 

The C180K uses the same M271 engine, but the Kompressor is less aggressive with a different ECU map, hence the lower bhp and torque.

 

Hence the Kleemann kit is pulley + K-Box (air fuel ratio piggy back) for E200K and C200K, and only K-Box for C180K.

 

The M271 engine is great stuff, giving very good FC and overall performance for a 1.8L SC engine. It's a bonus too given our crazy road tax system that taxes according to cc!

[Cyberet]

yeah, in the wee hours with empty roads and highway travel, 13km/L has been achieved before

but rare nowadays la

[Sturtles]

Hmm.. if the 180K is only different from the 200k and 230k, do you know why the hp figures produced after the k-kit is different for all the 3 models?

 

Also, the ecu map could already be affected by the k-box to achieve the same actual mapping as the 200 and 230k... otherwise, a simple ecu change could help too :)

 

i realy think there are different models of supercharger mounted on the m271 hence the difference in performance after kitting

[Sturtles]

In addition to the Kleemann pulley cum piggyback kit,

 

all m271 owners can get this, for another 25+- horses to pull the car...

 

so a c200k will become 210hp+25 with 300Nm+some..

 

Not bad for a run-of-the-mill car

 

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[Vblaster_w211]

Yes, the Kompressors are different on the C180 and C200/E200.

[Evow123]

Bro, want to meet up this Sat @ 2pm Kallang Mac??

 

SGMercedes Meetup!

[Vblaster_w211]

OK! Will keep it in mind and try to make it.

 

The Mercedes delphi forum has a really unfriendly interface. Wish we could have a proper forum for sg Mercedes like IntegraSG or the BMW club. Oh well...