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Posted 20 September 2008 - 09:17 PM

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What is this VVTI gear? My toyota is 3 rd old, yesterday while driving suddenly the engine indicator light on. I sent to BM for checking and said is VVTI gear spoilt. Need to change at S$800 !!!. Luckily my wife I argue and they give free since I service during the warranty period and the car got problem after few days out from the warranty.

IS the VVTI gear easy to spoil? The customer service said is due to poor maintenance. I told him that all my maintenance are from Toyota...he just keep quiet and say...aiyah sometimes it happened. Got like that meh?

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 09:27 PM

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i also have an altis. age around 3.5yrs old.

could you share your driving habbit? are you the sort who will "floor acclerator" on green light kind? tongue.gif

i am rather light footed. so far did not encounter anything like this? lipsrsealed.gif

Please provide more information on this VVTi gear that you mentioned so that i can take note of what symptom to watch out for should it occur.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 10:45 PM

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Did you change your gearbox ATF as schedule? Toyota ATF Fluid last 40,000KM, but I always change at 30,000KM.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 10:49 PM

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vvti got nothing to do with gearbox
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 11:08 PM

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I dun tink he meant gearbox at all. He probably meant the VVTI gear in the engine, some sort of gear that activate VVTI?

Edited by Fcw75, 20 September 2008 - 11:09 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2008 - 11:18 PM

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Maybe its the VVT pulley or oil solenoid spoil
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 12:09 AM

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did you change your gearbox ATF as schedule? Toyota ATF Fluid last 40,000KM, but I always change at 30,000KM.


this guy is talking about gearbox loh

Edited by Iliketodrive, 21 September 2008 - 12:09 AM.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 12:09 AM

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Maybe due to wear & tear. Your VVTi are managed by camshafts or some some call it rocker cam on the shaft. At the end of the shaft it's connected by timing gears and timing chain/belt. I suppose your mechanic is referring to such gears.

On the first pic is most likely the type which Toyota engine runs on: timing chain, and the gears are actually what we call sprockets. The shafts they are connected to are the camshafts or your VVTi.

The second pic is on timing belt and timing gears which are much broader in width to accommodate the belt(not very clear, hope u can see)
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 12:25 AM

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What your customer service said is not wrong. Yes all your maintenance is done at AD but U as the car owner should monitor the lubrication aka engine oil level.

I can understand what they face when dealing with customers who have no idea of what they are talking about. But hey that is not all bad, at least u get them replaced for free or under warranty...
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 03:26 PM

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I did not mention toyota gearbox is VVTI. U tell that to TS, he assume gearbox is VVTI. Thanks. its the engine(VVTI)
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 09:56 AM

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Its not the gear box, just the VVTI gear in the engine. I only realise it when I have the engine indicator light on. Does not feel anything wrong with my car. I am not the speedo type of driver. Also not speeding in MY too laugh.gif . Only thing is whenever I am back MY, I usually have a HEAVY LOAD cargo back to SG. sweatdrop.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif .

I do usually monitor the engine oil. My car is 100% service by BM and i usually just follow the package that they given me. So far the BM never say anything wrong with my car. The only thing is I mostly service my car at the woodlands centre. I do experience the servicing level is not that good compare to the main service centre but that's the nearest to my home.

I will just manually check my car about 1-2 weeks on the oil, etc. My car only been to Genting Highlands once.

I just want to know what I need to keep track on top of the usual BM service and manual checking. What's the cause of the problem?

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Posted 22 September 2008 - 10:11 AM

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hi there,

few years ago, my dad owned an altis too. the engine light lited up while driving and when it does, u will notice a drop in gear power and can feel 'hollow' when accelerating.

Sent to BM twice to get it solved free w warranty. the car was just few mths old at that time. quite disappointed coz its supposed to be toyota! first time they said fixed but it didnt so second time they said they changed the gear and i can see many colorful markings on the engine and parts...i guess they really did a throughly check.

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Posted 22 September 2008 - 06:01 PM

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Those agents normally will change more then they do.. single componet faulty, they change the related item as well.. My friends are all service adviser in C&C ,Opel and Honda, they told me that! Properly is one of your EFI closed loop sensor screwed-up.. your variable valve sensor?
Cannot be the damn gear gone.. those are manufacture to last.. unless you are a crazy driver!

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Posted 22 September 2008 - 09:00 PM

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Require a OBD scanner to read out the fault code. Engine check light on is not a kidding matter.
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Posted 23 September 2008 - 08:40 PM

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My friend's Altis also encounter this problem few months ago. His bought his Altis only last year. He was quite disappointed as his previous 6 year old Corolla, the last batch of Japan made Corolla brought in by BM is problem free, although he doesn't send it for servicing regularly

Thai quality is really that lousy?

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 09:11 PM

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Well... well... well....

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To me, if the break down is mainly due to wear and tear... so called consumable.. just accept it. tongue.gif

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 10:25 PM

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I think the workmanship, quality inspection standard is not so strict as Japan. Japanese takes their work very seriously and with pride. I am also driving a thailand assembled toyota, the standard of work is really shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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Posted 26 September 2008 - 12:39 PM

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What is this VVTI gear? My toyota is 3 rd old, yesterday while driving suddenly the engine indicator light on. I sent to BM for checking and said is VVTI gear spoilt. Need to change at S$800 !!!. Luckily my wife I argue and they give free since I service during the warranty period and the car got problem after few days out from the warranty.

IS the VVTI gear easy to spoil? The customer service said is due to poor maintenance. I told him that all my maintenance are from Toyota...he just keep quiet and say...aiyah sometimes it happened. Got like that meh?


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Posted 15 November 2010 - 11:27 PM

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It happened to me today, and no choice got it changed at BM a few hundred dollars. Just want to check with you guys, how often will have this happen?

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 12:20 PM

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I dun tink he meant gearbox at all. He probably meant the VVTI gear in the engine, some sort of gear that activate VVTI?


Yes, VVTi is a set of gears operated by hydraulic pressure to adjust the cam phasing. Its still attached to your timing belt/chain and uses this to turn the camshaft.

Yes, I did heard about premature VVTi failure that causes the camshaft to be locked in one position. ITs not a big deal because it won't spoil the engine. Just that you wont' get optimum power and FC. But $800 to replace it isn't cheap...... But I guess AD is like that one. Perhaps the VVTi unit can be taken apart to replace individual parts but they usually just replace the whole module.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 12:33 PM

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thankfully my tomyam altis still ok. 2.5yrs.

Just did my 40k servicing. Only issue thus far is a creaking suspension coil, just swapped out.

Interestingly though, 5 yr warranty is becoming the norm for BM.
Ironic when older toyota's are more reliable.

According to my SE then, I believe that thaiyotas still have their engine assembled in japan & the rest of the car is assembled in Thailand.



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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:33 PM

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2009 Altis giving off cranking noise while accelerating off from traffic light (occasionally). have to floor more accleration for the noise to go off. Have replaced transmission fuel and engine air filter but problem persist.

Could it due to gearbox issue?

How can the problem be solve? appreciate the advice from members here.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:52 PM

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2009 Altis giving off cranking noise while accelerating off from traffic light (occasionally). have to floor more accleration for the noise to go off. Have replaced transmission fuel and engine air filter but problem persist.

Could it due to gearbox issue?

How can the problem be solve? appreciate the advice from members here.



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2009 Altis giving off cranking noise while accelerating off from traffic light (occasionally). have to floor more accleration for the noise to go off. Have replaced transmission fuel and engine air filter but problem persist.

Could it due to gearbox issue?

How can the problem be solve? appreciate the advice from members here.


could be air-con belt noise

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 12:42 PM

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Following members' advice here, managed to send the car to borneo motors. Just driving and hearing the noise, the serviceman identified the problem as engine knock and there is nothing that can be done to eliminate the problem.

It seems the problem has compromise the fuel efficiency of the car.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:09 PM

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Following members' advice here, managed to send the car to borneo motors. Just driving and hearing the noise, the serviceman identified the problem as engine knock and there is nothing that can be done to eliminate the problem.

It seems the problem has compromise the fuel efficiency of the car.


I suggest you get a second opinion at a trustworthy workshop outside before deciding what to do. The serviceman's diagnosis seems a bit dodgy.

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next gen Toyota altis, shld b coming next year. but rear feel like jaguar xf and front like vios.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 07:32 PM

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next gen Toyota altis, shld b coming next year. but rear feel like jaguar xf and front like vios.

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Back quite nice

Front not nice

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Forget about day running lights feature from BM

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:45 PM

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My friend's Altis also encounter gear problem. Toyota quality has dropped.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:57 PM

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My friend's Altis also encounter gear problem. Toyota quality has dropped.


Yup, another my friend's ......... ... laugh.gif

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 10:38 PM

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warranty not 5 years since you did your servicing there ?

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Following members' advice here, managed to send the car to borneo motors. Just driving and hearing the noise, the serviceman identified the problem as engine knock and there is nothing that can be done to eliminate the problem.

It seems the problem has compromise the fuel efficiency of the car.

Not very possible it is due to engine design. Engine knock can also be caused by deposits in cylinder; fuel quality issues; spark plugs...

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:18 AM

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My friend's Altis also encounter gear problem. Toyota quality has dropped.

Maybe your friend sway or got a lemon? unsure.gif
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Back quite nice

Front not nice

Interior looks plasticky

Forget about day running lights feature from BM

Yet, many many people sure buy wan laugh.gif

Actually I think the more bulbs the more chance bulb will blow, whole row one light gone then will be really not nice already. That's why I also scare to put the aftermarket LED, one whole stretch just need 1 to go off or become less bright, then the whole look gone.

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Still no projector lamp? Vios, a lower grade toyota already on projector when I see it at BM Ubi branch.

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Still no projector lamp? Vios, a lower grade toyota already on projector when I see it at BM Ubi branch.


projector lamp better meh?

My previous car was on reflector, current on projector. I find reflector gives wider, further and hence a sense of brighter lighting overall.

Edited by Kangadrool, 16 August 2013 - 09:53 AM.


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Actually I think the more bulbs the more chance bulb will blow, whole row one light gone then will be really not nice already. That's why I also scare to put the aftermarket LED, one whole stretch just need 1 to go off or become less bright, then the whole look gone.

so its a blessing on disguise that BM's version prob comes without as it would be expensive to replace those bulbs.

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wonder why they even bother to design it....ANy design with a Toyota Altis label on it......many uncle will buy it....

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read some review from overseas, it says that next gen likely will be cvt for 1.8l n below.
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My friend's Altis also encounter gear problem. Toyota quality has dropped.

agree, my cousin also encounter this issue. but after BM settle this issue he will b looking for other brand of car.
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I think the workmanship, quality inspection standard is not so strict as Japan. Japanese takes their work very seriously and with pride. I am also driving a thailand assembled toyota, the standard of work is really shakehead.gif shakehead.gif


Thailand built Altis has the 3ZZ-FE motor which are ALL made in Japan.

The 3ZZ-FE is a 1.6 L (1598 cc) incarnation built in Japan. It is found in the Asian Toyota Corolla Altis which is available in countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand and Taiwan and in the Toyota Corolla sedan sold in Sri Lanka. In South Africa the motor can be found in the RunX 160 and Corolla 160. The entire exterior design and chassis is the same as the American Corolla. Bore is 79.0 mm and the stroke is 81.5 mm. Max. output is 109 hp (81 kW) 6000 rpm. Max. torque is 110 lb·ft (150 Nm) 3800 rpm

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My friend's Altis also encounter gear problem. Toyota quality has dropped.

Don't have to worry about Japanese car makers. They can recover very fast.
If u Conti car has encountered gear box problem. U have to standby 7K.

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projector lamp better meh?

My previous car was on reflector, current on projector. I find reflector gives wider, further and hence a sense of brighter lighting overall.

Not saying better but they do need to catch up with time. Projector gives a better cut off while reflector if not properly align, gives a damn glaring light.

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In yr 2005, i got my brand new 1.6L Thai-made Altis freshly from BM knowing that i made the best choice in getting a Toyota. After doing my 5000km free servicing in BM, i decided to go to a popular Workshop elsewhere in AMK to do the regular servicing with all receipt kept.

On the third year, i did my 80,000km servicing at my regular workshop (me watching thur' the whole servicing) and a week later, i drive up to Genting and when i reached the Genting temple (almost reaching the Hotel), my Altis came to a sudden silent stop and all i could do is to wait for help.

After going to a few Malaysia workshop and not able to diagnose what had happened to my car, my SIN regular workshop asked me towed the car to his friend workshop in KL Bangsar who has the right diagnose tool and check on my Altis. In the end, was told that the VVTI Camshaft broke and 8 of my valve was damaged......a Major overhaul will be needed to revive the car. Total spending on the repair and tow fee cause me around SGD$3K.

One week later, i collect my car and was advise from my regular workshop to report about my incident (not claiming from BM but just to report the incident as my car warranty was over 2-3 weeks ago and also knowing engine warranty is 5 yrs). When i arrived at BM, the Service advisor come to me and told me off that they only see my 5000km service record and no other servicing was done after that in BM. I showed the SE that i have my receipt and report of my regular workshop but was declined that outside workshop only change your EO and Sparkplug...they are not able to dianose your car if really have problem....i was speechless at that very moment since knowing that this will void the warranty,

The best part of the conversation is when the SE saw my damage VVTI cam shaft, he directly told me that if i wanna report, they have to check the engine and its required to open up the engine with a fee of SGD$3K not including of replacing any other parts in the event of the investigation. As for filing the damage part, i have to bear for the flight charge and service charge (Either thai or Jap) and its not worth it at all since they will definitely conclude that my servicing is not done properly throughout the whole 3yrs duration causing such damage.

Since i'm not claiming anything from BM and just making a report but was badly declined by the SE and keep pushing me off, i directly told the SE that this will be "My first and last Toyota in my life". Suck big time!!! Really at a lost not knowing what car to buy since Toyota that was very well known to be reliable failed on me!!!

1 week later, i just sold off my car (half the total price lost) and replace with a Subaru Forester.
Till now, Subaru has never failed me and the car stability and performance is far more better than my previous sickening Tom-yam ride!
Come to think of it, if my Tom-yam ride never fails, i would not have the couraged to step up and purchase a Subaru which never ever come across my mind on my first car purchase.

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In yr 2005, i got my brand new 1.6L Thai-made Altis freshly from BM knowing that i made the best choice in getting a Toyota. After doing my 5000km free servicing in BM, i decided to go to a popular Workshop elsewhere in AMK to do the regular servicing with all receipt kept.

On the third year, i did my 80,000km servicing at my regular workshop (me watching thur' the whole servicing) and a week later, i drive up to Genting and when i reached the Genting temple (almost reaching the Hotel), my Altis came to a sudden silent stop and all i could do is to wait for help.

After going to a few Malaysia workshop and not able to diagnose what had happened to my car, my SIN regular workshop asked me towed the car to his friend workshop in KL Bangsar who has the right diagnose tool and check on my Altis. In the end, was told that the VVTI Camshaft broke and 8 of my valve was damaged......a Major overhaul will be needed to revive the car. Total spending on the repair and tow fee cause me around SGD$3K.

One week later, i collect my car and was advise from my regular workshop to report about my incident (not claiming from BM but just to report the incident as my car warranty was over 2-3 weeks ago and also knowing engine warranty is 5 yrs). When i arrived at BM, the Service advisor come to me and told me off that they only see my 5000km service record and no other servicing was done after that in BM. I showed the SE that i have my receipt and report of my regular workshop but was declined that outside workshop only change your EO and Sparkplug...they are not able to dianose your car if really have problem....i was speechless at that very moment since knowing that this will void the warranty,

The best part of the conversation is when the SE saw my damage VVTI cam shaft, he directly told me that if i wanna report, they have to check the engine and its required to open up the engine with a fee of SGD$3K not including of replacing any other parts in the event of the investigation. As for filing the damage part, i have to bear for the flight charge and service charge (Either thai or Jap) and its not worth it at all since they will definitely conclude that my servicing is not done properly throughout the whole 3yrs duration causing such damage.

Since i'm not claiming anything from BM and just making a report but was badly declined by the SE and keep pushing me off, i directly told the SE that this will be "My first and last Toyota in my life". Suck big time!!! Really at a lost not knowing what car to buy since Toyota that was very well known to be reliable failed on me!!!

1 week later, i just sold off my car (half the total price lost) and replace with a Subaru Forester.
Till now, Subaru has never failed me and the car stability and performance is far more better than my previous sickening Tom-yam ride!
Come to think of it, if my Tom-yam ride never fails, i would not have the couraged to step up and purchase a Subaru which never ever come across my mind on my first car purchase.

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Well said...though I do feel for you (either you are one of the unlucky ones to encounter such a serious problem OR Toyota's standards have dropped significantly).
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Back quite nice

Front not nice

Interior looks plasticky

Forget about day running lights feature from BM

Yet, many many people sure buy wan laugh.gif


The front looks like a mixture between the new Vios and Auris.

I am sure it will be a seller here in Singapore when it's launched. laugh.gif

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In yr 2005, i got my brand new 1.6L Thai-made Altis freshly from BM knowing that i made the best choice in getting a Toyota. After doing my 5000km free servicing in BM, i decided to go to a popular Workshop elsewhere in AMK to do the regular servicing with all receipt kept.

On the third year, i did my 80,000km servicing at my regular workshop (me watching thur' the whole servicing) and a week later, i drive up to Genting and when i reached the Genting temple (almost reaching the Hotel), my Altis came to a sudden silent stop and all i could do is to wait for help.

After going to a few Malaysia workshop and not able to diagnose what had happened to my car, my SIN regular workshop asked me towed the car to his friend workshop in KL Bangsar who has the right diagnose tool and check on my Altis. In the end, was told that the VVTI Camshaft broke and 8 of my valve was damaged......a Major overhaul will be needed to revive the car. Total spending on the repair and tow fee cause me around SGD$3K.

One week later, i collect my car and was advise from my regular workshop to report about my incident (not claiming from BM but just to report the incident as my car warranty was over 2-3 weeks ago and also knowing engine warranty is 5 yrs). When i arrived at BM, the Service advisor come to me and told me off that they only see my 5000km service record and no other servicing was done after that in BM. I showed the SE that i have my receipt and report of my regular workshop but was declined that outside workshop only change your EO and Sparkplug...they are not able to dianose your car if really have problem....i was speechless at that very moment since knowing that this will void the warranty,

The best part of the conversation is when the SE saw my damage VVTI cam shaft, he directly told me that if i wanna report, they have to check the engine and its required to open up the engine with a fee of SGD$3K not including of replacing any other parts in the event of the investigation. As for filing the damage part, i have to bear for the flight charge and service charge (Either thai or Jap) and its not worth it at all since they will definitely conclude that my servicing is not done properly throughout the whole 3yrs duration causing such damage.

Since i'm not claiming anything from BM and just making a report but was badly declined by the SE and keep pushing me off, i directly told the SE that this will be "My first and last Toyota in my life". Suck big time!!! Really at a lost not knowing what car to buy since Toyota that was very well known to be reliable failed on me!!!

1 week later, i just sold off my car (half the total price lost) and replace with a Subaru Forester.
Till now, Subaru has never failed me and the car stability and performance is far more better than my previous sickening Tom-yam ride!
Come to think of it, if my Tom-yam ride never fails, i would not have the couraged to step up and purchase a Subaru which never ever come across my mind on my first car purchase.

"The true genuine experience of a Tomyam Toyota ex-owner"



Thanks for sharing!

I really feel Thai made Toyotas are sickening.

Reduce cost for themselves only.

I stick to Honda and mazda

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Nowadays, Honda gearbox also having issue. My friend Odyssey and Stream both encountered gearbox problem. Saw couple of time Honda stream broke down at highway.......cost cutting measure from reputable jap car company really tarnish their long built reputation.

For my Subaru, it is also not perfect as it also has its own small issue but not to the extend of doing overhaul within 3 yrs. laugh.gif
Owning my Forester for 5yrs, i can also see O2 sensor, secondary air pump having intermittent issue and replacing this stupid sensor or air pump need to pocket few hundred dollars. Hope this car can survive for another 5 yrs since the new CM really stopped many average income sillyporean from changing car.

Definitely, no more Toyota for me as i have enough of it especially those "Made by Toyota" Tom-yam ride (hmmm, Thailand is not famous in making car but i do know they are famous and good in other stuff..heheheee biggrin.gif ) as well as their finger licking good aka fantastic local Agent-Bodoh motor ....... blush.gif

Edited by Lemonade78, 17 August 2013 - 11:56 AM.

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If only your car continue to be serviced by BM, they will replace parts foc ... sleep.gif

Every AD are the same, continue servicing & maintain by them, they will honour the 5 yrs warranty. The moment one service outside, they boh chap leow... sad.gif

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