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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:43 PM

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My friend's Altis also encounter gear problem. Toyota quality has dropped.

agree, my cousin also encounter this issue. but after BM settle this issue he will b looking for other brand of car.
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:00 PM

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I think the workmanship, quality inspection standard is not so strict as Japan. Japanese takes their work very seriously and with pride. I am also driving a thailand assembled toyota, the standard of work is really shakehead.gif shakehead.gif


Thailand built Altis has the 3ZZ-FE motor which are ALL made in Japan.

The 3ZZ-FE is a 1.6 L (1598 cc) incarnation built in Japan. It is found in the Asian Toyota Corolla Altis which is available in countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand and Taiwan and in the Toyota Corolla sedan sold in Sri Lanka. In South Africa the motor can be found in the RunX 160 and Corolla 160. The entire exterior design and chassis is the same as the American Corolla. Bore is 79.0 mm and the stroke is 81.5 mm. Max. output is 109 hp (81 kW) 6000 rpm. Max. torque is 110 lb·ft (150 Nm) 3800 rpm

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:29 PM

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My friend's Altis also encounter gear problem. Toyota quality has dropped.

Don't have to worry about Japanese car makers. They can recover very fast.
If u Conti car has encountered gear box problem. U have to standby 7K.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:05 AM

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projector lamp better meh?

My previous car was on reflector, current on projector. I find reflector gives wider, further and hence a sense of brighter lighting overall.

Not saying better but they do need to catch up with time. Projector gives a better cut off while reflector if not properly align, gives a damn glaring light.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:53 AM

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In yr 2005, i got my brand new 1.6L Thai-made Altis freshly from BM knowing that i made the best choice in getting a Toyota. After doing my 5000km free servicing in BM, i decided to go to a popular Workshop elsewhere in AMK to do the regular servicing with all receipt kept.

On the third year, i did my 80,000km servicing at my regular workshop (me watching thur' the whole servicing) and a week later, i drive up to Genting and when i reached the Genting temple (almost reaching the Hotel), my Altis came to a sudden silent stop and all i could do is to wait for help.

After going to a few Malaysia workshop and not able to diagnose what had happened to my car, my SIN regular workshop asked me towed the car to his friend workshop in KL Bangsar who has the right diagnose tool and check on my Altis. In the end, was told that the VVTI Camshaft broke and 8 of my valve was damaged......a Major overhaul will be needed to revive the car. Total spending on the repair and tow fee cause me around SGD$3K.

One week later, i collect my car and was advise from my regular workshop to report about my incident (not claiming from BM but just to report the incident as my car warranty was over 2-3 weeks ago and also knowing engine warranty is 5 yrs). When i arrived at BM, the Service advisor come to me and told me off that they only see my 5000km service record and no other servicing was done after that in BM. I showed the SE that i have my receipt and report of my regular workshop but was declined that outside workshop only change your EO and Sparkplug...they are not able to dianose your car if really have problem....i was speechless at that very moment since knowing that this will void the warranty,

The best part of the conversation is when the SE saw my damage VVTI cam shaft, he directly told me that if i wanna report, they have to check the engine and its required to open up the engine with a fee of SGD$3K not including of replacing any other parts in the event of the investigation. As for filing the damage part, i have to bear for the flight charge and service charge (Either thai or Jap) and its not worth it at all since they will definitely conclude that my servicing is not done properly throughout the whole 3yrs duration causing such damage.

Since i'm not claiming anything from BM and just making a report but was badly declined by the SE and keep pushing me off, i directly told the SE that this will be "My first and last Toyota in my life". Suck big time!!! Really at a lost not knowing what car to buy since Toyota that was very well known to be reliable failed on me!!!

1 week later, i just sold off my car (half the total price lost) and replace with a Subaru Forester.
Till now, Subaru has never failed me and the car stability and performance is far more better than my previous sickening Tom-yam ride!
Come to think of it, if my Tom-yam ride never fails, i would not have the couraged to step up and purchase a Subaru which never ever come across my mind on my first car purchase.

"The true genuine experience of a Tomyam Toyota ex-owner"






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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:03 AM

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In yr 2005, i got my brand new 1.6L Thai-made Altis freshly from BM knowing that i made the best choice in getting a Toyota. After doing my 5000km free servicing in BM, i decided to go to a popular Workshop elsewhere in AMK to do the regular servicing with all receipt kept.

On the third year, i did my 80,000km servicing at my regular workshop (me watching thur' the whole servicing) and a week later, i drive up to Genting and when i reached the Genting temple (almost reaching the Hotel), my Altis came to a sudden silent stop and all i could do is to wait for help.

After going to a few Malaysia workshop and not able to diagnose what had happened to my car, my SIN regular workshop asked me towed the car to his friend workshop in KL Bangsar who has the right diagnose tool and check on my Altis. In the end, was told that the VVTI Camshaft broke and 8 of my valve was damaged......a Major overhaul will be needed to revive the car. Total spending on the repair and tow fee cause me around SGD$3K.

One week later, i collect my car and was advise from my regular workshop to report about my incident (not claiming from BM but just to report the incident as my car warranty was over 2-3 weeks ago and also knowing engine warranty is 5 yrs). When i arrived at BM, the Service advisor come to me and told me off that they only see my 5000km service record and no other servicing was done after that in BM. I showed the SE that i have my receipt and report of my regular workshop but was declined that outside workshop only change your EO and Sparkplug...they are not able to dianose your car if really have problem....i was speechless at that very moment since knowing that this will void the warranty,

The best part of the conversation is when the SE saw my damage VVTI cam shaft, he directly told me that if i wanna report, they have to check the engine and its required to open up the engine with a fee of SGD$3K not including of replacing any other parts in the event of the investigation. As for filing the damage part, i have to bear for the flight charge and service charge (Either thai or Jap) and its not worth it at all since they will definitely conclude that my servicing is not done properly throughout the whole 3yrs duration causing such damage.

Since i'm not claiming anything from BM and just making a report but was badly declined by the SE and keep pushing me off, i directly told the SE that this will be "My first and last Toyota in my life". Suck big time!!! Really at a lost not knowing what car to buy since Toyota that was very well known to be reliable failed on me!!!

1 week later, i just sold off my car (half the total price lost) and replace with a Subaru Forester.
Till now, Subaru has never failed me and the car stability and performance is far more better than my previous sickening Tom-yam ride!
Come to think of it, if my Tom-yam ride never fails, i would not have the couraged to step up and purchase a Subaru which never ever come across my mind on my first car purchase.

"The true genuine experience of a Tomyam Toyota ex-owner"


Well said...though I do feel for you (either you are one of the unlucky ones to encounter such a serious problem OR Toyota's standards have dropped significantly).
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:06 AM

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Back quite nice

Front not nice

Interior looks plasticky

Forget about day running lights feature from BM

Yet, many many people sure buy wan laugh.gif


The front looks like a mixture between the new Vios and Auris.

I am sure it will be a seller here in Singapore when it's launched. laugh.gif

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:28 AM

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In yr 2005, i got my brand new 1.6L Thai-made Altis freshly from BM knowing that i made the best choice in getting a Toyota. After doing my 5000km free servicing in BM, i decided to go to a popular Workshop elsewhere in AMK to do the regular servicing with all receipt kept.

On the third year, i did my 80,000km servicing at my regular workshop (me watching thur' the whole servicing) and a week later, i drive up to Genting and when i reached the Genting temple (almost reaching the Hotel), my Altis came to a sudden silent stop and all i could do is to wait for help.

After going to a few Malaysia workshop and not able to diagnose what had happened to my car, my SIN regular workshop asked me towed the car to his friend workshop in KL Bangsar who has the right diagnose tool and check on my Altis. In the end, was told that the VVTI Camshaft broke and 8 of my valve was damaged......a Major overhaul will be needed to revive the car. Total spending on the repair and tow fee cause me around SGD$3K.

One week later, i collect my car and was advise from my regular workshop to report about my incident (not claiming from BM but just to report the incident as my car warranty was over 2-3 weeks ago and also knowing engine warranty is 5 yrs). When i arrived at BM, the Service advisor come to me and told me off that they only see my 5000km service record and no other servicing was done after that in BM. I showed the SE that i have my receipt and report of my regular workshop but was declined that outside workshop only change your EO and Sparkplug...they are not able to dianose your car if really have problem....i was speechless at that very moment since knowing that this will void the warranty,

The best part of the conversation is when the SE saw my damage VVTI cam shaft, he directly told me that if i wanna report, they have to check the engine and its required to open up the engine with a fee of SGD$3K not including of replacing any other parts in the event of the investigation. As for filing the damage part, i have to bear for the flight charge and service charge (Either thai or Jap) and its not worth it at all since they will definitely conclude that my servicing is not done properly throughout the whole 3yrs duration causing such damage.

Since i'm not claiming anything from BM and just making a report but was badly declined by the SE and keep pushing me off, i directly told the SE that this will be "My first and last Toyota in my life". Suck big time!!! Really at a lost not knowing what car to buy since Toyota that was very well known to be reliable failed on me!!!

1 week later, i just sold off my car (half the total price lost) and replace with a Subaru Forester.
Till now, Subaru has never failed me and the car stability and performance is far more better than my previous sickening Tom-yam ride!
Come to think of it, if my Tom-yam ride never fails, i would not have the couraged to step up and purchase a Subaru which never ever come across my mind on my first car purchase.

"The true genuine experience of a Tomyam Toyota ex-owner"



Thanks for sharing!

I really feel Thai made Toyotas are sickening.

Reduce cost for themselves only.

I stick to Honda and mazda

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:52 AM

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Nowadays, Honda gearbox also having issue. My friend Odyssey and Stream both encountered gearbox problem. Saw couple of time Honda stream broke down at highway.......cost cutting measure from reputable jap car company really tarnish their long built reputation.

For my Subaru, it is also not perfect as it also has its own small issue but not to the extend of doing overhaul within 3 yrs. laugh.gif
Owning my Forester for 5yrs, i can also see O2 sensor, secondary air pump having intermittent issue and replacing this stupid sensor or air pump need to pocket few hundred dollars. Hope this car can survive for another 5 yrs since the new CM really stopped many average income sillyporean from changing car.

Definitely, no more Toyota for me as i have enough of it especially those "Made by Toyota" Tom-yam ride (hmmm, Thailand is not famous in making car but i do know they are famous and good in other stuff..heheheee biggrin.gif ) as well as their finger licking good aka fantastic local Agent-Bodoh motor ....... blush.gif

Edited by Lemonade78, 17 August 2013 - 11:56 AM.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:53 AM

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If only your car continue to be serviced by BM, they will replace parts foc ... sleep.gif

Every AD are the same, continue servicing & maintain by them, they will honour the 5 yrs warranty. The moment one service outside, they boh chap leow... sad.gif

My Picnic service by them since day 1 and although a bit expensive, I found it worth it. Ever once, 3 months after servicing, engine doesn't sound right and return to them. They gave a complete check foc... smile.gif

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:01 PM

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If only your car continue to be serviced by BM, they will replace parts foc ... sleep.gif

Every AD are the same, continue servicing & maintain by them, they will honour the 5 yrs warranty. The moment one service outside, they boh chap leow... sad.gif

My Picnic service by them since day 1 and although a bit expensive, I found it worth it. Ever once, 3 months after servicing, engine doesn't sound right and return to them. They gave a complete check foc... smile.gif


Yah, its my fault and never know Toyota is really that weak/lemon and need to be only service by BM and no other outside workshop. Just treat it as a lesson learnt and move on.

Just my luck, 1st week received car, observed suspension leaking issue and replace FOC....1 month later, found front disc wrapped...did a FOC skimming and no replace.........did my 80,000 servicing and 1 week later, silent dead and worst part....dead in Malaysia Genting!!! sad.gif Hiazzzzz

Edited by Lemonade78, 17 August 2013 - 12:04 PM.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:13 PM

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Yah, its my fault and never know Toyota is really that weak/lemon and need to be only service by BM and no other outside workshop. Just treat it as a lesson learnt and move on.

Just my luck, 1st week received car, observed suspension leaking issue and replace FOC....1 month later, found front disc wrapped...did a FOC skimming and no replace.........did my 80,000 servicing and 1 week later, silent dead and worst part....dead in Malaysia Genting!!! sad.gif Hiazzzzz



Your nick says it all.... laugh.gif

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:38 PM

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Your nick says it all.... laugh.gif


Wahahahaha....Name it after this Tom-yam sick chicken
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 08:30 PM

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My friend's Altis also encounter gear problem. Toyota quality has dropped.


My dad's 1-year-old Altis also encounter gearbox problem. BM may not be able to give 5-year warranty anymore or they may have to increase their margin (car prices) in order to continue giving the 5-year warrant for their new cars.



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My dad's 1-year-old Altis also encounter gearbox problem. BM may not be able to give 5-year warranty anymore or they may have to increase their margin (car prices) in order to continue giving the 5-year warrant for their new cars.

Does it work this way? Toyota Japan won't compensate BM? It is some production issue right?

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Does it work this way? Toyota Japan won't compensate BM? It is some production issue right?


Of course Toyota Japan won't compensate BM, that's why BM have to increase their own margin, selling price here is determined by BM not Toyota Japan. I believe the 5-year warrant is also not given by Toyota Japan but by the local agent, BM.




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Of course Toyota Japan won't compensate BM, that's why BM have to increase their own margin, selling price here is determined by BM not Toyota Japan. I believe the 5-year warrant is also not given by Toyota Japan but by the local agent, BM.


depends.....

I reckon in most cases AD can claim back from the manufacturer unless it's under extended warranty whereby AD assumed the risks.

Few ADs even generously replaced "wear and tear" parts before your warranty expires (IF you maintain all your servicing there) since they can claim back from manufacturer and also to clear some of their spares inventory.

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depends.....

I reckon in most cases AD can claim back from the manufacturer unless it's under extended warranty whereby AD assumed the risks.

Few ADs even generously replaced "wear and tear" parts before your warranty expires (IF you maintain all your servicing there) since they can claim back from manufacturer and also to clear some of their spares inventory.

something like.......
if one buys a computer product from sim lim and it has problems, the retailer will ask u to go to the agent. Meaning retailer won't have to faint each time a customer comes back with a defective product.

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Most of the time when I saw a car breakdown on road or highway, its usually a toyota. And I wonder why till now still so many ppl willing to pay extra to a thai made toyota??

Guess it because a cult liao

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Most of the time when I saw a car breakdown on road or highway, its usually a toyota. And I wonder why till now still so many ppl willing to pay extra to a thai made toyota??

Guess it because a cult liao

 

I've been driving 38 years on the road unfortuneately I didn't see much toyota car broken down leh.  I have seen  quite a number of conti cars, Korean cars and mini vans.

 

So far I've droven 3 toyota cars, the last 2 cars all the way up to 10 years until scraped have no any major problems except changes of suspension and aircon fan coil.

 

My 1st toyota camry come to almost 3 years warranty expired, BM offerred to change the suspension FOC and then when reaching the 7th years I changed the suspension again until scraped.

 

My 2nd toyota altis 1.8L also changed suspension once in the 5th years and changed air-con fan coil and alternator in the 7th years until scraped.

 

Now my 3rd Altis is keeping my finger cross and hope nothing major happen :)

 

I think is all depend on luck.  For example, long time ago, I own a Sharp VCR that last me for 6 years without any problem. Then I bought a new Sharp VCR again but this time less than 6 months the recorder head gave problem and need to replace a new head, luckily still under warranty.  But after slighly more than 1 years the head gave problem again.  Then I decided not to use VCR and change to VCD Recorder.

 

Just my opinion :)




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