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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:42 AM

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Fandi Ahmadís footballing sons are wanted ó in a big way. But perhaps, the much larger issue of whether they will want to don Singapore colours in time to come remains unclear.

The New Paper reports that after dazzling their opponents and scouts alike during an age-group tournament in England, Fandiís sons, Irfan and Ikhsan, 13 and 11 respectively, are being courted by English Premier League giants such as Arsenal and Chelsea.

The two boys, both forwards, reportedly made a huge impression while playing for Arsenal Soccer School Indonesia during the International Soccer Festival taking place in Surrey.

Fandi told TNP: ďSo far, they played only one game. The team was so-so but as individuals, the boys were outstanding. Arsenal scouts offered a trial.Ē

Fandi said Chelsea and Reading scouts were also interested.

Both boys, who were previously on trial with AC Milan and Valencia, cannot sign schoolboy forms ó the first step towards becoming a professional footballer in England ó until they turn 14.

Dale Mulholland, director of coaching for SSI Arsenal, who has been coaching the boys for four years, told the same paper: ďIkhsanís fast and swift Ė heís magical. He had the English boys in the palm of his hand.Ē

But while it seems only a matter of time before Fandiís boys sign on as football apprentices (Arsenal reportedly have first right of refusal), the larger question ó if they do turn professional Ė is which country they would choose to play for?

While Singapore would be the obvious option, the boysí mother, Wendy Jacobs, is from South Africa, making them available to play for the recent 2010 World Cup hosts when the time comes.

Speaking to The New Paper from London, Fandi, 48, said as much.

ďWell, I donít know, really,Ē he said. ďRight now, itís a bit too far to think about that.Ē

The former Lions skipper explains that National Service ó the mandatory 24-month national service period that all Singaporean males must serve ó is a major issue.

ďNS is a problem, although I donít want to say too much because it is a sensitive issue. When I was 16, Ajax offered to sign me but I had to tell them to wait two years (for me to complete my NS).Ē

Former Singapore star R. Sasikumar, the boysí manager, elaborated: ďYou wonít be at the top of your game during that two years of your life in NS. At that age in football, you have to be in Europe.Ē

The other obvious question is Ė would the boys even want to play for Singapore? Realistically speaking, the national careers of both players would better be fulfilled if they were to represent South Africa, who despite failing to reach the second round of the recent World Cup, made a decent impression on the world stage.

To complicate matters, the Jakarta-based Fandi is also in talks with his former Dutch side, FC Groningen, about a coaching position.

As such, should Fandi be offered the job, itís possible that Irfan and Ikhsan will join the youth academy that groomed the talents of superstars like Arjen Robben and Ronald Koeman.

Perhaps the only consolation is that Fandi ó Singaporeís favourite footballing son ó and his sons have plenty of time before making their big decision on whether they should play for the Lions.

But would you forgive him and his sons if they didnít?
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:45 AM

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i wanted to start a thread on this with poll...

see who will give up citizenship for future of their sons...
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:48 AM

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I really wish the boys success in going toward their professional career, as a footballer.

We all know that there are many more other 'wonder kids' who failed to make it so it is really laughable to think which country they will play for at such early stage.

In today's context, I think the most important loyalty is to the people that pays the bacon, the football club.

Can always come back as a born in Singapore FT and I am sure we will still welcome them back with open arms, at least they skip the NS part.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:52 AM

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i wanted to start a thread on this with poll...

see who will give up citizenship for future of their sons...


I will do it without hesitation.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:56 AM

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Fandi has already done enough for SG. He should just do what is best for his children and family.

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:58 AM

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No offence though....

For soccer .....

Its best to give up SG citizenship...

Becos the standard of SG soccer is too low...

Furthermore, if one wants to go overseas club say like Europe, the Country's ranking would need to take into considerations...

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:58 AM

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I will do it without hesitation.



Think the days of selfless behavior is indeed over....pretty sad.....one should take care of his ar$e first before anything else......

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:59 AM

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I will do it without hesitation.


i wun dare say i will do it without hesitation.... but i will give it serious consideration...

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:00 AM

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i wun dare say i will do it without hesitation.... but i will give it serious consideration...



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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:02 AM

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sad lah...
i tot his sons will go on to break their dad's all-time national goalscoring record for singapore

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:06 AM

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Think the days of selfless behavior is indeed over....pretty sad.....one should take care of his ar$e first before anything else......

It has come to a point that 'only the fittest survives' thus, make hay while the sun shines


And most of these clubs only give the "once in a lifetime" opportunities. Think it is a good time for them to reflect and make the right decision.

Yah I agree. Only the fittest survives.....
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:07 AM

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And most of these clubs only give the "once in a lifetime" opportunities. Think it is a good time for them to reflect and make the right decision.

Yah I agree. Only the fittest survives.....



Sadly.....we are still in the rung of 'dog eat dog''....we will soon be eradicated bigcry.gif bigcry.gif bigcry.gif
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:10 AM

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Think the days of selfless behavior is indeed over....pretty sad.....one should take care of his ar$e first before anything else......

It has come to a point that 'only the fittest survives' thus, make hay while the sun shines


Don't blame the player, blame the game. This is the environment we are dealing with in this country. Anyway, who cares about Fandi's sons? Our sports FT scheme can replace them with players 10x better

Pardon the sarcasm.

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:12 AM

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Don't blame the player, blame the game. This is the environment we are dealing with in this country. Anyway, who cares about Fandi's sons? Our sports FT scheme can replace them with players 10x better

Pardon the sarcasm.


And sadly after they completed their national service.....

FT no need to do NS mah.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:13 AM

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And most of these clubs only give the "once in a lifetime" opportunities. Think it is a good time for them to reflect and make the right decision.

Yah I agree. Only the fittest survives.....


their main problem is NS..... which is the most impt part of their career.. that is the reason they may have to give up citizenship... fandi made the wrong choice once.. he wun want his sons to follow in his footsteps
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:13 AM

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Sadly.....we are still in the rung of 'dog eat dog''....we will soon be eradicated bigcry.gif bigcry.gif bigcry.gif


Anyway, we got a bear here. Bear bigger than dog. So dog cannot eat bear and thus cannot eat us. laugh.gif
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:17 AM

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what is there to forgive?

one parent is S'porean, the other is S. African. either one they choose is correct.

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:19 AM

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It's time to review the current Enlistment Act..We could follow Taiwan like there's overseas Chinese whereby they still retain citizenship but don't have voting rights and some rights (or benefits) as compared to the one that serve full time NS.

In Taiwan it's works bcos I assume that the benefits to be a citizen is better and thus ppl still willing to serve.

Over in Sg....I guess 50% will be overseas Singaporean as what's the diff between PR and citizen and also when voting...that GRC thingy is crap...

So...ya...for Fandi...hard decision to make...

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:21 AM

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they can choose SA or Sg

if Sg they need to do NS which hinder the path..

if not..SA okay de ma

Fandi no nid to change citizenship at all

anyway once in a lifetime leh..EPL clubs u know?no sleague clubs..i will support all way if its my kids laugh.gif

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:29 AM

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Fandi Ahmadís footballing sons are wanted ó in a big way. But perhaps, the much larger issue of whether they will want to don Singapore colours in time to come remains unclear.

The New Paper reports that after dazzling their opponents and scouts alike during an age-group tournament in England, Fandiís sons, Irfan and Ikhsan, 13 and 11 respectively, are being courted by English Premier League giants such as Arsenal and Chelsea.

The two boys, both forwards, reportedly made a huge impression while playing for Arsenal Soccer School Indonesia during the International Soccer Festival taking place in Surrey.

Fandi told TNP: ďSo far, they played only one game. The team was so-so but as individuals, the boys were outstanding. Arsenal scouts offered a trial.Ē

Fandi said Chelsea and Reading scouts were also interested.

Both boys, who were previously on trial with AC Milan and Valencia, cannot sign schoolboy forms ó the first step towards becoming a professional footballer in England ó until they turn 14.

Dale Mulholland, director of coaching for SSI Arsenal, who has been coaching the boys for four years, told the same paper: ďIkhsanís fast and swift Ė heís magical. He had the English boys in the palm of his hand.Ē

But while it seems only a matter of time before Fandiís boys sign on as football apprentices (Arsenal reportedly have first right of refusal), the larger question ó if they do turn professional Ė is which country they would choose to play for?

While Singapore would be the obvious option, the boysí mother, Wendy Jacobs, is from South Africa, making them available to play for the recent 2010 World Cup hosts when the time comes.

Speaking to The New Paper from London, Fandi, 48, said as much.

ďWell, I donít know, really,Ē he said. ďRight now, itís a bit too far to think about that.Ē

The former Lions skipper explains that National Service ó the mandatory 24-month national service period that all Singaporean males must serve ó is a major issue.

ďNS is a problem, although I donít want to say too much because it is a sensitive issue. When I was 16, Ajax offered to sign me but I had to tell them to wait two years (for me to complete my NS).Ē

Former Singapore star R. Sasikumar, the boysí manager, elaborated: ďYou wonít be at the top of your game during that two years of your life in NS. At that age in football, you have to be in Europe.Ē

The other obvious question is Ė would the boys even want to play for Singapore? Realistically speaking, the national careers of both players would better be fulfilled if they were to represent South Africa, who despite failing to reach the second round of the recent World Cup, made a decent impression on the world stage.

To complicate matters, the Jakarta-based Fandi is also in talks with his former Dutch side, FC Groningen, about a coaching position.

As such, should Fandi be offered the job, itís possible that Irfan and Ikhsan will join the youth academy that groomed the talents of superstars like Arjen Robben and Ronald Koeman.

Perhaps the only consolation is that Fandi ó Singaporeís favourite footballing son ó and his sons have plenty of time before making their big decision on whether they should play for the Lions.

But would you forgive him and his sons if they didnít?


I think for Fandi, it is a thing about once bitten twice shy. He sarcificied his footballing career for Singapore and ended up neither here nor there now. He is thinking in the best interest of his kids, and correctly how should the kids have a football career when they have to serve 2 years of NS, when it is considered part of their football age.

No clubs will allow this... Ironically, I still think if NS is still a must in future for Singaporean males, then I guess they should still serve IF they are Singaporeans...
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