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Posted 26 November 2011 - 10:30 AM

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What about our neighbourhood's 4D/Toto shops? They do not even have a $10 or $1 entry deterrence.

What are they going to do about these outlets mushrooming everywhere, with thousands of housewives, retirees and average Joes all flocking to them without fail on daily basis?

How much $$$ are these folks pumping in on a regularly basis?

Many of them do not know they have contributed generously to the building of the Esplanade.

This MG merely TCSS only.

See if he and his ministry can tackle this more pressing menace.

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Tighter advertising & promotions guidelines for casinos
By Imelda Saad | Posted: 25 November 2011 1800 hrs

SINGAPORE : Singapore authorities have tightened advertising and promotions guidelines for the country's two casinos to ensure that they do not target the domestic market.

With immediate effect, the scope of the Casino Control (Advertising) Regulations will be expanded to cover promotions.

These refer to membership drives, rewards and loyalty programmes, as well as lucky draws and contests.

Previously, these were not covered under the law.

Three specific incidents prompted authorities to act.

These were: when Resorts World Sentosa provided free shuttle bus services from the heartlands to its casino; when the same operator promoted its Genting Rewards programme at heartland shopping malls and at the Seventh Month Hungry Ghost Festival events; and when Marina Bay Sands started publicising casino winnings on its website.

All such activities have since stopped, but they were sufficient grounds for the authorities to act.

Acting Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports, Chan Chun Sing, said: "It was very clear that when the casinos were given the licence to operate down here, it was a balance between economic needs and at the same time the social needs.

"The casinos can do whatever they want to promote their growth, but one of the things that we say is that you must never, never target the local population when it comes to promoting the growth. If you want to attract more tourists, we are okay with that. That is part of your job to do that.

"So we will not preclude your growth if you continue to attract foreign tourists but we will not allow them to target the local market in order to expand their growth."

Resorts World Sentosa and Marina Bay Sands will now have to seek prior approval from the Community Development, Youth and Sports Ministry for all casino advertising and promotions.

These include interviews and media releases, as well as community sponsorship.

Casino advertising will also now cover merchandising, such as a T-shirt with a picture of a dice, or a mug with a picture of a roulette table.

The authorities have also made clear what is termed as "domestic market". This includes not just Singapore citizens but also Permanent Residents and foreigners working and living in Singapore.

Operators who break the law will now be slapped with a fine of up to S$100,000.

Industry watchers welcomed the move, saying that any form of casino advertising does have an influence on a gambler and even a non-gambler.

Reverend Tan Lye Keng, executive director of One Hope Centre, said: "For example, people who never gamble before...they go into gambling because they think this is a means to get rich. So when they advertise....'coming to the casino or through gambling, you can experience the big win and get rich' - that will attract a lot of people to gamble, especially the young people.

"And those who gamble heavily, normally they will incur huge debts. So they think they must have a big win to solve their problem. Gamblers have this fantasy - that one day they will win big and solve their problem. So advertising, putting up winnings, big prizes, will attract them to continue gambling until they really ruin their lives."

One Hope Centre said it has noticed an increasing number of problem gamblers coming forward to seek help since the casinos began operating in Singapore.

Reverend Tan said his centre sees an average of 10 new cases each week.

Even the recent publicity surrounding a casino's dispute with a food stall owner over jackpot winnings is cause for concern.

Reverend Tan said: "A lot of the gamblers said that made a lot of people who never gamble or who are already gambling heavily think that maybe one day, their chance will come also to win that kind of money. Even if it is just normal news, people may think it is just news, but to a lot of gamblers and a lot of young people who are waiting to go to the casino, that is a big thing to them."

A survey on the gambling habits of Singaporeans will be released early next year. This will give the government a better sense of the problem of pathological gambling in Singapore.

Meanwhile, Acting MCYS Minister Chan Chun Sing said the government's next target group will be the frequent gamblers.

"Frequent gamblers are what I call the people at risk. They might not be in trouble now but if they are not careful, they may easily slip into the in-risk group of people. So we are taking a more upstream approach to handle some of these issues. Prevention is better than cure," he said.

"Looking at who are the frequent gamblers and extending help and counselling to them before they get into trouble....these are areas we are looking into."

Both casino operators said they will work with authorities to ensure compliance with the law.

"Marina Bay Sands will continue to work very closely with the authorities in Singapore to ensure compliance with the regulatory framework at all times," said a spokesperson from the integrated resort.

"As a responsible gaming operator, we respect and seek to comply with Singapore's gaming laws and regulations. We fully support the amendments and will continue to work closely with the relevant authorities in compliance with the new regulations," said Resorts World Sentosa.

Those at risk of problem gambling can call the National Council on Problem Gambling hotline at 1800 666 8668.


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 11:52 AM

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I seldom buy 4D/toto, are there many who do end up as bankrupts, neglecting his family/job/business, chased by ahlongs etc? .....

my impression is that casinos can make a person end up in these more so than 4D/toto.... just guessing ohmy.gif
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 11:54 AM

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 12:27 PM

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I seldom buy 4D/toto, are there many who do end up as bankrupts, neglecting his family/job/business, chased by ahlongs etc? .....

my impression is that casinos can make a person end up in these more so than 4D/toto.... just guessing ohmy.gif

Think, maybe, you should stand near to the cashier at any toto booths, you will see how much people are throwing it ( $ )
tp Spore Pools. They should ban all locals from betting toto/4d if they are sincere about gambling.
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 12:35 PM

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Think, maybe, you should stand near to the cashier at any toto booths, you will see how much people are throwing it ( $ )
tp Spore Pools. They should ban all locals from betting toto/4d if they are sincere about gambling.

ok, thanks for the suggestion smile.gif

Meanwhile, casions' gambling are not based purely on chances (eg the odds are stacked against their customers by design)... the systems are engineered to win ie the customers to lose? (i m not 100% sure, maybe some bros can give their views.) 4D/Tota are different in this regard.


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 12:37 PM

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 12:41 PM

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4d difficult to control lah....remember the days b4 they were legalise, it just take a phone call to buy your numbers. No need to even line up. Somemore can buy numbers on credit.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 12:43 PM

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ok, thanks for the suggestion smile.gif

Meanwhile, casions' gambling are not based purely on chances (eg the odds are stacked against their customers by design)... the systems are engineered to win ie the customers to lose? (i m not 100% sure, maybe some bros can give their views.) 4D/Tota are different in this regard.

Casionos gambling, if according to the Gambling laws, there will be house advantage. For e.g. those slots machine, if according,
to gambling rules, their payout will 98%. Only 2 % takings for the house. Other games have different house advantage.
For TOTO it is a big difference because the odds are millions to 1 chance of winning (SG pools lol all the way to the bank ).
Now which should stop locals from gambling. ( If they take away the $ 100 away, I will there every day ) biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 12:51 PM

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1 is Garment collect taxes, the other 1 is Garment collect all the bets.......you think Garment so c2pid meh? Last time only 1st Wed of the month got 4D 'cos Big Sweep, then change to every week Wed got. Don't be surprised they'll introduce something on Tue & Fri which got nothing yet other than soccer at times..... lipsrsealed.gif
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 02:01 PM

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I seldom buy 4D/toto, are there many who do end up as bankrupts, neglecting his family/job/business, chased by ahlongs etc? .....

my impression is that casinos can make a person end up in these more so than 4D/toto.... just guessing ohmy.gif


One is a big Tyranosauraus Rex while the other a puny leech.

One kills instantly while the other sucking the victim's blood slowly while secreting anti-coagulants & also passing on deadly diseases/bacteria to the host.

To me they are both equally deadly.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 02:02 PM

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4D has quota tongue.gif

TOTO has numbers quota laugh.gif


Slow poison bro...

It will not kill instantly but overtime, the losses could be substantial...
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 02:07 PM

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Think, maybe, you should stand near to the cashier at any toto booths, you will see how much people are throwing it ( $ )
tp Spore Pools. They should ban all locals from betting toto/4d if they are sincere about gambling.


Like smoking, it is difficult to ban once you have them.

What they can do is to control these outlets.

And them being in HDB heartlands is certainly unwise.

They are machiam like the opium menace which once caused great harm to many of our ancestors.
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 02:22 PM

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Like someone had mentioned b4,if a lady wear a short skirt,or bikini,muz u go and touch?
Shld we call for ban for skirts or sexy dresses?
Nobody force u to gamble.A person who bet till bankrupt for 4d or toto,he deserves it.That's pure stupid,period.



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Posted 26 November 2011 - 02:35 PM

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Same as the smoking ban....
It's too much. Where else can smokers smoke in future?


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Same as the smoking ban....
It's too much. Where else can smokers smoke in future?



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in your own house....... in the middle of the road under the sun.......

they will intro smoke-sensor-ERP in open space:- the system will detect you smoking and spray permanent hair dye on your head.... no charge, but you end up have to pay for haircut biggrin.gif
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yes.. my relatives (ie. aunties) are victims.. they spend hundreds on bets.. u can see the stacks of bet slips they have purchased.. sweatdrop.gif
talk to them will kenna scolding.. later they lose (which is usually the case), they accuse that the advice cause them suay wacko.gif
i diam diam now, and try to avoid my mom going near them whenever possible.. they are bad influences

for me, i buy small... $3.50 weekly toto when i pass by the bet shop.. nothing more. got buy got hope, buy too much no hope laugh.gif

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yes.. my relatives (ie. aunties) are victims.. they spend hundreds on bets.. u can see the stacks of bet slips they have purchased.. sweatdrop.gif
talk to them will kenna scolding.. later they lose (which is usually the case), they accuse that the advice cause them suay wacko.gif
i diam diam now, and try to avoid my mom going near them whenever possible.. they are bad influences

for me, i buy small... $3.50 weekly toto when i pass by the bet shop.. nothing more. got buy got hope, buy too much no hope laugh.gif



last time chia pai tan tua tua.....but always bo kui......NBCB...... angry.gif angry.gif

now buy 5 -- 7 bucks...... tio heng lo, bo tio also bo ar neh sim tia.....

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Like someone had mentioned b4,if a lady wear a short skirt,or bikini,muz u go and touch?
Shld we call for ban for skirts or sexy dresses?
Nobody force u to gamble.A person who bet till bankrupt for 4d or toto,he deserves it.That's pure stupid,period.


Call them idiots, stupid or whatever.

Agree that he or she has himself or herself to blame if they go on a self-destruction mode, regardless of where they are.

But when these clowns go down in flames, unfortunately their loved ones got drag along as well.

We do not have to make even more convenient for them to destroy themselves...

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 05:20 PM

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U all make so much noise for Wat.
Those ppl nv use your $ to gamble.
They want loss everything also not our problem.
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