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A turbocharged MPV!!!

I feel like ripping out the engine and drop it into my Neo. Proton also drop the VVL and change it to VVT for the intake (I think it is to improve FC).

few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,

with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?

Notwithstanding that consider these

based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head

1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer

in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.

few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,

with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?

Notwithstanding that consider these

based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head

1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer

in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.

I don't think this car is available in SG market though. Its not meant for local market.

But you are right about Proton quality. Its bad. Well, thats what you get for getting cheapo cars. Just like the shoddy DSG in those 1.4L Golf. I have never ever seen such a crappy transmission before in my life.

With current COE i think the AD will not risk to bring in too...Hard to sell.

Wah, even proton now got turbo engine for their normal cars.

Jap really lagging.
Come on...give us a turbo Honda Jazz!

few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,

with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?

Notwithstanding that consider these

based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head

1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer

in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.

umm... been driving a Neo since 2008, first hand btw, encountered NON of the problems describe by urself, use my Neo to track as well and umm... never had to change radiator or hoses or major overhauling before... scan car with PDT found components and ecu in very good condition. umm... regarding reliability, where u get ur info?? first hand experience or passed down 'info' ???? sorry to say and no offence to all civic owners but the previous egs that I drove (had two before), had much worse problem, although never tracked with the civics before.. busted gasket, failed radiator pumps blah blah blah.. But I think my civics old cars lah, so cannot really compare with 4 year 'new' car... But I'm curious at the comments posted coz I am a current Proton user.
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and i think i saw in this forum that the quality of PROTON's cars is better in the export version versus their own local version. Personally I don't think it is the reliability issue, but more on refinement, quality and design of materials used in the car, and of course the BRAND versus price issues which is affecting the Jap brands too due to the high COE.

and i think i saw in this forum that the quality of PROTON's cars is better in the export version versus their own local version. Personally I don't think it is the reliability issue, but more on refinement, quality and design of materials used in the car, and of course the BRAND versus price issues which is affecting the Jap brands too due to the high COE.

THAT.... is what i agree!

umm... been driving a Neo since 2008, first hand btw, encountered NON of the problems describe by urself, use my Neo to track as well and umm... never had to change radiator or hoses or major overhauling before... scan car with PDT found components and ecu in very good condition. umm... regarding reliability, where u get ur info?? first hand experience or passed down 'info' ???? sorry to say and no offence to all civic owners but the previous egs that I drove (had two before), had much worse problem, although never tracked with the civics before.. busted gasket, failed radiator pumps blah blah blah.. But I think my civics old cars lah, so cannot really compare with 4 year 'new' car... But I'm curious at the comments posted coz I am a current Proton user.
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My mechanic told me that Proton is actually one of the most reliable cares around and its simple and cheap to maintain. The worst cars? BMW followed by Merc.....

I didnt own the Neo that long but its very good actually. Never had problem with it at all. Works fine since the day I bought it (2nd hand one). Only major repair done is change the timing belt, fan belt and water pump cause its coming to 100K. Other than that, everything is fine.

few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,

with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?

Notwithstanding that consider these

based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head

1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer

in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.

Used to drive a WIRA for 13 years straight. Though it has exactly the Japanese engine, the rest are all M'sia inputs. Yes rattling of interior part is true, the rest of what you said never. Only one engine mounting and A/C compressor busted in 210000 km at year 10, even after 230k km, clutch and driveshaft still hold strong. In fact, the soft touch interior holds so well until it is just as good as when it was new even after 13 years. Maintenance? Other than normal oil change and a period of 100k km, timing belt and water pump replacement and one time replacement for radiator, major maintenance never pass S$4000 throughout the years I spend with the car.

I wonder where you get those info from. For a such an old car, when I test drove the VIOS as a possible replacement for the WIRA, the NVH of the WIRA is many times better, other than the hard riding, engine noise is low, insulation against traffic is good. In fact, the WIRA impresses me and my family very much because of its reliability and low maintenance cost. Servicing in M'sia is extremely cheap. I don't think any other makes can beat that with the overall package the Proton delivers. It's a great car! I think those who sniff at proton never really do research themselves about the car.

Edited by Heartbreakid, 09 January 2012 - 07:09 PM.

Used to drive a WIRA for 13 years straight. Though it has exactly the Japanese engine, the rest are all M'sia inputs. Yes rattling of interior part is true, the rest of what you said never. Only one engine mounting and A/C compressor busted in 210000 km at year 10, even after 230k km, clutch and driveshaft still hold strong. In fact, the soft touch interior holds so well until it is just as good as when it was new even after 13 years. Maintenance? Other than normal oil change and a period of 100k km, timing belt and water pump replacement and one time replacement for radiator, major maintenance never pass S$4000 throughout the years I spend with the car.

I wonder where you get those info from. For a such an old car, when I test drove the VIOS as a possible replacement for the WIRA, the NVH of the WIRA is many times better, other than the hard riding, engine noise is low, insulation against traffic is good. In fact, the WIRA impresses me and my family very much because of its reliability and low maintenance cost. Servicing in M'sia is extremely cheap. I don't think any other makes can beat that with the overall package the Proton delivers. It's a great car! I think those who sniff at proton never really do research themselves about the car.

true, I was one who would blast Proton about their cars, till I personally drive one and owned one! not bad.... was my first thought... and that thought stuck with me till now!11
N.A. wise, quite responsive in its class althought I will still say, VTEC RULESSSSSS YO! LOL!

true, I was one who would blast Proton about their cars, till I personally drive one and owned one! not bad.... was my first thought... and that thought stuck with me till now!11
N.A. wise, quite responsive in its class althought I will still say, VTEC RULESSSSSS YO! LOL!

althought* typo it should be although!

true, I was one who would blast Proton about their cars, till I personally drive one and owned one! not bad.... was my first thought... and that thought stuck with me till now!11
N.A. wise, quite responsive in its class althought I will still say, VTEC RULESSSSSS YO! LOL!

Don't compare VTEC with Proton engines, Honda VTEC has been a legend till now, even Honda's own iVTEC couldn't even match. If you have owned one and encounter with many issues with the car, then it's tough luck for u. But fortunately for me, the WIRA was a blessing despite wearing a PROTON name badge...

Edited by Heartbreakid, 10 January 2012 - 09:10 PM.

Don't compare VTEC with Proton engines, Honda VTEC has been a legend till now, even Honda's own iVTEC couldn't even match. If you have owned one and encounter with many issues with the car, then it's tough luck for u. But fortunately for me, the WIRA was a blessing despite wearing a PROTON name badge...

of course not la, I'm juz saying VTEC rules, which it has and will be N.A. cars.
so i say it again.
VTEC RULESSSSSSS YO!!!

of course not la, I'm juz saying VTEC rules, which it has and will be N.A. cars.
so i say it again.
VTEC RULESSSSSSS YO!!!

Lol!! But you don't really need VTEC to rulez.....

Many normal engines can match or exceed VTEC if you are willing to pump in $$$ for the mods (NA I meant).

But the car will not be suitable for daily drive at all. There will be totally no low end torque and you probably need to idle at at least 1.5K RPM.

few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,

with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?

Notwithstanding that consider these

based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head

1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer

in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.

have you ever owned a proton before???? cant help but reply after reading your comments.....

am driving the 2010 exora, been with me for 2 years now. loving it every single ride. just normal servicing done. so far no major faults-( no such problems as per your items list 1-10 except no.4- aftersales by the local agent(sucks). servicing in boleh land is better/cheap.

http://paultan.org/2...st-impressions/

A turbocharged MPV!!!

I feel like ripping out the engine and drop it into my Neo. Proton also drop the VVL and change it to VVT for the intake (I think it is to improve FC).

Some clowns will say the car is good because got turbo. Got turbo means good car, no turbo means cannot make it. Sometimes I really wonder people knows what a car is for ? For reliability transportation or racing ?

Edited by Renegade777, 12 January 2012 - 10:08 AM.

If you driving needs are basic and are not brand conscious, Proton is quite good actually.
Never own one but rented a Wira 1.5A and drove to KL before, not bad power even for 4 adults (2 big one) + smooth ride.

Some clowns will say the car is good because got turbo. Got turbo means good car, no turbo means cannot make it. Sometimes I really wonder people knows what a car is for ? For reliability transportation or racing ?

Actually, got Turbo these days is better.

This is because a lightly boosted car (say a lightly boosted 1.6L) can achieve the same power as a 2L NA but still get better FC.

Due to more stringent emission requirements and focus on FC, manufacturers are moving towards direct injection turbo engines.

Used to drive a WIRA for 13 years straight. Though it has exactly the Japanese engine, the rest are all M'sia inputs. Yes rattling of interior part is true, the rest of what you said never. Only one engine mounting and A/C compressor busted in 210000 km at year 10, even after 230k km, clutch and driveshaft still hold strong. In fact, the soft touch interior holds so well until it is just as good as when it was new even after 13 years. Maintenance? Other than normal oil change and a period of 100k km, timing belt and water pump replacement and one time replacement for radiator, major maintenance never pass S$4000 throughout the years I spend with the car.

I wonder where you get those info from. For a such an old car, when I test drove the VIOS as a possible replacement for the WIRA, the NVH of the WIRA is many times better, other than the hard riding, engine noise is low, insulation against traffic is good. In fact, the WIRA impresses me and my family very much because of its reliability and low maintenance cost. Servicing in M'sia is extremely cheap. I don't think any other makes can beat that with the overall package the Proton delivers. It's a great car! I think those who sniff at proton never really do research themselves about the car.

the wira is jap technology, the exora is almost 100% malaysian, check up north and you will hear a lot of negative feedback. the malaysian folks buy proton because of the tax breaks not because its a good car.

i used to drive a vios and yes nvh is bad, but for wira money then u could also get sunny, a few k more altis and these were many times better than the wira

for exora price you can get almost no 7 seater in the market except for a used wish or if one puts another 20k a new wish. with such high coe its no brainer what the market will choose. if i have to drive to malaysia just to save a few bucks on servicing i might be better off with taxi or bus.

for those who have owned other cars for reasonable length of time will consider protons an inferior value proposition even though its cheaper. the japanese are better engineering wise and reliability wise. the contis for the handling and drive etc.

to each his preference. but the vote from the market place says its all, cars are so expensive in singapore do you really think that most people didnt think about their purchase decision or explore options throughly so as to exclude a cheaper proposition like proton. like in my post, the drawbacks are too overwhelming.