A turbocharged MPV!!!

I feel like ripping out the engine and drop it into my Neo. Proton also drop the VVL and change it to VVT for the intake (I think it is to improve FC).
Posted 08 January 2012 - 08:53 PM
Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:57 PM
Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:21 PM
few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,
with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?
Notwithstanding that consider these
based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head
1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer
in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.
Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:44 PM
umm... been driving a Neo since 2008, first hand btw, encountered NON of the problems describe by urself, use my Neo to track as well and umm... never had to change radiator or hoses or major overhauling before... scan car with PDT found components and ecu in very good condition. umm... regarding reliability, where u get ur info?? first hand experience or passed down 'info' ???? sorry to say and no offence to all civic owners but the previous egs that I drove (had two before), had much worse problem, although never tracked with the civics before.. busted gasket, failed radiator pumps blah blah blah.. But I think my civics old cars lah, so cannot really compare with 4 year 'new' car... But I'm curious at the comments posted coz I am a current Proton user.few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,
with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?
Notwithstanding that consider these
based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head
1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer
in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.
Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:52 PM
Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:54 PM
THAT.... is what i agree!and i think i saw in this forum that the quality of PROTON's cars is better in the export version versus their own local version. Personally I don't think it is the reliability issue, but more on refinement, quality and design of materials used in the car, and of course the BRAND versus price issues which is affecting the Jap brands too due to the high COE.
Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:46 PM
umm... been driving a Neo since 2008, first hand btw, encountered NON of the problems describe by urself, use my Neo to track as well and umm... never had to change radiator or hoses or major overhauling before... scan car with PDT found components and ecu in very good condition. umm... regarding reliability, where u get ur info?? first hand experience or passed down 'info' ???? sorry to say and no offence to all civic owners but the previous egs that I drove (had two before), had much worse problem, although never tracked with the civics before.. busted gasket, failed radiator pumps blah blah blah.. But I think my civics old cars lah, so cannot really compare with 4 year 'new' car... But I'm curious at the comments posted coz I am a current Proton user.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:02 PM
few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,
with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?
Notwithstanding that consider these
based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head
1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer
in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.
Edited by Heartbreakid, 09 January 2012 - 07:09 PM.
Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:44 PM
true, I was one who would blast Proton about their cars, till I personally drive one and owned one! not bad.... was my first thought... and that thought stuck with me till now!11Used to drive a WIRA for 13 years straight. Though it has exactly the Japanese engine, the rest are all M'sia inputs. Yes rattling of interior part is true, the rest of what you said never. Only one engine mounting and A/C compressor busted in 210000 km at year 10, even after 230k km, clutch and driveshaft still hold strong. In fact, the soft touch interior holds so well until it is just as good as when it was new even after 13 years. Maintenance? Other than normal oil change and a period of 100k km, timing belt and water pump replacement and one time replacement for radiator, major maintenance never pass S$4000 throughout the years I spend with the car.
I wonder where you get those info from. For a such an old car, when I test drove the VIOS as a possible replacement for the WIRA, the NVH of the WIRA is many times better, other than the hard riding, engine noise is low, insulation against traffic is good. In fact, the WIRA impresses me and my family very much because of its reliability and low maintenance cost. Servicing in M'sia is extremely cheap. I don't think any other makes can beat that with the overall package the Proton delivers. It's a great car! I think those who sniff at proton never really do research themselves about the car.
Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:45 PM
althought* typo it should be although!true, I was one who would blast Proton about their cars, till I personally drive one and owned one! not bad.... was my first thought... and that thought stuck with me till now!11
N.A. wise, quite responsive in its class althought I will still say, VTEC RULESSSSSS YO! LOL!
Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:06 PM
true, I was one who would blast Proton about their cars, till I personally drive one and owned one! not bad.... was my first thought... and that thought stuck with me till now!11
N.A. wise, quite responsive in its class althought I will still say, VTEC RULESSSSSS YO! LOL!
Edited by Heartbreakid, 10 January 2012 - 09:10 PM.
Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:40 PM
of course not la, I'm juz saying VTEC rules, which it has and will be N.A. cars.Don't compare VTEC with Proton engines, Honda VTEC has been a legend till now, even Honda's own iVTEC couldn't even match. If you have owned one and encounter with many issues with the car, then it's tough luck for u. But fortunately for me, the WIRA was a blessing despite wearing a PROTON name badge...
Posted 11 January 2012 - 09:41 AM
of course not la, I'm juz saying VTEC rules, which it has and will be N.A. cars.
so i say it again.
VTEC RULESSSSSSS YO!!!
Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:14 AM
few questions to ponder upon especially in sg,
with high coe how does buying a proton stack up ?
Notwithstanding that consider these
based on proton track record, expect many things to go wrong, off the top of my head
1) Plastic parts falling out
2) Rattling dashboard and interior parts
3) Poor NVH after a few years of usage.
4) Shoddy aftersales service from local agent
5) dismayal resale value if you sell before scrap
6) NCAP Ratings - surely safety of family members take some consideration - comparison with other makes of similar price point
7) Non reliability of interior electronics and engine electronics issues known with earlier models - dashboard lights partially conk out, ecu problem and etc
8) Engine parts reliability - accelerated wear and tear of various parts such as engine mount, radiator hose and the likes
9) Engine reliability - especially so with this new model as 70% of the parts are new, meaning never tested, with protons track record we know whats going to happen. to add on this is a turbo, although a light pressure one, expect accelerated problems.
10) An add on, how much of proper R and D was done to make sure that this car is a proper car with proper reliability not a jalopy concept from a chop shop garage, that most themselves will know the answer
in view of the overwhelming odds against them, i dont think the exora will work in sg. the limited numbers on the road prior to coe increase is a testament to my statement.
Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:07 AM
http://paultan.org/2...st-impressions/
A turbocharged MPV!!!![]()
I feel like ripping out the engine and drop it into my Neo. Proton also drop the VVL and change it to VVT for the intake (I think it is to improve FC).
Edited by Renegade777, 12 January 2012 - 10:08 AM.
Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:19 AM
Posted 12 January 2012 - 03:37 PM
Some clowns will say the car is good because got turbo. Got turbo means good car, no turbo means cannot make it. Sometimes I really wonder people knows what a car is for ? For reliability transportation or racing ?
Posted 12 January 2012 - 04:39 PM
Used to drive a WIRA for 13 years straight. Though it has exactly the Japanese engine, the rest are all M'sia inputs. Yes rattling of interior part is true, the rest of what you said never. Only one engine mounting and A/C compressor busted in 210000 km at year 10, even after 230k km, clutch and driveshaft still hold strong. In fact, the soft touch interior holds so well until it is just as good as when it was new even after 13 years. Maintenance? Other than normal oil change and a period of 100k km, timing belt and water pump replacement and one time replacement for radiator, major maintenance never pass S$4000 throughout the years I spend with the car.
I wonder where you get those info from. For a such an old car, when I test drove the VIOS as a possible replacement for the WIRA, the NVH of the WIRA is many times better, other than the hard riding, engine noise is low, insulation against traffic is good. In fact, the WIRA impresses me and my family very much because of its reliability and low maintenance cost. Servicing in M'sia is extremely cheap. I don't think any other makes can beat that with the overall package the Proton delivers. It's a great car! I think those who sniff at proton never really do research themselves about the car.
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