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The man himself finally speaks about his pay check and that of his kakis....

 

From CNA:

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/sin...1177352/1/.html

 

Vital to get ministerial pay system that works for S'pore: PM

By Imelda Saad | Posted: 17 January 2012 1748 hrs

 

SINGAPORE: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has said that it is vital to get a ministerial pay system which works for Singapore.

 

Weighing in on the debate on ministerial salary in Parliament on Tuesday, Mr Lee said the government accepts the recommendations suggested by the review committee.

 

He stressed though that the issue is not just about how much money ministers will get but about ensuring Singapore's future.

 

"It's about ensuring that Singapore always has a good government, leaders who care for our people and our country, who have strong abilities to carry out the responsibilities of ministers, and to have more than that - the character to handle pressure and the mettle to provide steady leadership in a crisis," said Mr Lee.

 

"And if we can get that right, then we can protect what we have achieved and build better lives for all. If not, then the little red dot will become the little black spot."

 

PM Lee spoke of the challenge of building a good government and drew from his own personal experience grappling with the issue. He said he has grappled with the issue of salaries during his entire career, first in the Singapore Armed Forces, then later when he entered politics.

 

He acknowledged that ministerial pay remains an issue for many Singaporeans, and it all came to a head in the 2011 General Election.

 

But Mr Lee pointed out that the issue cannot be easily settled in the heat of an election campaign.

 

"We certainly do not want an auction to the lowest bidder...people saying 'I will serve for less' and the other person says 'I will serve for even less' and you think that if you choose the cheapest one, you get the best value for money," he said.

 

Mr Lee explained why pay is critical to Singapore. "Because pay goes to one of the core requirements for Singapore to assemble the best team to serve Singapore and if you have the wrong system of pay, you have the wrong team," he said.

 

As Prime Minister, Mr Lee said that is his constant worry.

 

He cited how some of the current office holders were recruited, and said he never discussed salaries with them.

 

But Mr Lee questioned if Singapore can risk its future on the assumption that salaries do not matter.

 

He acknowledged that there will be Singaporeans who do not care about money, but questioned if there will be enough of them to form a top-notch Cabinet.

 

"I do not see it likely that we are going to find it easier to get good ministers in future. I think the contrary is the case. First of all, Singapore politics is becoming more complex, more uncertain. It's not a sure ride, it's not a career move," said Mr Lee.

 

"You can lose and even if you win, the job of politics, persuading people, arguing with people, dealing with the brickbats, is a lot more complicated than before."

 

Mr Lee added: "On the other side, there are many more exciting career opportunities available for able and ambitious young Singaporeans here and abroad.

 

"In that situation, I think it's going to take a lot of persuading to get young people to give up these opportunities and enter politics, whatever ministers are going to get paid.

 

"If pay is not competitive, then that's just another obstacle to the path of people who might have something valuable to add to Singapore.

 

"(Senior Minister of State for Information, Communications and the Arts) Grace Fu was completely right in this point when she posted in her blog to say that this salary revision is okay but if you go too far, I think that's going to be a problem for many Singaporeans. She got flamed online, but she was right and she was honest to point this out."

 

Mr Lee also agreed that ministers should be accountable, whatever the pay.

 

And he shed some light on how he assesses his team.

 

Discounting the two deputy prime ministers, there are currently 10 ministers at the entry-level grade and one, a grade above that.

 

Mr Lee did not reveal who they are.

 

But he said he expects to, in a steady state, promote more ministers to higher grades.

 

Mr Lee said he wants to build a team comprising three tiers of ministers, that is, newer ministers developed for heavier responsibilities in future; more experienced ministers overseeing major ministries and areas of work; as well as senior ministers who help coordinate more than one ministry and oversee whole-of-government issues.

 

Mr Lee stressed that Singaporeans must evaluate ministers fairly. He said they cannot expect ministers to never make mistakes.

 

But when they do, he said, they must acknowledge errors and fix things.

 

"Negligent or dishonest ministers will be sacked but ministers who do not perform well despite their best efforts will be moved to a less demanding portfolio, or, if necessary, phased out discreetly," he said.

 

But he added exits are "delicate matters" and "must be handled with dignity and decorously".

 

Mr Lee said it must not "be turned into a public spectacle, lest it deters even more good people from entering politics".

 

PM Lee also explained why it's not possible to have a pre-set formula to determine the performance bonus for ministers.

 

Each minister, he said, has different responsibilities and the way he assesses their performance is to make a subjective judgement and then consult his senior colleagues.

 

"Ultimately Cabinet is collectively responsible for what the government does, and Singaporeans will be the final judge of the government's record at elections," he said.

 

- CNA/ir

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Vital to get bus driver pay system that works for S'pore if not he may be lost, refuse to listen to passengers and drive you to Hol-land...

 

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DPM say cannot compare with other countries. Now PM say cannot get the cheapest.

 

So how? We cannot compare with other country. Cannot get the cheapest. Actually he meant cannot change what his father had implemented. Now all his servants very heart pain. Without elite pay, they starting to look down on themselves liao -_-

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"Mr Lee stressed that Singaporeans must evaluate ministers fairly. He said they cannot expect ministers to never make mistakes.

 

But when they do, he said, they must acknowledge errors and fix things.

 

"Negligent or dishonest ministers will be sacked but ministers who do not perform well despite their best efforts will be moved to a less demanding portfolio, or, if necessary, phased out discreetly," he said.

 

But he added exits are "delicate matters" and "must be handled with dignity and decorously".

 

Geee... who is/are he referring to?

 

Hmmm....

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"Mr Lee stressed that Singaporeans must evaluate ministers fairly. He said they cannot expect ministers to never make mistakes.

 

But when they do, he said, they must acknowledge errors and fix things.

 

"Negligent or dishonest ministers will be sacked but ministers who do not perform well despite their best efforts will be moved to a less demanding portfolio, or, if necessary, phased out discreetly," he said.

 

But he added exits are "delicate matters" and "must be handled with dignity and decorously".

 

Geee... who is/are he referring to?

 

Hmmm....

 

MBT lor [laugh]

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"Mr Lee stressed that Singaporeans must evaluate ministers fairly. He said they cannot expect ministers to never make mistakes.

 

But when they do, he said, they must acknowledge errors and fix things.

 

"Negligent or dishonest ministers will be sacked but ministers who do not perform well despite their best efforts will be moved to a less demanding portfolio, or, if necessary, phased out discreetly," he said.

 

But he added exits are "delicate matters" and "must be handled with dignity and decorously".

 

Geee... who is/are he referring to?

 

Hmmm....

 

Raymond Lim also gone... YCT also gone...

 

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"Mr Lee stressed that Singaporeans must evaluate ministers fairly. He said they cannot expect ministers to never make mistakes.

 

But when they do, he said, they must acknowledge errors and fix things.

 

"Negligent or dishonest ministers will be sacked but ministers who do not perform well despite their best efforts will be moved to a less demanding portfolio, or, if necessary, phased out discreetly," he said.

 

But he added exits are "delicate matters" and "must be handled with dignity and decorously".

 

Geee... who is/are he referring to?

 

Hmmm....

 

What would you do if your pay is cut and now you must depend even more on bonuses and your boss is the one and only chap assessing you? Diff is 800k basic to 1.5m++

 

I will be honest. I will kee chew more often. [laugh]

 

 

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"Mr Lee stressed that Singaporeans must evaluate ministers fairly. He said they cannot expect ministers to never make mistakes.

 

But when they do, he said, they must acknowledge errors and fix things.

 

"Negligent or dishonest ministers will be sacked but ministers who do not perform well despite their best efforts will be moved to a less demanding portfolio, or, if necessary, phased out discreetly," he said.

 

But he added exits are "delicate matters" and "must be handled with dignity and decorously".

 

Geee... who is/are he referring to?

 

Hmmm....

Still need to make it decorously ah ? He sure takes care of his kind...

I need LHL more now !

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"(Senior Minister of State for Information, Communications and the Arts) Grace Fu was completely right in this point when she posted in her blog to say that this salary revision is okay but if you go too far, I think that's going to be a problem for many Singaporeans. She got flamed online, but she was right and she was honest to point this out."

 

 

Don't understand why it will be a problem for Singaporeans. Sounds like a strong unhappiness warning to the public, I may be wrong because my comprehension not powerful enough to read between the lines.

 

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DPM say cannot compare with other countries. Now PM say cannot get the cheapest.

 

So how? We cannot compare with other country. Cannot get the cheapest. Actually he meant cannot change what his father had implemented. Now all his servants very heart pain. Without elite pay, they starting to look down on themselves liao -_-

Tell him that LSS wants Sporeans to CHEAPER BETTER FASTER.

We obeyed already. But we also want them to do the same likewise.

 

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"Mr Lee stressed that Singaporeans must evaluate ministers fairly. He said they cannot expect ministers to never make mistakes.

 

But when they do, he said, they must acknowledge errors and fix things.

 

"Negligent or dishonest ministers will be sacked but ministers who do not perform well despite their best efforts will be moved to a less demanding portfolio, or, if necessary, phased out discreetly," he said.

 

But he added exits are "delicate matters" and "must be handled with dignity and decorously".

 

Geee... who is/are he referring to?

 

Hmmm....

 

The problem is when minister make mistakes, it may affect a lot of people. I do agree that human do make mistakes, but being minister which holds such a important role if make mistake they should be accountable.

 

If ministers do not perform well despite their best efforts, it simply means they are not capable for this kind of job and should be ask to leave.

 

I mean such important role as a minister do not perform well does affect a lot of people. It's like when a company hires a IT staff who knows nothing about IT and do not perform well in the job despite their best efforts, so what will the company do ?

 

I mean no hard feelings but have to be hard on certain things so that to get things right and for benifit of whole Singapore.

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Turbocharged

He is indirectly saying that they cannot find anyone who is capable, has the passion to serve Singaporeans and will not mind earning what leaders of other 1st world countries earn. Therefore, they must pay sky high salary to ensure whoever they recruit has the capability. Forget about passion because that is not important as long as the country moved forward. So it means, our education system, which is so highly regarded, has failed.

 

But wait, where did Chen Show Mao pop out from?

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He is indirectly saying that they cannot find anyone who is capable, has the passion to serve Singaporeans and will not mind earning what leaders of other 1st world countries earn. Therefore, they must pay sky high salary to ensure whoever they recruit has the capability. Forget about passion because that is not important as long as the country moved forward. So it means, our education system, which is so highly regarded, has failed.

 

But wait, where did Chen Show Mao pop out from?

 

Think he got mention in speech and wonders how many can he find and attract and asks rhetorically can fill a whole cabinet?

 

He is boss and recruiter. He say hard to recruit means hard to recruit.

 

But recruited already, they are the best. See the illogic?

 

Means you cannot win. [laugh]

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Ministerial Salary Debate, Parliament, Jan 16 2012 - Chen Show Mao

 

 

215 likes, 4 dislikes

 

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Ministerial Salary Debate, Parliament, Jan 17 2012 - PM Lee

 

 

4 likes, 14 dislikes

 

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Raymond Lim also gone... YCT also gone...

 

Lemon Lim now in GIC board of director. From transport minister to investment firm director, really talented in all kind of industry and field

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