Philipkee Twincharged April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 Just want to ask bros ur view. I was driving at night at the marine parade roundabout. I was at the outder lane. I had NO INTENTION of filtering out at the next available exit and I did not signal my intention to do so. While passing by one of the exits, a car from the inner lane suddenly swerved out and hit the front of my car. It can be argued that my frint hit his side. Anyway, my point is that the marine parade roundabout has no lane markings so there is no obligation for me to exit even on outer lane and even if one were to argue otherwise, the car from the inner lane should not have cut out suddenly. My question here is, will I lose my NCD? What proportion of blame will be awarded to me by insurers in such a situation? Just opinions or if you have facts, please say so. I now waiting to hear from insurers. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJX Turbocharged April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 My understanding is that cars on the outer lane of a roundabout has to exit at the next available exit whilst cars on the inner lane can either exit or proceed to the next exit, or go make another 10 rounds inside the roundabout... ;p can someone clarify on this coz i have been using the same roundabout for the past 20 yrs and stand by this rule.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenMob 6th Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 thats when the give way rules kick in. It does not says that the out lane car must die die exit at the 1st exit. i use the roundabout at least once a week just slow down when possible, signal intentions earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datura 2nd Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 Just want to ask bros ur view. I was driving at night at the marine parade roundabout. I was at the outder lane. I had NO INTENTION of filtering out at the next available exit and I did not signal my intention to do so. While passing by one of the exits, a car from the inner lane suddenly swerved out and hit the front of my car. It can be argued that my frint hit his side. Anyway, my point is that the marine parade roundabout has no lane markings so there is no obligation for me to exit even on outer lane and even if one were to argue otherwise, the car from the inner lane should not have cut out suddenly. My question here is, will I lose my NCD? What proportion of blame will be awarded to me by insurers in such a situation? Just opinions or if you have facts, please say so. I now waiting to hear from insurers. bro you are in the wrong, i have been driving pass this roundabout for the last 20 yrs , those on the outer lane MUST exit from the first exit , middle lane can exit from the first or second, the most inner lane exit at second or go round. This is the basic for all roundabout . i have seen many accidents like yours at this roundabout and they are mainly new or inexperience driver who are in the outer lane but dont exit out in the first, worst you dont even signal your intention, if all drivers were to practice signalling at roundabout to make their intention clear, even if you are in the wrong lane, other motorist will still give way or slow down for you. anyway good that no one is hurt , just have to compensate the other driver and learn from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptronic Supercharged April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 TS, sorry to hear about the accident. The rule is those on the right gets the "right". That means the innermost circle drivers get the top priority and outermost circle gets the lowest when exiting. I am sorry to say that TS should have given "way: to the other driver. So, depending upon the circumstances, your insurance company may show some courtesy to you. Otherwise it is gone case for you! Be careful and safe in the future! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldling3217 Neutral Newbie April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 Runabout is one that driving center/instructor never really teach and therefore alot of driver enter the run about, all keep to outer lane. those follow the rule all sian 1/2, cos all cant exit. block by those keeping on outer lane but without intention to exit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2BDriver Hypersonic April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 (edited) Just want to ask bros ur view. I was driving at night at the marine parade roundabout. I was at the outder lane. I had NO INTENTION of filtering out at the next available exit and I did not signal my intention to do so. While passing by one of the exits, a car from the inner lane suddenly swerved out and hit the front of my car. It can be argued that my frint hit his side. Anyway, my point is that the marine parade roundabout has no lane markings so there is no obligation for me to exit even on outer lane and even if one were to argue otherwise, the car from the inner lane should not have cut out suddenly. My question here is, will I lose my NCD? What proportion of blame will be awarded to me by insurers in such a situation? Just opinions or if you have facts, please say so. I now waiting to hear from insurers. Hi, Bro PhilipKee, May I ask, do you have a dashboard camera capturing the other driver failed to signal left and dashed hastily into your driving path ? In my own opinion with regard to your above statements, in theory the other driver swept your car front is at fault, a video clip evidence is useful for you to defence and your car insurer to penalize the front car driver been failed to indicate left signaling, inconsiderate and dangerous driving faults. I guess without strong evidence to prove the other party is at fault, more likely the authority and both insurers just base on both parties accident sketches and reported statements to justify 50:50 conclusion, thereby you maybe penalised for speeding fast and not keeping safety distance. My advise to you is to speaks with your workshop to seek a Lawyer or Legal Adviser specialise in Motor Insurance Claims for defensive counter measures that you may decides necessary. Edited April 10, 2012 by Fongmy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutralsg 5th Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 (edited) Just want to ask bros ur view. I was driving at night at the marine parade roundabout. I was at the outder lane. I had NO INTENTION of filtering out at the next available exit and I did not signal my intention to do so. While passing by one of the exits, a car from the inner lane suddenly swerved out and hit the front of my car. It can be argued that my frint hit his side. Anyway, my point is that the marine parade roundabout has no lane markings so there is no obligation for me to exit even on outer lane and even if one were to argue otherwise, the car from the inner lane should not have cut out suddenly. My question here is, will I lose my NCD? What proportion of blame will be awarded to me by insurers in such a situation? Just opinions or if you have facts, please say so. I now waiting to hear from insurers. My take on this: 1) The lane at that roundabout at most is sufficient for 2 vehicles at any one time right? Doubt very much if it is wide enough for 3 vehicles to move at the same time. 2) Rightfully, if there are no lane markings, it should have been a single vehicle lane At roundabout, appropriate signals SHOULD BE USED however, many ignore the use of signals 3) Since only 2 vehicles are able to squeeze in the lane, the outer vehicle nearest to the exit may choose to exit at the next exit. 4) The vehicle traveling inside i.e. nearer to the roundabout curb should check their blind spot before moving towards the outer side leading towards the exit. Hence, I doubt the one on the inside has a case against you since it is obvious that he/she did not form in the correct position to exit. Just my 2 cents. Edited April 10, 2012 by Neutralsg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babyt 4th Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 (edited) yes outer lane for next exit but i also dont follow. Sometimes very hard to get out of the circle if i drive in inner lanes but i also try to be careful when approaching roundabout. I avoid newton circle at all cost. i also think the car that u hit is in wrong...u can claim u merge from the latest entrance, and did not stay in outer lane from the earlier entrance haha. As you can see...if a car is coming in from next entrance which u didnt exit, it will also drive along lane 1 to exit next. Edited April 10, 2012 by Babyt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptronic Supercharged April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 Runabout is one that driving center/instructor never really teach and therefore alot of driver enter the run about, all keep to outer lane. those follow the rule all sian 1/2, cos all cant exit. block by those keeping on outer lane but without intention to exit. What makes even worse is "not using the indictors properly or never using the indicators". TS should have given right indicator till he crossed that exit (In addition, TS should have moved to next inner lane ideally or atleast should have anticipated and slowed down to give way to the other fellow) and the other driver should have given left signal to exit. I guess both of them failed to show minimum courtesy :angry: . I guess rather than teaching so much, we should develop and show the road courtesy to get everything right in this country! God bless Singapore!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTan 2nd Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 Get a cheap video camera...say around $100. It may help you in future to show who is more right and should burden less of the blame from the accident. When the insurance see such videos, they will allocate less blame on the rear car if the rear car banged into the front car which drives without due care. If not for video proof, the rear car may be blamed 100% for causing the accident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardthy 1st Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 OPEN YOUR EYES WHEN USING ROUNDABOUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyiet27 Clutched April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 I believed tp never come rite If u have witness to proof he bang u, u should win more If no witness, most prob 50-50 Should hv settle ow self to save on ncd I dun think wat outer lane must exit Slower cars n those who jus pass will take outer lane even if they exiting wat Cos they not so confident But it all goes down to giving way depending on scenario Drive with care Slow down if not confident to all drivers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutralsg 5th Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 (edited) Hi, Bro PhilipKee, May I ask, do you have a dashboard camera capturing the other driver failed to signal left and dashed hastily into your driving path ? In my own opinion with regard to your above statements, in theory the other driver swept your car front is at fault, a video clip evidence is useful for you to defence and your car insurer to penalize the front car driver been failed to indicate left signaling, inconsiderate and dangerous driving faults. I guess without strong evidence to prove the other party is at fault, more likely the authority and both insurers just base on both parties accident sketches and reported statements to justify 50:50 conclusion, thereby you maybe penalised for speeding fast and not keeping safety distance. My advise to you is to speaks with your workshop to seek a Lawyer or Legal Adviser specialise in Motor Insurance Claims for defencive counter measures that you may decides necessary. Hi Fongmy, You do see it in the proper perspective. 50/50 likely although I would think that TS would have a fair chance since the other driver had not formed in the right position or checked if it's safe to exit by misjudging the vehicle in the blind spot etc.. etc.. Unless TS has the ability to give way safely without causing accidents to rear vehicles by urgently slow down, the onus is more on the vehicle who slammed into TS. It is somewhat similar to the driver who had an accident with an SMRT bus whereby he couldn't do much to avoid that accident. Hence, the one who CAN CONTROL the outcome should have greater liability than one who doesn't. It's unfortunate to see comments of some posters who apparently seemed to have forgotten the basic rule of highway code. Edited April 10, 2012 by Neutralsg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datura 2nd Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 TS if the damage is minimum , recommend that both of you settle among yourslves, no need to drag lawyer in, dont waste time and money. If you report to insurance , high chances is 50: 50. Just remember for all drivers, if you do not have the intention to exit on the first exit in the roundabout, upon approaching the roundabout , please stay in the inner lane or middle lane and must use your signal to clealy show your intention. hope this clears it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ender Hypersonic April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 I don't think the car in the inner circle should just exit straightaway. He have to 1st filter to outer circle then exit from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutralsg 5th Gear April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 I don't think the car in the inner circle should just exit straightaway. He have to 1st filter to outer circle then exit from there. This shows you know how to drive as expected from an experienced driver unlike some who seemed to be confused in such situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count-Bracula Twincharged April 10, 2012 Share April 10, 2012 I hate roundabouts. :angry: ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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