Evillusion Supersonic July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 Both PRC and ROC claims all islands within the 9 lines drawn by PRC, and ROC calls it the U boundary.PRC and ROC claims are distinct from what we are discussing. ROC dont claim the 9-9 line....only China did so. The issue is does China have the right to claim the whole of SCS according to their 9-9 claims which many SEA nations also claims? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoob Supercharged July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 No point digging up history, it is all about resources... Famous quote from Dune, "He who controls the spice, controls the universe." The area is unexplored and rumoured to be 'oil-rich'... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 I'm referring to the comment about islands being "far". So what gave the US and British rights to occupy islands already settled by humans ? Ownself give ownself ? How far away are they from their invaders ? Saipan and Guam is a far more different case than the current South China Sea fiasco. Guam, was claimed by the Spanish in the 1500s. It inhabited by the natives then. In the early 1900s, control was transferred to America after Spain lost the Spanish-American war. Saipan was more or less the same story, with an intermediate period of German possession before Japan come to occupy it and US took control after WW2. Falklands was uninhabited when the English landed and took control. And Argentina then did not protest the British presence on the island. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpsexx 6th Gear July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 PRC and ROC claims are distinct from what we are discussing. ROC dont claim the 9-9 line....only China did so. The issue is does China have the right to claim the whole of SCS according to their 9-9 claims which many SEA nations also claims? Wanted to +++5 to up your views bro.. but gave u earlier already.. Totally agree with you on your points.... Saipan and Guam is a far more different case than the current South China Sea fiasco. Guam, was claimed by the Spanish in the 1500s. It inhabited by the natives then. In the early 1900s, control was transferred to America after Spain lost the Spanish-American war. Saipan was more or less the same story, with an intermediate period of German possession before Japan come to occupy it and US took control after WW2. Falklands was uninhabited when the English landed and took control. And Argentina then did not protest the British presence on the island. +++5 for you too.. but also already give u earlier liao... haha... Yup, agree that these historical points are different case from the current China ownself say ownself claim issue.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTong Turbocharged July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 Is this report right? Singapore's Foreign Minister is Vivian Balakrishnan and not K. Shanmugam!! cat out of the bag...now we know the content of the Minister portfolio reshuffling.. Wanted to +++5 to up your views bro.. but gave u earlier already.. Totally agree with you on your points.... +++5 for you too.. but also already give u earlier liao... haha... Yup, agree that these historical points are different case from the current China ownself say ownself claim issue.. think what China is thinking and asking: Why gwailo countries can claim? who are to say they can claim? or was the end off WW2 the beginning of history? why other ppl cannot claim? why we cannot claim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viceroymenthol 6th Gear July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 The mature ones here know how the world works. Big countries eat small countries, big companies eat small companies, MNC senior management eat small middle executives and so on. That's the hard truth and the way of the world. All this arguing about historical claims is BS, only excuses. Just like WMDs in Iraq were excuses. That they even bothered to give excuses, is very "give face" already. Wake up! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpsexx 6th Gear July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 think what China is thinking and asking: Why gwailo countries can claim? who are to say they can claim? or was the end off WW2 the beginning of history? why other ppl cannot claim? why we cannot claim? So why the Chinese also wan to chap jit kar? Just bec other people can i cannot? Juvenile reasoning... No wonder Asians so kiasu .... If the US really wants to claim for themselves, Japan, S Korea would already by their colonies after WW2.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bystander50 5th Gear July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 Knowing Chinese penchant for face, they'll never acknowledge this tribunal ruling.. With no clear legal backing now, China will hv to resort to bullying, carrot giving, or stealth land grab to consolidate whatever they have built in the south China Sea.. So long as all countries are willing to economically starve China by pulling out any manufacturing activities and boycott China made stuffs, in 3-5 years, the ATs will not have the financial capabilities to act as aggressor or patrolling the 9-dashed lines. Probably by then, they can't even manage a dot, least to say manage 1 line. They will be better controlled then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpsexx 6th Gear July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 The mature ones here know how the world works. Big countries eat small countries, big companies eat small companies, MNC senior management eat small middle executives and so on. That's the hard truth and the way of the world. All this arguing about historical claims is BS, only excuses. Just like WMDs in Iraq were excuses. That they even bothered to give excuses, is very "give face" already. Wake up! End of the day is self-interest... The world is run by self interest, it's ruled by self-interest.. If its not in their self-interest, they would not do it..... So long as all countries are willing to economically starve China by pulling out any manufacturing activities and boycott China made stuffs, in 3-5 years, the ATs will not have the financial capabilities to act as aggressor or patrolling the 9-dashed lines. Probably by then, they can't even manage a dot, least to say manage 1 line. They will be better controlled then. Yes, the economic boom over the past 30+ years gave the Chinese the means to do what they want now.. But I don't think anyone wants to control China, we just want each other to get along well and not be the aggressor and grab other's properties... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si4dr 5th Gear July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 I doubt Philippines can do anything when China refuse to back off. Will US want to war with China on SCS? If Donald Trump as president...hmmm maybe? But we certainly do want war now( or anytime)......economy so bad already.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bystander50 5th Gear July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 ROC has already made official statement to protest against the ruling. ROC does not agree that they are "not islands", and will continue to send naval ships to the area. http://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20160713001940-260407 南海仲裁案判斷結果出爐，國防部今指出，我國擁有南海主權，不因常設法庭仲裁而有任何改變，國軍將堅定捍衛國家領土與主權。 國防部表示，為因應南海情勢變化，除與海巡署加強南海地區情監偵及掌握海、空動態外，並提升聯合作戰指揮中心值勤層級，國軍將持續派遣機、艦實施南沙巡弋、運補與護航，支援海巡任務，國軍將堅定捍衛國家領土與主權，保持高度警覺，以有效掌握全般狀況，確保國家安全。 This is one of the so-called "reef" If the ATs can just ignore the judgement as they pleased, the next thing M'sia will also ignore the judgement that Pedra Branca was awarded to SG. And in fact Pedra Branca are just "rocks" which are even smaller than those currently in disputes. For our case, at least there are some transfer documents from the British times. The ATs don't even have any documents, other than maps, which is totally groundless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxus-MIFA9 Supersonic July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 This Hague ruling only states that China's claims are unsubstantiated and illegal, but does not award the islands to anyone. Usually if there's conflicting claims, Hague will always award to the party who has proven historical administration in the last 100 yrs or so (eg, pedra branca). But in this case, the islands have gone under the radar until very recently. It'll be interesting to see how Phil (and other SEA claimants) will use this ruling. One thing for sure, there is still a sense of mistrust about China's intention. For some reason, I feel more comfortable with Uncle Sam flexing his muscle than PRC doing the same thing. That Ruling should award all the islands to a neutral country..... And that country is SINGAPORE ... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 Malaysia is neither US or China. The US and Russia have ignored international rulings multiple times. This is how the game is played, and how Singapore needs to recognize the geopolitical realities and not become a puppet of this game. All the other countries are playing along. Unless you also call the Taiwanese ATs ... ROC is also known today as Taiwan. Taiwan is part of ROC & PRC. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanCoe Hypersonic July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 (edited) So long as all countries are willing to economically starve China by pulling out any manufacturing activities and boycott China made stuffs, in 3-5 years, the ATs will not have the financial capabilities to act as aggressor or patrolling the 9-dashed lines. Probably by then, they can't even manage a dot, least to say manage 1 line. They will be better controlled then. China is too powderful to be starved of trade or boycott, just a temporary frenzy always I can see ,all talk but nobody takes the walk much, yet Everyone hates China for such reasons as so many countries are affected; but every body will want to do biz with china 'cos they are the cheapest and most efficient in delivery ...etc..... quality is now gone but price is what people look at . All the big conglomerates are operating already in China at full steam from a simple light bulb to the MRT trains.... they have it all and can deliver, no matter what. Even our vege's come in from China They have become very strong in the last 10-20 years, kept a low profile and now have decided to stylo milo but this one back fired on them as they had big wet dreams, wet ones in the oceans by procreating more lands out of nowhere and now in contempt of Court Orders or decision Edited July 13, 2016 by BanCoe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 cat out of the bag...now we know the content of the Minister portfolio reshuffling.. think what China is thinking and asking: Why gwailo countries can claim? who are to say they can claim? or was the end off WW2 the beginning of history? why other ppl cannot claim? why we cannot claim? Would love to see Mongolia claim china as traditional hunting ground. . They have a much better case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxus-MIFA9 Supersonic July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 Recently, I chatted with a teenager or maybe 20-something, on this matter. And I mentioned something from WWII, and he was like "What is world war? Brad Pitt movie?" Man is forever forgetful. Same if you ask him about bank robbery (until recent case), about goldsmith shops robberies, food rationing, curfews. They will say what arr... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 So long as all countries are willing to economically starve China by pulling out any manufacturing activities and boycott China made stuffs, in 3-5 years, the ATs will not have the financial capabilities to act as aggressor or patrolling the 9-dashed lines. Probably by then, they can't even manage a dot, least to say manage 1 line. They will be better controlled then. you must be kidding, the whole world cannot live without taobao liao, dun believe you ask @mustank 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 That Ruling should award all the islands to a neutral country..... And that country is SINGAPORE ... the ocean so big, singapore dare to swallow or not? ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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