Super366 2nd Gear April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 Only sad people end up as drug mules. No end to sad story people who are prey to business person. Oz is flexing its muscles, can do this and that. Few SGP are drug mules, why? Good management policies to terminate manpower supply to this industry. Perhaps UN should have a study on the causative factors particular to drug industry manpower supply. Profile the drug mule recruits and steps to curb rather than this posturing. Then...politicians are politicians, only 'family/ patriachal ' management would seek to protect their own brothers and sisters. As distasteful termination of life is to me, our choice is NO to drugs. Strict uncompromising and very daddy. Or we could feed them for life and more people try to display their sad life stories to us. Drug addiction is terrible, the people damage is terrible and scars the drug addicts and those related to them for life. There is a GCB guy I know whose brother is/was/is/was/is a drug addict. He does not like people to know, he also wants people to know. Even after twenty years, the shame, anger and sadness is still there. ↡ Advertisement 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 Drug mules get death penalty and drug lords just lose some money. It is indeed sad. Some of these people have no choice. Do it - get caught - death penalty. Don't do it - family will be harmed. Killing drug mules do little to stem out drug trafficking. Erm, then explain why our drug trafficking rate is low? Cos only the stupidest/most desperate of mules dare to come into SG. You can't stem out drug trafficking, but u can make them not come through SG. Or big boss name got name but they heard the name end up cannot do anything?? Maybe the name is some big name in the world... they have many many layers between them and the runners/druggies. The threat of violence is always there once u go past a certain level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Supersonic April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 So far, none of those sentenced to hang, did not disclosed their 'big boss' name....... Are they on some kind of oath to their bosses .... Disclose also die, don't disclose at least can protect the family. Banning heroin is fine. But if they wanna ban marijuana (rhyme!), they'd better ban alcohol and tobacco too. Otherwise they just look hypocritical (that applies to many states of the US, too). Alcohol is, by many objective measures, more hazardous to one's short-term functioning and long-term health than marijuana. Smoking doesn't impair functioning in the short-term but it has devastating long term consequences. And smoking exposes "innocent bystanders" to risk via secondary smoke inhalation. C'mon Singapore, show us how strong you are! Be bloody consistent! Ban alcohol and tobacco! Given recent development, higher chance of us legalizing marijuana than banning alcohol and tobacco in the next 20-30 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerwoods Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 So far, none of those sentenced to hang, did not disclosed their 'big boss' name....... Are they on some kind of oath to their bosses .... They won't know because there are too many layers and to the top. Erm, then explain why our drug trafficking rate is low? Cos only the stupidest/most desperate of mules dare to come into SG. You can't stem out drug trafficking, but u can make them not come through SG. they have many many layers between them and the runners/druggies. The threat of violence is always there once u go past a certain level. Yes Sg very few and now Indon also wants to become tough.They should have allowed the mule to pass thru customs, send to receiving person and get ppl to monitor him and trace back to source and work from there to trace all the way to the Drug Lord, get mercenaries to gun down all of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 Erm, then explain why our drug trafficking rate is low? Cos only the stupidest/most desperate of mules dare to come into SG. You can't stem out drug trafficking, but u can make them not come through SG. they have many many layers between them and the runners/druggies. The threat of violence is always there once u go past a certain level. I don't want to argue or say that you're wrong... BUT This is an interesting question that makes me want to research further. IS our "drug trafficking" rate low? How are you measuring it? I would say, undoubtably, from a seat of the pants analysis the "drug consumption" rate in Singapore is low - but I would also wonder how much of that is attributed to "death penalty" and how much can be attributed to "other factors. I would also wonder if, measured purely as "trafficking" (taken to mean moving drugs through Singapore airport) how much does "the death penalty" contribute to the low rate when measured against "likelihood of getting caught". For example - (and just to make something up by pulling a hair from my arse) Let's say Airport A has a likelihood of getting caught of 0.0001 (1 in 10,000) but the penalty is 10,000 While Airport B has a likelihood of getting caught of .01 (1 in 100) but a penalty of 5,000 Which airport would you use? Now - translating that to the death penalty - What if (I don't know if this is true, nor how to set about measuring it) the risk of getting caught at Changi is much greater than at any of the other regional airports - then is it the death penalty that is the major contributor to a low trafficking rate or the better enforcement? I would humbly suggest - that to a drug lord, the prospect of losing their drugs is of greater concern than what ultimately happens to the drug mule if caught. Although again, I don't know if that is true or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 I don't want to argue or say that you're wrong... BUT This is an interesting question that makes me want to research further. IS our "drug trafficking" rate low? How are you measuring it? I would say, undoubtably, from a seat of the pants analysis the "drug consumption" rate in Singapore is low - but I would also wonder how much of that is attributed to "death penalty" and how much can be attributed to "other factors. I would also wonder if, measured purely as "trafficking" (taken to mean moving drugs through Singapore airport) how much does "the death penalty" contribute to the low rate when measured against "likelihood of getting caught". For example - (and just to make something up by pulling a hair from my arse) Let's say Airport A has a likelihood of getting caught of 0.0001 (1 in 10,000) but the penalty is 10,000 While Airport B has a likelihood of getting caught of .01 (1 in 100) but a penalty of 5,000 Which airport would you use? Now - translating that to the death penalty - What if (I don't know if this is true, nor how to set about measuring it) the risk of getting caught at Changi is much greater than at any of the other regional airports - then is it the death penalty that is the major contributor to a low trafficking rate or the better enforcement? I would humbly suggest - that to a drug lord, the prospect of losing their drugs is of greater concern than what ultimately happens to the drug mule if caught. Although again, I don't know if that is true or not. I agree i don't know the actual statistics. From my general understanding of the region around us, we are easily one of the countries with the lowest drug problems (consumption/trafficking) in the world. Wouldn't surprise me if we are top 5 or even number 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 I agree i don't know the actual statistics. From my general understanding of the region around us, we are easily one of the countries with the lowest drug problems (consumption/trafficking) in the world. Wouldn't surprise me if we are top 5 or even number 1. It wouldn't surprise me either --- I just don't think it should be automatically attributed to the death sentence. I have seen studies that suggest that the death sentence is not really a deterrent vis a vis other punishments. What is the real deterrent is the belief of the likelihood of getting caught. For me - I don't have an answer either way - but as in all things, I do think it's important not to assume, but actually try to come up with a metric for measuring between causation, correlation and coinkydink Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 It wouldn't surprise me either --- I just don't think it should be automatically attributed to the death sentence. I have seen studies that suggest that the death sentence is not really a deterrent vis a vis other punishments. What is the real deterrent is the belief of the likelihood of getting caught. For me - I don't have an answer either way - but as in all things, I do think it's important not to assume, but actually try to come up with a metric for measuring between causation, correlation and coinkydink I think it's sort of an infamy. Lol, u can do a survey among drug runners whether they dare to step into SG. This kinda stuff, how to collect data .. U can say its part of our organised efforts against drug consumption/trafficking in SG. But no one will be able to pinpoint what is the exact thing that works. It's all part of the package. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porker Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 I think it's sort of an infamy. Lol, u can do a survey among drug runners whether they dare to step into SG. This kinda stuff, how to collect data .. U can say its part of our organised efforts against drug consumption/trafficking in SG. But no one will be able to pinpoint what is the exact thing that works. It's all part of the package. You can read up on the correlation between poverty and drug abuse. Both seem to be proportional to each other. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nlatio Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 It wouldn't surprise me either --- I just don't think it should be automatically attributed to the death sentence. I have seen studies that suggest that the death sentence is not really a deterrent vis a vis other punishments. What is the real deterrent is the belief of the likelihood of getting caught. For me - I don't have an answer either way - but as in all things, I do think it's important not to assume, but actually try to come up with a metric for measuring between causation, correlation and coinkydink aiyo whether it is or not, doe not matter right..... we must have done something right that's why the rate here is low..... so keep it that way... That night watch the documentary of a certain country..... nbzzz... whole street full of people smoking crack like machiam having a street party..... sad..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 aiyo whether it is or not, doe not matter right..... we must have done something right that's why the rate here is low..... so keep it that way... That night watch the documentary of a certain country..... nbzzz... whole street full of people smoking crack like machiam having a street party..... sad..... Yeah it matters - it's not just an academic study - You need to understand what you are doing right to improve upon it. Let's say, for example - that death penalty made no difference at all in drug trafficking - would you still support it? On the other hand, let's say that Death Penalty is 90% of the reason why not much trafficking, would that encourage more places to implement and would it mean that more resources could be diverted away from trafficking towards, say, domestic violence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 Yeah it matters - it's not just an academic study - You need to understand what you are doing right to improve upon it. Let's say, for example - that death penalty made no difference at all in drug trafficking - would you still support it? On the other hand, let's say that Death Penalty is 90% of the reason why not much trafficking, would that encourage more places to implement and would it mean that more resources could be diverted away from trafficking towards, say, domestic violence? death sentence for domestic violence? are you trying on the human right thing again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 death sentence for domestic violence? are you trying on the human right thing again? Aiyoh... No No As in...policing efforts focus more on something else rather than drug trafficking...not so much the penalty.. But anyway, I don't think (personally) that penalty would make much difference in domestic violence - which is more often "passion / stupidity / brain problem" than a rational thing (assuming that deciding whether or not to commit a crime based on penalty is a rational decision) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nlatio Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 Yeah it matters - it's not just an academic study - You need to understand what you are doing right to improve upon it. Let's say, for example - that death penalty made no difference at all in drug trafficking - would you still support it? On the other hand, let's say that Death Penalty is 90% of the reason why not much trafficking, would that encourage more places to implement and would it mean that more resources could be diverted away from trafficking towards, say, domestic violence? Dont think so leh..... even proven dp is the contributing factor.... looking at most of the country that is anti dp, especially their own people going to kena hang..... they will choose not to believe the finding..... I still believe dp play a part in the low figure here..... another is maybe the low demand here??? Here think have high demand for various countries coconut and papaya... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 (edited) Dont think so leh..... even proven dp is the contributing factor.... looking at most of the country that is anti dp, especially their own people going to kena hang..... they will choose not to believe the finding..... I still believe dp play a part in the low figure here..... another is maybe the low demand here??? Here think have high demand for various countries coconut and papaya... Yeah well... Some people will refuse to acknowledge reality...but that doesn't mean we should study it - A good place to start would be a comparison between other countries with death penalty for drug smuggling... This might be an interesting place to start Compare the drug crime 2000 - 2004, then 2004 - 2008 then 2008 - 2012 might give a starting insight into how much of a deterrent the Death Penalty is Edited April 27, 2015 by Darryn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nlatio Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 hmmm dont know man.... think those who consume drug also send to hang/firing squad..... Advantage is once most of them up lorry... no more demand, then the trade will die a natural death.... everyone happy except drug lord.... maybe need to change to cultivate tea leaves.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 (edited) hmmm dont know man.... think those who consume drug also send to hang/firing squad..... Advantage is once most of them up lorry... no more demand, then the trade will die a natural death.... everyone happy except drug lord.... maybe need to change to cultivate tea leaves.... I think what Daryn tryin to say is DP without enforcement is going to do nothing. Dp as deference is only successful because we have enforcement and policing on this area. I think what Daryn tryin to say is DP without enforcement is going to do nothing. Dp as deference is only successful because we have enforcement and policing on this area. Frankly take anyone it and We might achieve nothing. Edited April 27, 2015 by Joseph22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nlatio Turbocharged April 27, 2015 Share April 27, 2015 WTF the indon doing.... 1 end say they will hear appeal for the 2 fella.... then the other end say they will continue to execute the 2 fella even though Indon court will be hearing their appeal (again)..... In the first place, didnt they already say they exhausted all their avenue for appeal... then the court can come and say they will hear appeal...... Alamak, this worst than Taiwan drama...... Or the Indon waiting for more :"goodies" from the Kangaroo?? They are so corrupt that they can just declare the 2 fella innocent..... Show some balls lar Indon PM..... ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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