Singapore Airlines Plane in trouble again

[Enye]

Pay rise 100%.

 

Who don't 1 to jump.

 

wah...any chinese or middle eastern companies need a storeman?

 

[inlinesix]

wah...any chinese or middle eastern companies need a storeman?

 

What's your Unique Selling Point?

 

[Vratenza]

As in each year there will be 4 urine drug test...they will not be informed when they will be asked to collect a urine sample.

 

That way, they will be on their toes....no drug and sex party in hotel rooms during turn around. 

 

We all get what you mean but it cannot be surprise and quarterly.

It's either surprise or quarterly.

 

[Enye]

What's your Unique Selling Point?

 

[Sosaria]

With the pressure of high salary demand, shortage of skilled manpower, and ready availability of technology, I won't be surprised if the aviation authorities, aircraft manufacturers and public will start to accept single-flight crew operations

 

After all, the Flight Management Computer does most of the flying, and as we have seen with drones, autonomous flight is already proven technology. The human pilot becomes a backup or maybe just to do the takeoff and landing (as for military drones as well).

 

Aviation industry always adjust to price and cost pressures, altho everyone knee-jerk say safety is paramount importance. It already happened for the aviation maintenance repair overhaul industry where unionised workforce demanding high pay are slowly being outflanked by high tech aircraft requiring less manpower and hours to maintain, outsourcing to less unionised countries, etc. World is changing fast, and expertise/knowledge can no longer be monopolized to advantage.

Edited September 17, 2018 by Sosaria

[Soya]

Chinese and Middle East airlines

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/sia-pilots-in-deadlock-over-pay-work-conditions

ST article says SQ captain earn ard $16k/mth. Thot it’s much higher than that, ard $30k for captain, 20k for senior first officer

[inlinesix]

ST article says SQ captain earn ard $16k/mth. Thot it’s much higher than that, ard $30k for captain, 20k for senior first officer

No idea le.

 

Got SQ pilot fren to verify?

[Victor68]

ST article says SQ captain earn ard $16k/mth. Thot it’s much higher than that, ard $30k for captain, 20k for senior first officer

With fighter planes going pilotless, soon we don't need any liao. haha

[Lala81]

ST article says SQ captain earn ard $16k/mth. Thot it’s much higher than that, ard $30k for captain, 20k for senior first officer

 

based on global pay, i think pilots usually earn 20 to 30k + pm depending on seniority.

16k is very low, maybe thats their base pay if they are grounded 

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/2164135/cathay-pacific-pilots-salaries-be-pegged-closer-hours-flown

 

1.8 mil HKD => 315,000 annual base pay for SQ captain

[Jamesc]

With the pressure of high salary demand, shortage of skilled manpower, and ready availability of technology, I won't be surprised if the aviation authorities, aircraft manufacturers and public will start to accept single-flight crew operations

 

After all, the Flight Management Computer does most of the flying, and as we have seen with drones, autonomous flight is already proven technology. The human pilot becomes a backup or maybe just to do the takeoff and landing (as for military drones as well).

 

Aviation industry always adjust to price and cost pressures, altho everyone knee-jerk say safety is paramount importance. It already happened for the aviation maintenance repair overhaul industry where unionised workforce demanding high pay are slowly being outflanked by high tech aircraft requiring less manpower and hours to maintain, outsourcing to less unionised countries, etc. World is changing fast, and expertise/knowledge can no longer be monopolized to advantage.

Good point.

 

So many crashes are caused by pilot error.

 

How many crashes are caused by computer error?

 

My computer says 0.

 

 

You can always trust a computer.

[Flying_genie]

With fighter planes going pilotless, soon we don't need any liao. haha

The technology is already available for single pilot or even pilot-less airplanes. The question is, will the travelling public be (psychologically) able to accept pilot-less commercial passenger airplanes.

 

Airplanes do breakdown and unlike cars, one cannot simply stop the car by the roadside and abandon it. As airplanes rely more and more on computers, software problems are a major factor. Even if a simple reset of the software is required, we need someone to manually fly the airplane from the cockpit while the CTL+ALT+DEL is activated.

[Soya]

With fighter planes going pilotless, soon we don't need any liao. haha

Imagine one day u hear over the PA system: “Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. This is your Captain Siri speaking...” (!!!)

 

Or it could be worse if it’s Captain Bixby......lol

[Lala81]

The technology is already available for single pilot or even pilot-less airplanes. The question is, will the travelling public be (psychologically) able to accept pilot-less commercial passenger airplanes.

 

Airplanes do breakdown and unlike cars, one cannot simply stop the car by the roadside and abandon it. As airplanes rely more and more on computers, software problems are a major factor. Even if a simple reset of the software is required, we need someone to manually fly the airplane from the cockpit while the CTL+ALT+DEL is activated.

 

also computers take data at face value.

If there's a mountain in front of them but the sensors tell them clear ahead, they will still fly into the mountain 

Imagine one day u hear over the PA system: “Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. This is your Captain Siri speaking...” (!!!)

 

Or it could be worse if it’s Captain Bixby......lol

 

haha captain bixby. everytime i see this word appear on my screen, i press the back button

[inlinesix]

With fighter planes going pilotless, soon we don't need any liao. haha

Drone can only be used on strategic strike.

 

In other situations, u still need fighter jet.

 

If not, why PRC, Russia and USA is still pouring money into stealth fighter jet?

[Voodooman]

The technology is already available for single pilot or even pilot-less airplanes. The question is, will the travelling public be (psychologically) able to accept pilot-less commercial passenger airplanes.

 

Airplanes do breakdown and unlike cars, one cannot simply stop the car by the roadside and abandon it. As airplanes rely more and more on computers, software problems are a major factor. Even if a simple reset of the software is required, we need someone to manually fly the airplane from the cockpit while the CTL+ALT+DEL is activated.

1 pilot can control a few planes from a global control centre but you are right, we still want to know a human is at the cockpit.

[Karoon]

No wonder Goh Choon Pong face black black on the F1 podium just now. Prolly kena suan...

 

maybe this is why

 

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/tigerair-australia-grounded-plane-over-botched-maintenance-work-20180911-p502zm.html

Tigerair Australia grounded plane over botched maintenance work

 

By Patrick Hatch

15 September 2018 — 1:53pm

 

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Budget airline Tigerair Australia grounded one of its jets for three weeks last month after it flew back to Australia from maintenance work in the Philippines with serious undetected faults.

The incident has prompted parent company Virgin Australia to end all maintenance work at the facility owned by Singapore Airlines - which owns 20 per cent of Virgin - and has raised questions about Tigerair's and the air safety regulator's oversight of offshore maintenance work.

 

Tigerair flew one of its three Boeing 737s to Clark International Airport near the Filipino city of Angeles on July 17 to undergo heavy maintenance work.

The jet returned to Melbourne with only crew on board two weeks later, on July 31, and Tigerair engineers discovered that a modification to the plane's cargo bay smoke evacuation system had been installed incorrectly.

The work was akin to the skills of a "home handyman", according to Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association federal secretary Steve Purvinas, with unsecured components and wires connected to the wrong terminals.

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The fault required extensive repair work followed by testing, which meant the jet was sitting idle in Melbourne for three weeks and forced the airline - which only has 15 planes - to cancel some services.

Another fault was discovered before the plane's first service flight on August 22, when crew found a flight attendant's seatbelt was not properly bolted to the seat.

 

"What concerns us most is other latent defects, hidden now, but waiting to resurface at 30,000 feet," Mr Purvinas said. "They didn’t know about the seatbelts - what else don’t they know?"

Tigerair's head of engineering Rob Furber said the company had conducted an "extensive review" of the work done in the Philippines both before and after the aircraft returned to service.

"Tigerair has stringent safety management and standard operating procedures in place," Mr Furber said.

 

"The safety of our aircraft, passengers and crew is always our highest priority and will never be compromised."

The plane did not take any passengers before the fault was discovered and fixed, the airline said.

Tigerair found out about the smoke extractor defect when it was investigating a fault in the cockpit flight recording system, which led engineers to discover the botched wiring.

 

Tigerair's two other 737s have undergone work at Singapore Airlines' Philippines facility since June, and the Virgin Group has been using the facility for close to two years, but that relationship has been ended after the deficient work carried out on the aircraft.

Aviation analysts and consultant Neil Hansford said the incident raised questions about Tigerair's oversight of its offshore maintenance.

“If there was an [Tiger] engineer there, he should lose his licence," he said.

“This is the sort of stuff that would cause CASA, if it had balls, to review the engineering approvals of the airline.”

Overseas maintenance providers need to be certified by Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority, and the regulator told Fairfax Media it was aware of the "maintenance matters" at Tigerair.

 

CASA was working with the airline and the provider, SIA Engineering Philippines (SIAEP), to "ensure that the high standards of Australian aviation safety are maintained", a spokeswoman said.

The SIAEP facility was due to be audited by CASA this year, and the authority has conducted three on-site audits there since 2014, she said.

But Mr Purvinas, from the engineers' union, said CASA had recently moved to a new system that used a computer algorithm to determine when a provider should be audited, which had resulted in fewer checks.

CASA said it was on track to deliver an overall annual increase of surveillance and associated oversight activities this year.

A spokeswoman for SIAEP said the company was "working closely with Tigerair Australia to understand the issues reported on one of their Boeing 737 aircraft".

"SIAEC has performed 10 maintenance checks this year on other Tigerair Australia aircraft at our Philippines facilities, all of which have been completed to the highest standards," she said.

In 2011, before Virgin bought the airline from its Singaporean owners, CASA grounded the entire Tiger Airways fleet for more then five weeks over lax safety standards.

It is common for airlines to send their aircraft offshore or to third parties for maintenance. Qantas, for instance, does some of its wide-body heavy maintenance at its own facility in Los Angeles, and at a third-party facility in Hong Kong.

The Virgin Group has been loss-making for six consecutive years and its Tigerair division has been particularly challenged, running at a $24 million loss last year.

Tigerair is in the process of converting its 15-strong fleet from Airbus to Boeing aircraft.

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Edited September 17, 2018 by Karoon

[Maxus-MIFA9]

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[Fitvip]

SQ is short in pilot now.

 

Their pilot kenna poached

I thought poaching and trapping is prohibited!?