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Posted 12 October 2014 - 11:03 PM

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China military training inadequate for winning a war: army paper

 

China's military authority has sent a document to military units detailing 40 weaknesses in current training methods, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Daily said in a front-page story.

 

 

 

http://www.reuters.c...N0I108Q20141012

 

 

(Reuters) - Weaknesses in China's military training pose a threat to the country's ability to fight and win a war, China's official military newspaper said on Sunday.

 

China's military authority has sent a document to military units detailing 40 weaknesses in current training methods, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Daily said in a front-page story.

 

"These problems reflect shortcomings and weak-points in the makeup of our military fighting force. If they are not promptly dealt with, then they will certainly affect and hinder our army's ability to go to war," the paper said, citing the PLA general staff headquarters.

 

President Xi Jinping has been pushing to strengthen the fighting ability of China's 2.3 million-strong armed forces, the world's largest, and stepping up efforts to modernize forces that are projecting power across disputed waters in the East and South China Seas.

 

The country's armed forces came under fire earlier this year from serving and retired Chinese officers and state media who questioned whether the force was too corrupt to win a war.

 

The military newspaper said China needed to find a cure for the "peace disease" affecting its training regime to ensure the armed forces could master the ability to win a real conflict.

 

Military authorities identified issues for the country's army, navy and air force, including training standards and styles by commanders and military units. The problems were identified through supervision of drills, including joint exercises with foreign armed forces, the PLA Daily said.

 

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 12:08 AM

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Another country military that is inadequate must be Thailand. Their army has never gone to any combat or war.

They are only deployed to suppress their own people and to stage military coup.
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Posted 13 October 2014 - 12:10 AM

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Another country military that is inadequate must be Thailand. Their army has never gone to any combat or war.

They are only deployed to suppress their own people and to stage military coup.


I dunno if you have been to Saiyok Camp but hearsay some of the LRRP Rangers are pretty tough nuts having deployed along their border with Cambodia and Myanmar region.
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Posted 13 October 2014 - 12:27 AM

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Another country military that is inadequate must be Thailand. Their army has never gone to any combat or war.

They are only deployed to suppress their own people and to stage military coup.


Can't really predict based on just one factor. Winning a war depends on so many things - troop morale, training, equipment, planning, luck and etc
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Posted 13 October 2014 - 12:56 AM

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Can't really predict based on just one factor. Winning a war depends on so many things - troop morale, training, equipment, planning, luck and etc

My guess is they are ironing out the weakness in doctrine level.

I feel it's a good thing for them to be transparent about it. But it's also a psychological news to let potential enemies know that China is also improving themselves.

Being a superpower the stakes are very high when it comes to winning a war...

I dunno if you have been to Saiyok Camp but hearsay some of the LRRP Rangers are pretty tough nuts having deployed along their border with Cambodia and Myanmar region.

Most countries haves some tough nuts or cracked units in their military. But in terms of the whole armies readiness it's another story. A country need an army to win wars, a small group of tough nuts can only do so much.

Sort like a GTR with 10 litres tank left vs A Honda Jazz with full tank, which will go further?

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 01:20 AM

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I dunno if you have been to Saiyok Camp but hearsay some of the LRRP Rangers are pretty tough nuts having deployed along their border with Cambodia and Myanmar region.

Nope, never been there and don't know about their rangers.

I am talking about their army as a whole. They will spare no effort to impose martial law, stage a coup or suppress the political protestors.

Basically their army is used against their own people only and not for conflicts outside of the country.

If you do a google search on Thai Army, all you see is coup, martial law, crackdown on protestors, etc.

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 01:50 AM

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Nope, never been there and don't know about their rangers.

I am talking about their army as a whole. They will spare no effort to impose martial law, stage a coup or suppress the political protestors.

Basically their army is used against their own people only and not for conflicts outside of the country.

If you do a google search on Thai Army, all you see is coup, martial law, crackdown on protestors, etc.


That is no reason to conclude that it's army is inadequate

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 03:07 AM

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 03:15 AM

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Another country military that is inadequate must be Thailand. Their army has never gone to any combat or war.

They are only deployed to suppress their own people and to stage military coup.


Never go to war doesnt mean cant fight


Like that singapore never go war also not combat ready?

Most important in military is budget, when u have money u can have the best weapon and invite military experts from other countries like israel.


By the way seeing thailand tank number really scare me nia, is all the tank ready for battle?
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Posted 13 October 2014 - 03:20 AM

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Can't really predict based on just one factor. Winning a war depends on so many things - troop morale, training, equipment, planning, luck and etc

Agree

Though Thai armies are used to fight own people but they may be ready for war compared to their neighbour like malaysia

Any conclusion that OUR army can win a war?:)

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China military training inadequate for winning a war: army paper
 
China's military authority has sent a document to military units detailing 40 weaknesses in current training methods, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Daily said in a front-page story.
 
 
 
http://www.reuters.c...N0I108Q20141012
 
 
(Reuters) - Weaknesses in China's military training pose a threat to the country's ability to fight and win a war, China's official military newspaper said on Sunday.
 
China's military authority has sent a document to military units detailing 40 weaknesses in current training methods, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Daily said in a front-page story.
 
"These problems reflect shortcomings and weak-points in the makeup of our military fighting force. If they are not promptly dealt with, then they will certainly affect and hinder our army's ability to go to war," the paper said, citing the PLA general staff headquarters.
 
President Xi Jinping has been pushing to strengthen the fighting ability of China's 2.3 million-strong armed forces, the world's largest, and stepping up efforts to modernize forces that are projecting power across disputed waters in the East and South China Seas.
 
The country's armed forces came under fire earlier this year from serving and retired Chinese officers and state media who questioned whether the force was too corrupt to win a war.
 
The military newspaper said China needed to find a cure for the "peace disease" affecting its training regime to ensure the armed forces could master the ability to win a real conflict.
 
Military authorities identified issues for the country's army, navy and air force, including training standards and styles by commanders and military units. The problems were identified through supervision of drills, including joint exercises with foreign armed forces, the PLA Daily said.
 
China has developed stealth jets and has built one aircraft carrier


But still asia strongest

Edited by Thaiyotakamli, 13 October 2014 - 03:19 AM.

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 03:22 AM

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We have long mocked Malaysia's armed forces but when it was necessary to deploy in the Lahad Datu standoff, they displayed decisiveness and resolve and demonstrated a degree of combined arms operations ability.

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 04:44 AM

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Another country military that is inadequate must be Thailand. Their army has never gone to any combat or war.

They are only deployed to suppress their own people and to stage military coup.

Sure or not? Thailand defeated Laos within a small scale 2-week border war?


Nope, never been there and don't know about their rangers.

I am talking about their army as a whole. They will spare no effort to impose martial law, stage a coup or suppress the political protestors.

Basically their army is used against their own people only and not for conflicts outside of the country.

If you do a google search on Thai Army, all you see is coup, martial law, crackdown on protestors, etc.

No mention of newspaper report on smaller scale border war with Laos?


That is no reason to conclude that it's army is inadequate

Can be pulling our legs?


We have long mocked Malaysia's armed forces but when it was necessary to deploy in the Lahad Datu standoff, they displayed decisiveness and resolve and demonstrated a degree of combined arms operations ability.

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 06:02 AM

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Pretty self beating?

Reverse psychology?

Some reports rate China's navy catching up with Japan fast.

 

"China is out-building Japan virtually across the board," Yoshihara said.

 

 

http://www.scmp.com/...ans-experts-say

 

 

China's loss of the first Sino-Japanese war has been attributed to a disorganised navy. Although the northern fleet equalled, some say exceeded, the Meiji navy in terms of firepower, it was annihilated because it lacked coordination among its military units.

 

Today while Japan's navy may have a qualitative advantage over China's, the People's Liberation Army is catching up, analysts say.

 

In sheer manpower, China has the upper hand, with Beijing putting the PLA Navy's strength at 235,000, or more than five times the number in the Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force.

 

 

But the Japanese navy has being training with modern warfare strategies, and with different units, for decades, according to Macau-based military expert Antony Wong Dong

 

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"PLA units are still exploring new ways to operate jointly, which could lead to merging their different weapon systems together," Wong said.

 

Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the US Naval War College, said that although the Japanese navy was still superior in technological sophistication and experience, China was catching up quickly.

 

 

"China is out-building Japan virtually across the board," Yoshihara said.

 

 

He said the PLA Navy was deploying modern destroyers, frigates, fast-attack craft and submarines. "Japan is already having trouble keeping pace with this level of Chinese output."

As so many Chinese warships had entered production, adding mass and balance on the fleet, Japan could no longer rely on its qualitative advantage, Yoshihara said.

But a deciding factor would be the support of the US Navy. "The US-Japanese alliance is essential to weighing the overall naval balance," he said.

China might even have the edge now, according to Dr Lyle Goldstein, an associate professor at the China Maritime Studies Institute under the US Naval War College.

"In my opinion, the forces are quite evenly matched now, but China may even have pulled ahead in recent years," Goldstein said. He added that this was not the official assessment of the US Navy.


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Posted 13 October 2014 - 06:23 AM

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Maybe China smokescreen say they too fat cannot run 100m sprint. When push come to stove maybe they can fondle Usain Bolt ass throughout the whole race?

Or kaki lang release this report to squeeze for more budget?
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Posted 13 October 2014 - 06:42 AM

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Another country military that is inadequate must be Thailand. Their army has never gone to any combat or war.

They are only deployed to suppress their own people and to stage military coup.


Their policemen still wear tight uniform?

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Any conclusion that OUR army can win a war?:)


I think can win, going by the world's highest numbers of generals we have per sq meter of our land size, World Number One!!!
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China military training inadequate for winning a war: army paper

 

China's military authority has sent a document to military units detailing 40 weaknesses in current training methods, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Daily said in a front-page story.

 

 

 

http://www.reuters.c...N0I108Q20141012

 

 

 

hmmmm....... maybe the audit report had reach Xi and found that money on one of the 40 listed supposed to be spend on soldier's underwear goes missing.... [sly]

 

They are told to train without any underwear ... [sweatdrop]

 

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Being a superpower the stakes are very high when it comes to winning a war...
Most countries haves some tough nuts or cracked units in their military. But in terms of the whole armies readiness it's another story. A country need an army to win wars, a small group of tough nuts can only do so much.

Sort like a GTR with 10 litres tank left vs A Honda Jazz with full tank, which will go further?

 

Why must go further when the goal might be just a short 1/4 mile sprint? If can fight based on own advantages, why let the opponent fight on their own advantages? Don't need to drag out something that can be accomplished in a short time mah.. If got the GTR with 1L of fuel, and the Jazz with full tank, and the Jazz want to race, just suggest short race lor.. Fight long race = give advantage to the other guy..

 

Then again, we should be more concerned with our side than just being concerned with others sides. If China want to fight us, we're goners pretty quickly..


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hmmmm....... maybe the audit report had reach Xi and found that money on one of the 40 listed supposed to be spend on soldier's underwear goes missing.... [sly]
 
They are told to train without any underwear ... [sweatdrop]
 
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Will their farts be louder without muffering by underwear?

Or shoot faster with private gun?

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Why must go further when the goal might be just a short 1/4 mile sprint? If can fight based on own advantages, why let the opponent fight on their own advantages? Don't need to drag out something that can be accomplished in a short time mah.. If got the GTR with 1L of fuel, and the Jazz with full tank, and the Jazz want to race, just suggest short race lor.. Fight long race = give advantage to the other guy..
 
Then again, we should be more concerned with our side than just being concerned with others sides. If China want to fight us, we're goners pretty quickly..


We are too tiny target, their missiles may overshoot

On a more serious note: yes, fight and destroy the enemies on ground and "format" that give advantage to themselves, not the opponents. But will the choice be always there?
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