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Posted 16 December 2015 - 08:45 PM

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We can continue the debate here. Maybe it will help bridge the understanding between dealers and consumers.

Please keep the discussion civilized and mature. Danke.
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Posted 16 December 2015 - 10:08 PM

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Hahah.. need to discuss meh?

 

There are good dealers and bad dealers.

 

There are good customers and bad customers.

 

End of Discussion.


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 10:30 PM

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To each his own with each party having own perspectives.

 

nothing much to discuss and no point imposing each other views on one another.


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 11:16 PM

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Like the Car

- happy with price

- happy with terms ______ Buy

 

Like the Car

- happy with price

- not happy with terms ___ Don't Buy

 

Like the Car

- not happy with price

- happy with terms       ___ Don't Buy

 

Like the Car

- not happy with price

- not happy with terms ___ Don't Buy

 

Savvy ? [;)]


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 11:33 PM

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Dealer - attempt to extract maximum profit from consumer

Consumer - attempt to pay the least possible

 

No one is going to like the other.

 

Maybe somewhere they can meet in the middle.

 

So don't expect anything more.


Edited by Kb27, 16 December 2015 - 11:33 PM.

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 01:14 AM

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Hahah.. need to discuss meh?

There are good dealers and bad dealers.

There are good customers and bad customers.

End of Discussion.

Aside from stating the obvious, your posting do not bring much information. If you feel there is nothing to be discussed, you are free to leave this thread.
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Posted 17 December 2015 - 08:16 AM

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eh ello...this shd be in complaint meh?

 

in car discussion lah....

 

moved....hahahah



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 08:43 AM

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at this time and age.. with so much internet shopping/purchases...  

 

many sellers are realizing the monetary benefits of selling directly

 

the ''value add'' provided by dealers is getting minimal with their profit margin getting larger

 

heard reasons such as ''provide for lemon law expenses'', demand for shorter term cars higher etc etc 

 

 

idk la... my mind juz cannot get ard why new car depreciation is lesser than used cars...  and if this is not benefiting from MAS ruling... 

 


Respect is earned.. does not come with your god damn title..

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:05 AM

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I agree that both consumers and dealers have different perspectives and both, at the their own end, would strife at their own best, to extract the maximum benefits out of the other party. Dealers wants to make a handsome profit out of a deal while consumers wants to have the car plus lots and lots of accessories and add-ons at the lowest possible price. In economics, this is call the demand and supply theory. Where demand meets supply, the equilibrium price is derived. Consumers are the demand, Dealers the supply. Which party is more desperate at the end of the day determines how much room the other party has in control over the final transacted price. I would think that both dealers and buyers need to exercise their own due diligence to ensure the deal is a smooth one without disputes.



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:11 AM

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We can continue the debate here. Maybe it will help bridge the understanding between dealers and consumers.

Please keep the discussion civilized and mature. Danke.

 

 

Edited topic title in line with the current Force Awakening!

 

 

AS it is, we have the DArk side here versus the chee....i...i mean JEdi...



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:12 AM

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What is the reputation for TTS Eurcars?

 

I read that there are some negative comments years ago.

 

But what about now? I would think they are good as they are the AD for fiat.



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:14 AM

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What is the reputation for TTS Eurcars?

 

I read that there are some negative comments years ago.

 

But what about now? I would think they are good as they are the AD for fiat.

 

 

my experience with TTS was good many years back.


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:17 AM

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my experience with TTS was good many years back.

thanks.

i am looking to buy a car from them.



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:46 AM

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at this time and age.. with so much internet shopping/purchases...  

 

many sellers are realizing the monetary benefits of selling directly

 

the ''value add'' provided by dealers is getting minimal with their profit margin getting larger

 

heard reasons such as ''provide for lemon law expenses'', demand for shorter term cars higher etc etc 

 

 

idk la... my mind juz cannot get ard why new car depreciation is lesser than used cars...  and if this is not benefiting from MAS ruling... 

 

but sadly.. most private sellers also have unrealistic price especially when the lemon law does not cover the buyer in this case.


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:47 AM

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I think this is not about dealers or consumers only, it also involve direct sellers

 

It is a 3-way relationship: -

 

Seller ---> Dealer ---> Buyer

 

If as consumers we want to cut away the dealers: -

 

Seller ---> Buyer

 

It is easy to do so however again for the "convenience" of paperwork some seller prefer dealer. The situation were made complicated because there is another party involved: -

 

Seller ---> Consignment ---> Buyer

 

 

Dealers are unscrupulous when they tried to: -

 

1. Pretend they are direct sellers (intention unknown but common consumers' speculation will be car got problem don't want to cover under lemon law)

 

2. Ask for admin fee to do paperworks like bank loan, LTA transfer etc (I had done LTA transfer only takes 5mins excluding queue time, bank loan is easy when I don't have bad credit)

 

3. Intentionally reject consumers' request to send vehicle for inspection

 

 

Consumers are unreasonable when they tried to: -

 

1. Ask for the moon when the car is pre-owned, expecting car to be like new

 

2. Pretend to understand car maintenance, e.g. what parts are considered wear and tear

 

3. Pretend buying car but only there to have a free test drive

 

 

And I shall end with one last thing, "Everyone has a choice, anyone can just walk away".



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:50 AM

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My input so that both newbie buyers and the more progressive, enlightened dealers is to quote the recent ruling for the funds/deposit abscondment case: "for men of commerce such as (One Motor), and others who provide finance for car dealers, in the same trade, knowing their co-dealers and alive to its pitfalls, to organise their ways of doing business so that they do not become traps for the unwary car buyer."

 

Note that this ruling now sets the precedent for dealers to raise the standard of their game.

 

We can influence them to "organise their ways of doing business so that they do not become traps for the unwary car buyer". Hence my demand for all progressive dealers to provide full disclosure of existing mechanical issues. Such as through an AA inspection. Not just verbal promises to fix discovered faults if they are requested.

 

I not asking for them to provide full overhaul to showroom status. I accept that fixing wear and tear items on my own dime is part of the car owning experience.

 

Of course if they really want to raise their game then they provide new oils/fluids and body+interior basic cleaning.

 

 


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:56 AM

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buyer assured of  lemon law before purchase by dealer.

 

once bought and the lemon becomes squeezed dry, no more lemon juice.

 

of course, not all dealers are like that.

 

the one i bought from honoured this with a big ticket fault and repaired it with no fuss.


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 10:01 AM

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Dealers are unscrupulous when they tried to: -

 

1. Pretend they are direct sellers (intention unknown but common consumers' speculation will be car got problem don't want to cover under lemon law)

 

2. Ask for admin fee to do paperworks like bank loan, LTA transfer etc (I had done LTA transfer only takes 5mins excluding queue time, bank loan is easy when I don't have bad credit)

 

 

 

can i ask you something... if seller still have loan and buyer need take loan... but seller cannot full settle unless buyer pass him the money.....

 

is it possible to still get it done privately?


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 10:02 AM

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Hahah.. need to discuss meh?

 

There are good dealers and bad dealers.

 

There are good customers and bad customers.

 

End of Discussion.

 

Your attitude to status-quo is unhelpful. Consumers need to influence and demand change to the 'standard business practices'.

 

U are happy for singapore to be known for dishonest, low-standard merchants, and ugly unreasonable ungracious customers?



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 10:18 AM

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can i ask you something... if seller still have loan and buyer need take loan... but seller cannot full settle unless buyer pass him the money.....

 

is it possible to still get it done privately?

 

Shows how tight the cash resources are when one is roadblocked like this.

 

Always settle your existing loan first because it is under your name. That is your responsibility and bank don't care which stranger promised to pay you in future. Use overdraft or savings to temporarily settle.

 

If no such facilities/ability, that means you not ready to change car. And also took too heavy a loan on your existing vehicle.




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