Alfa 159 Part IX (Any Alfa discussion also welcomed)

[AlfaBeast]

Anybody can advise me?

I'm bringing a 159 2.2 for inspection before confirming purchase and I would like to hear from you guys, what should I look out for during the inspection to know if the car is in favourable condition?

 

Wear & tear parts are understandable.

So would like to know if there are anything more specific I should be more wary of before a full on commitment with the dealer.

[Theredstar]

Hello. I m considering an Alfa 159 2012. But is fairly worried about the high maintenance cost of the car.

 

Was thinking of a older 1 to minimize the loss but came across tis 2012 with a year or 2 warranty to the engine gearbox and compressor.

 

Please advise:)

Warranty from who?

And what GB and compressor?

 

High maintenance is because of availability of parts I guess.

It's more than offset by the silly smile on your face everyday

[Flo123]

Warranty from who?

And what GB and compressor?

 

High maintenance is because of availability of parts I guess.

It's more than offset by the silly smile on your face everyday

I was told it's warranty by optima werkz. The condition will be it has to be serviced by them during warranty.

[Matt156c]

Anybody can advise me?

I'm bringing a 159 2.2 for inspection before confirming purchase and I would like to hear from you guys, what should I look out for during the inspection to know if the car is in favourable condition?

 

Wear & tear parts are understandable.

So would like to know if there are anything more specific I should be more wary of before a full on commitment with the dealer.

Bring it to a Alfa specialists to check. They have the right tools and knowledge for the job. Then again, nothing is going to prevent the car for breaking down right after you drive out from the dealer. Have a written agreement with the dealer on breakdown and warranty parts  on your purchase is more important.

 

Hope this help

[Flo123]

Bring it to a Alfa specialists to check. They have the right tools and knowledge for the job. Then again, nothing is going to prevent the car for breaking down right after you drive out from the dealer. Have a written agreement with the dealer on breakdown and warranty parts on your purchase is more important.

 

Hope this help

Hi Matt156c

 

Wat to look out for specifically in the breakdown n warranty parts?

[Matt156c]

Hi Matt156c

 

Wat to look out for specifically in the breakdown n warranty parts?

There are a few big ticket items that tend to fail right after one purchase a used car ....

 

1) selespeed

2) clutch

3) engin gasket/ seal

4) radiator hose

5) Engine mount

6) starter motor

7) drive shaft

8) prop shaft if Q4

9) fuel pump

 

That all I can think of but should be more ..

Hope I did not scare you from buying a Alfa ....

Edited January 19, 2017 by Matt156c

[Flo123]

There are a few big ticket items that tend to fail right after one purchase a used car ....

 

1) selespeed

2) clutch

3) engin gasket/ seal

4) radiator hose

5) Engine mount

6) starter motor

7) drive shaft

8) prop shaft if Q4

9) fuel pump

 

That all I can think of but should be more ..

Hope I did not scare you from buying a Alfa ....

Thank u for the detailed breakdown. M so used to hearing a lot of negative feedback n discouragement of tis choice. M contemplating a 2012 or a 2007 still. 2007 to me is more of a "test" with minimal loss or shld say projected loss.

[Matt156c]

Thank u for the detailed breakdown. M so used to hearing a lot of negative feedback n discouragement of tis choice. M contemplating a 2012 or a 2007 still. 2007 to me is more of a "test" with minimal loss or shld say projected loss.

Major wear and tear happens around 4 to 5 years. If you are getting the 2012, most likely the wear and tear parts not change. You end up paying for it. For the 2007, it's end of life and most likely can tahan for another few month.

I would still go for the 2012 as it is a higher spec model (should be the QV spec). So make you get some black and white from dealer on these wear and tears items. Read up on lemon law too.

[Theoldjaffa]

Thank u for the detailed breakdown. M so used to hearing a lot of negative feedback n discouragement of tis choice. M contemplating a 2012 or a 2007 still. 2007 to me is more of a "test" with minimal loss or shld say projected loss.

 

i agree with Matt. buy 2012 model.

 

it has better brakes, lower suspension, nicer wheels, nicer interior trim, Q2 electronic LSD, nicer steering wheel and maybe a more updated engine and gearbox firmware if there's such a thing.

[Flo123]

Ok thank u @matt156c and @theoldjaffa for your valuable advise.

[AlfaBeast]

There are a few big ticket items that tend to fail right after one purchase a used car ....

 

1) selespeed

2) clutch

3) engin gasket/ seal

4) radiator hose

5) Engine mount

6) starter motor

7) drive shaft

8) prop shaft if Q4

9) fuel pump

 

That all I can think of but should be more ..

Hope I did not scare you from buying a Alfa ....

Pardon me if my questions may sound very unwise.

 

Are the items you have listed above considered within the range of Lemon Law?

Is selespeed part of the gearbox?

What about actuator & clutch?

[Matt156c]

Pardon me if my questions may sound very unwise.

 

Are the items you have listed above considered within the range of Lemon Law?

Is selespeed part of the gearbox?

What about actuator & clutch?

Hi Alfa Beast,

 

To be honest, I am not sure about what lemon law covers. Some of my friends which bought used Alfa experience breakdown right after taken delivery of the car. Went back to dealer and ask to co share the repair bills. Some were successful some not. Even thought the car was send to a workshop for inspection.

 

Like I said, workshop can't detect failure in advance, especially internal wear and tear (fuel pump, clutch, selespeed .....).

 

So my advice is that you workout these issue with the dealer. Ask them what happen if this happen. Ask for black and white if you decides to buy.

 

There are a few component in the sillyspeed. Actuator and pump are part of it. They act as a mean to help you change gear without using the clutch pedal.

 

There is a gearbox if you don't already know

[Hibeam2]

Pardon me if my questions may sound very unwise.

 

Are the items you have listed above considered within the range of Lemon Law?

Is selespeed part of the gearbox?

What about actuator & clutch?

 

Better don't depend on the 2nd hand dealers to replace items under the lemon law.

Many can't be bothered once the car is sold.

Best way is to go to a alfa specialist for pre-purchase evaluation and fix the items before paying them the full sum.

 

Otherwise, tell them you are buying "As is" and shave another few thousand dollars from the agreed price.

[Theoldjaffa]

Pardon me if my questions may sound very unwise.

 

Are the items you have listed above considered within the range of Lemon Law?

Is selespeed part of the gearbox?

What about actuator & clutch?

The selespeed is the name of the gearbox. It is an automated sequential single clutch manual gearbox.

 

The action of clutching in and out is not done by our foot via a clutch pedal; rather it's done via mechatronics. The actuator is like the "leg".

 

Lemon law is very subject to interpretation. Basically for used items, my take is caveat emptor.

 

Have to cut some slack to the dealers. When they take in cars, they may not know if there's inherent problems and when they find out, they can't invoke lemon law on the ex owner who traded it in to them also.

Edited January 20, 2017 by Theoldjaffa

[AlfaBeast]

Hello everyone, 

 

Thank you all for your quick and patient response on my questions. 

 

As this is the first time I am purchasing a vehicle and it being an Alfa, makes me feel the need to ensure clarity on all expected issues that may arise with this car. 

 

I have gone for a vehicle inspection today after placing a deposit on the car. 

Turns out, the car has a few issues that needs to be resolved. 

 

I hope that you guys can advise me on how I should go about these and the severity of each part that requires rectification. Also, hope you guys can advise on the expected repair costs. 

 

1. Engine timing cover gasket & oil seal leaking engine oil

2. Bypass pipe & radiator top hose leaking

3. Upper arm LHS worn out

4. Engine mounting top RHS worn out

5. Engine warning light: Exhaust Phase Sensor, Intake Phase Sensor and/or Timing Chain

 

What are the major parts that I should pay close attention to and what can be ignored till a later date to rectify them?

 

Look forward to all your kind advise.

Thank you for the great support!! 

Hope to meet you guys one day once I have confirmed ownership of the vehicle!! 

[Theredstar]

Hello everyone,

 

Thank you all for your quick and patient response on my questions.

 

As this is the first time I am purchasing a vehicle and it being an Alfa, makes me feel the need to ensure clarity on all expected issues that may arise with this car.

 

I have gone for a vehicle inspection today after placing a deposit on the car.

Turns out, the car has a few issues that needs to be resolved.

 

I hope that you guys can advise me on how I should go about these and the severity of each part that requires rectification. Also, hope you guys can advise on the expected repair costs.

 

1. Engine timing cover gasket & oil seal leaking engine oil

2. Bypass pipe & radiator top hose leaking

3. Upper arm LHS worn out

4. Engine mounting top RHS worn out

5. Engine warning light: Exhaust Phase Sensor, Intake Phase Sensor and/or Timing Chain

 

What are the major parts that I should pay close attention to and what can be ignored till a later date to rectify them?

 

Look forward to all your kind advise.

Thank you for the great support!!

Hope to meet you guys one day once I have confirmed ownership of the vehicle!!

Wah. How much discount they giving u?

[AlfaBeast]

Wah. How much discount they giving u?

 

Alamak, why you "Wah"? 

Very bad?

 

They have only agreed to fix up the engine mounting and rear RHS window regulator. 

Other than that, we have to settle the rest ourselves. 

 

Is there other workshops that anyone can recommend for me to visit to fix up the other parts?

Especially no. 1 & 2? 

Looking for possibly cheaper alternatives but has to be trustworthy at the same time. 

[Matt156c]

Hello everyone,

 

Thank you all for your quick and patient response on my questions.

 

As this is the first time I am purchasing a vehicle and it being an Alfa, makes me feel the need to ensure clarity on all expected issues that may arise with this car.

 

I have gone for a vehicle inspection today after placing a deposit on the car.

Turns out, the car has a few issues that needs to be resolved.

 

I hope that you guys can advise me on how I should go about these and the severity of each part that requires rectification. Also, hope you guys can advise on the expected repair costs.

 

1. Engine timing cover gasket & oil seal leaking engine oil

2. Bypass pipe & radiator top hose leaking

3. Upper arm LHS worn out

4. Engine mounting top RHS worn out

5. Engine warning light: Exhaust Phase Sensor, Intake Phase Sensor and/or Timing Chain

 

What are the major parts that I should pay close attention to and what can be ignored till a later date to rectify them?

 

Look forward to all your kind advise.

Thank you for the great support!!

Hope to meet you guys one day once I have confirmed ownership of the vehicle!!

I have to give you not just 1 but 2 thumbs up. First car and you choose a used Alfa. May God blessed you.

 

Without going into details, I will give a $4k or more to fix all the issues.

 

I would make the dealer resolve all the fault before buying.

 

Can I know the year and km the car?