Singapore 'disappointed' with 'irresponsible report'

[Evillusion]

We should learn from Thailand then... Adopt the willow tree strategy. Just bend according to the wind direction.

 

PS. We are also disappointed with Shitty Times reporting.

dowan lar......thailand is like the biggest whorehouse in town all can come and use...

[Hydrocarbon]

Not likely. I understand a lot of people has prejudice against China, but if Singapore needs to choose an Ally perhaps China is a better choice. They might be arrogant and straight talking but at least their stand has always been the same. US on the other hand depends very much on who is governing the country at that moment. 

 

Just like in business: will you rather prefer a customer who gives strict requirements but rewards when you can accomplish it? Or a customer who sweet talks but the requirements always changing when they have a change in management and therefore cannot pay you because you did not meet current requirements although you did meet previous ones? 

 

While I do agree with your thoughts, China hasn't been the best of friends with Singapore either. @somewhat1975 commented on Suzhou Industrial Park..

 

Anyway, if Trump wins, and screws up the world, who we be friends with might not be our choice anyway. Haha

 

I'm really hoping he doesn't win...

[mersaylee]

Don't understand this part.

 

我注意到您的信中有一个细节，就是承认不结盟首脑会议主席国委内瑞拉拒绝新加坡的要求，对方为什么拒绝呢，拒绝了什么具体表述呢？您回避了，只是强调对方做得不对。其实《环球时报》文章就是对这个您没有说的情节和原因的展开。

Copy and paste onto Google translation and you may get this - let's mate, dude.

 

Aiyo...that editor in chief might have gotten a cut down or a loss in translation process version before he wrote his article...or simply politically warped to stir shit or boost readership. Too many possibilities.

 

Our 罗兄 and that 老人chair clearly stated their stands in the attached statements...

 

龙哥 is in Japan....right? His last "personal" visit to ROC also caused upsets in the middle Kingdom...

 

Just another storm in the tea cup. Have a sip and move on...we just yumsheng with them recently to celebrate 50 yrs of ties.

 

So, all is good...for now.

[inlinesix]

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Spokesperson from China Foreign Ministry

新加坡声称南海有关报道不符合事实 中方回应：事实很清楚

09-27 16:02 环球网

　　【环球网综合报道】9月27日,外交部发言人耿爽主持例行记者会。相关内容如下:

　　问:据中方媒体报道,在日前结束的第17次不结盟运动首脑会议中,新加坡等极个别国家不顾众多国家明确反对,坚持要求在会议成果文件中强化涉南海内容。新方近日表示有关报道不符合事实,毫无依据。请问中方对此有何评论?

　　答:我们注意到媒体有关报道。不结盟运动并非讨论南海问题合适场合,其会议成果文件应根据不结盟运动长期坚持的协商一致原则,体现所有成员国的共识。事实很清楚,极个别国家坚持要求在成果文件中片面渲染有关涉南海内容,但这并没有得到不结盟运动绝大多数成员国的认同,有关内容也没有反映包括中方在内的南海问题相关方的共识。

　　在中国和东盟国家的共同努力下,当前南海形势正朝着积极方向发展。中方希望有关国家切实尊重中方立场和与东盟国家达成的有关共识,秉持客观公正立场,为中国一东盟关系健康稳定发展和南海问题妥善处理做出建设性的贡献。

 

Mr Loo Reply:

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新加坡驻华大使罗家良再次致函反驳《环球时报》总编辑胡锡进

（联合早报网讯）新加坡驻华大使罗家良今天（28日）凌晨第二次致函中国《环球时报》，回应该报总编辑胡锡进对他第一次致函的回复，并重申该报的报道不实。罗家良指出，此事件的关键在于《环球时报》于2016年9月21日刊登的报道，并没准确地报道近日不结盟运动峰会的会议过程。他在信中指，《环球时报》并没有参加相关会议，其信息仅依赖于匿名的消息来源。相反的，新加坡是不结盟运动的成员国，全程参与了峰会的讨论。因此，罗家良阐述的事实，可参照公开记录验证。

罗家良也指胡锡进“误解”了他之前的回复，他澄清，不结盟运动峰会主席国并没有拒绝新加坡的要求，而是不合规矩地拒绝了亚细安要求以亚细安共识更新有关东南亚地区段落的内容。鉴于此，老挝以亚细安主席国的身份向委内瑞拉外交部长致函，对于不结盟运动最终文件中涉及东南亚的部分表示保留意见并要求记录在案。

罗家良指出，对于他之前回复中所附上的亚细安主席国的信函，胡锡进一字未提。在此，他重新附上此信，以便胡锡进关注。
 
针对胡锡进27日批评新加坡在南中国海课题上的立场。罗家良指出，这些与《环球时报》报道的真伪性毫无关联。他申明，新加坡一贯坚持明确和原则性的立场，新加坡领导已经在多个场合向中国领导阐明立场。新中的立场虽然不完全一致，但也不是对立的。因此，双方必须互相了解彼此的立场，求同存异，并且朝双方扩大共同利益的方向前进。

他也再次要求《环球时报》将他于9月26日的信函，包括其附录部分（亚细安主席国的信函），全文刊登在最初刊登其报道的《环球时报》印刷版。“这是为了让读者能够全面、准确地了解事实真相，以确保诚信、专业、客观和公正”。

《环球时报》中文版21日刊登题为“不结盟运动首脑会闭幕，新加坡不顾反对妄提南海仲裁”的报道，指新加坡本月17日和18日在委内瑞拉举行的第17届不结盟运动峰会中，在最终文件的磋商过程中“执意要求塞入”为菲律宾南中国海仲裁案背书的内容，“企图强化成果文件涉南海内容”。

罗家良26日致函《环球日报》，指上述报道中有关新加坡在峰会上的言行的内容“不符事实和毫无依据”，并表示“我们对于一家主

流媒体竟然刊登这篇罔顾事实、充斥着胡编乱造和无稽之谈的不负责任文章感到失望”。胡锡进27日做出反驳。罗家良28日凌晨再次回应。(《联合早报》北京特派员游润恬报道)

 

[Passion]

Singapore tried to be a friend for both US and China. If China is not happy about that and try to force Singapore to take side, the decision is no brainer and it won't be China.

I'll choose China pretty XMM, shave their armpit hair and bang them, be friendly with them and then go to US and brother brother with them and get their protection.

 

Joke aside, I'll not choose to side China if given a choice. Don't feel great to be associated with AMDK, but I do feel lose face if associated with PRC, mainly due to their mannerism etc.

[Volvobrick]

dowan lar......thailand is like the biggest whorehouse in town all can come and use...

Edited September 28, 2016 by Volvobrick

[Spinelli_ck]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/un-ga-president-mistakes-female-indian-minister-112527553.html

 

   

[Tkseah]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/un-ga-president-mistakes-female-indian-minister-112527553.html

 

   

 

Vivian is a girl name mah..

[Xefera]

This Global Times editor-in-chief is also quite a character. He is known for his aggressive editorial tone and likened as China's "Trump" by some.

 

Lets see how this ding-dong will evolve while enjoying a cup of tea 

[1fast1]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/un-ga-president-mistakes-female-indian-minister-112527553.html

 

That is beyond f'in awesome.

[A_korusawa]

in recent invitation for a state dinner in us, pingy was just being used as a reminder to their fellow congressmen that popular vote is just vote, and not actions into mending the tpp which was so difficult to be signed-off for the obvious reasons...

 

and pingy's visit to abe obviously pissed off the ah tiongs, not realizing how vulnerable we are now in the economic downturn.....

 

what pisses us most is no reply from ah tiong's foreign affairs boss instead saying that the 2 countries should understand and respect each other's core interests.

then why their paper can publish what the country's opposition as the source of this report leh !

 

obviously, pingy will not be ball enuff to sue the paper as he normally does.

 

looks like it's gonna be a suckthumb for pingy for the time being . . . . 

at least until nov . . . . .

 

sama sama; pingy also angkat with 2:30 in recent asean meet, not forgetting 2:30 did not show any regret or against the burning of our flag during his campaign.....

 

we oso kana no-face when thai police refused to handover that canadian robber mahhhh.

 

actually, we were even bullied left-right-up-down bso many times by the indons; the last was that finance chao charbo; she even flagged tharmu's name as not to interfere with her tax policy into our homeland !!!

 

its only we agree to pay 100% for the hsr train to iskandar, plus being guarrantor to ahjib's loan from ah tiong that simmer down the heat bet. the 2 countries only mahhh (recent noices on the water, vep, 1mdb etc.)

 

so far, our best pal is still with the royals . . . . brunei & johor

 

 

beri beri difficult neighbours nowadays, sigh . . . . .

 

 

[Oblong]

1. seriously,I don't know how many readers in this forum know 中宣部, the old skool party propaganda hierarchy， political infighting prior to prep for nineteen big.

And the bosses behind the new mouthpieces, the significance of 财新， 澎湃，多维.

Global times has always been a small fry and has little influence. Their readers are 愤愤. either vivi (or his boss) wants to make a mountain out of a molehill or pingy made some wrong chess moves and doing corrective actions.

do note that, 攻乎异端，斯害也已

 

 

2. either people side step, do a crossover, faked and our scholars broke some ankles,

or our local machiam strategy master wannabe act like yoda and distract/ gather the lemmings

 

3

商人重利轻别离

henchmen groomed and cloned with marlboro dna. when a person sleeps near a pimp for long, spreading the legs is not a shameful act but a rational decision. a ruthless pragmatist will always maintain the end justifies the means.

 

 

some random thoughts, may not be a quality answer, but this is mcf2016. why bother? drink yakult, be merry.

[Wishcumstrue]

1. seriously,I don't know how many readers in this forum know 中宣部, the old skool party propaganda hierarchy， political infighting prior to prep for nineteen big.

And the bosses behind the new mouthpieces, the significance of 财新， 澎湃，多维.

Global times has always been a small fry and has little influence. Their readers are 愤愤. either vivi (or his boss) wants to make a mountain out of a molehill or pingy made some wrong chess moves and doing corrective actions.

do note that, 攻乎异端，斯害也已

 

 

2. either people side step, do a crossover, faked and our scholars broke some ankles,

or our local machiam strategy master wannabe act like yoda and distract/ gather the lemmings

 

3

商人重利轻别离

henchmen groomed and cloned with marlboro dna. when a person sleeps near a pimp for long, spreading the legs is not a shameful act but a rational decision. a ruthless pragmatist will always maintain the end justifies the means.

 

 

some random thoughts, may not be a quality answer, but this is mcf2016. why bother? drink yakult, be merry.

 

Every country garment has their own propaganda dept and Singapore is no exception.

Problem with propaganda, is like spreading falsehood or misinformation, informed people will see through the ruse over time when action does not match the words.

 

For e.g, our PM Lee once made a speech during his 2012 visit to the PRC at CCP's Central Party School in Beijing.

https://www.mfa.gov.sg/content/mfa/media_centre/singapore_headlines/2012/201209/news_20120907.html

 

In that speech, he made 2 key points:

Singapore is "is neutral and takes no sides in this (South China Sea) dispute

Singapore wants the disputes be managed "responsibly and peacefully"

 

So I am not surprised our gov will get hypersensitive when a China media accused it of trying to put SCS dispute into the NAM agenda..which it failed.

 

So there is a little history behind the latest rebuttal and counter rebuttal between the official and media positions from both sides.

 

Drinking Yakult and be merry is the easy part. The challenge is to avoid drinking expired Yakult and having to suffer for not keeping up with the event.

 

[Wishcumstrue]

 

http://newsapi.time.huanqiu.com/data/hqsbwap/2016/09/27/cms_1854827019912192.html?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0

 

Spokesperson from China Foreign Ministry

新加坡声称南海有关报道不符合事实 中方回应：事实很清楚

09-27 16:02 环球网

　　【环球网综合报道】9月27日,外交部发言人耿爽主持例行记者会。相关内容如下:

　　问:据中方媒体报道,在日前结束的第17次不结盟运动首脑会议中,新加坡等极个别国家不顾众多国家明确反对,坚持要求在会议成果文件中强化涉南海内容。新方近日表示有关报道不符合事实,毫无依据。请问中方对此有何评论?

　　答:我们注意到媒体有关报道。不结盟运动并非讨论南海问题合适场合,其会议成果文件应根据不结盟运动长期坚持的协商一致原则,体现所有成员国的共识。事实很清楚,极个别国家坚持要求在成果文件中片面渲染有关涉南海内容,但这并没有得到不结盟运动绝大多数成员国的认同,有关内容也没有反映包括中方在内的南海问题相关方的共识。

　　在中国和东盟国家的共同努力下,当前南海形势正朝着积极方向发展。中方希望有关国家切实尊重中方立场和与东盟国家达成的有关共识,秉持客观公正立场,为中国一东盟关系健康稳定发展和南海问题妥善处理做出建设性的贡献。

 

 

 

I also notice the Singapore ambassador choose to reply to the Global Time editor while avoid making any direct comment to PRC's MOFA spokes person statement which essentially takes the same line hinting some countries was trying to create an issue during recent NAM meet.

 

http://news.sina.com.cn/c/nd/2016-09-27/doc-ifxwevmc5671051.shtml

 

 

Another notable missing part in the ambassador's rebuttal to GT's 27 Sep article which accuses Singapore not being honest with its words by allowing US spy planes and LCS to operate from its territory..Stanley instead wanted GT to reproduce his statement in full it site.

 

Clearly, China has growing mistrust with Singapore.

 

GT reply to ambassador Stanley Loh (27 Sep)

http://w.huanqiu.com/r/MV8wXzk0OTAwMzZfMTM4XzE0NzQ5NTQzODA=

...此外,新加坡此前还接受美国在你们的基地部署濒海战斗舰和P-8反潜侦察机,谁都知道它们是对付中国的。新加坡的这些做法损害了中国利益.....

 

US P-8 spy plane deployed to Singapore

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35036220

 

Edited September 28, 2016 by Wishcumstrue

[Evillusion]

Then we all become..... tortoise heads????

Making money from sinful activities.

i dowan that kind of money...but i can be QC for the 1st piece .....

[Victor68]

There is no good or bad guys out there. We are on our own and we unfortunately need everybody help.

 

Dont read too much into all these reports. They are bias and write according to their owner instruction.

 

End of the day. Who are we and how are we able to influence anything even for SEA?

[Somewhat1975]

I also notice the Singapore ambassador choose to reply to the Global Time editor while avoid making any direct comment to PRC's MOFA spokes person statement which essentially takes the same line hinting some countries was trying to create an issue during recent NAM meet.

 

 

Because the spoke person was correct in the sense of wording his used.

 

Global times accused SG for bringing up South China sea tribunal.

This spoke person said some countries trying to 渲染有关涉南海内容

see the subtle differences? 

Singapore ambassador said ASEAN countries represented by Loas tried to add certain south China sea statement into NAM official record. 

 

The statement was a call to  solve all sovereignty and territorial disputes in the South China Sea by peaceful means, without resorting to  force and/or the threat to use force, in accordance with the universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of  the Sea and the Charter of the United Nations. 

 

You can see that the China spoke person has carefully chose his word to ambiguously tell the truth and at the same time gave an impression that he agreed with Global times.

[Kusje]

Why talk so much?

 

Might makes right.

 

I've never understood why countries even bother to try to justify their actions when everyone knows it is a load of bulls**t anyway.

Edited September 29, 2016 by Kusje