Dfx16 6th Gear February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 (edited) most story portrait duo er gun as the bad guy in qing history. but this drama show a very different view. i like alot Not bad drama but story-line too lovely dovey for my like My most prefer drama is, i might had watched over and over again for more then 5 times Edited February 16, 2017 by Dfx16 ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picnic06-Biante15 Supersonic February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Out of four, three are historical, one is fictional. I'm more fascinated by 西施. Sent to 吳王, leading to the elimination of his empire. 多少英雄只愛美人,不愛江山。 I don't think so that one was fictional ..... If not our LTA will not name our street name as "Simei" aka 'Four Beauty' .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angcheek Hypersonic February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 He was not killed by 汉武帝。汉武帝 was very sad and built a smiliar mountain beside his tomb resembling the area where he defeated the 匈奴. not directly ... but his death was due to 汉武帝 。 I think kana 诛灭九族 li zhicheng chop off wu san gui father head, and force his hand i think . but i think even if qing soldier dun come in, ming also fall into li zhi cheng hand. but watch too much drama and novel, some story its they fight over a woman, forget the name chen yuan yuan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaloryalor 5th Gear February 16, 2017 Author Share February 16, 2017 not directly ... but his death was due to 汉武帝 。 I think kana 诛灭九族 chen yuan yuan You mean 霍去病 kanna 灭九族? No, in fact 霍去病's brother 霍 光 (if I got the name correctly) became the close officer of Han Wu di. He even became important officer to support Han Wu Di's son. 袁崇煥 is Cantonese, to motivate his troops before every fight, he will shout "屌哪媽,硬頂上!". Something like KNNBPCB. Hahaha.. This in interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaloryalor 5th Gear February 16, 2017 Author Share February 16, 2017 Talking about 灭九族. There is one guy in the history kanna 灭十族。 Means his friends also kanna killed He is 方孝孺. He supported the 建文帝 (Zhu Yuang Zhang's grandson) and dun surrender to the 朱棣 and challenged him. 朱棣 got angry and he kanna 灭十族! 當時方孝孺已經是名聞天下的第一大儒,其學識品德為四海所稱頌。朱棣起兵時,其謀士姚廣孝曾對他說,“城破之日方孝孺是決不會投降的,但萬萬不能殺他,否則天下讀書種子(能承先啟後的讀書人)將會滅絕。”朱棣點頭答應[19]。其實,朱棣也有意借用方孝孺的威信來收攬人心,所以當燕軍攻破南京後,朱棣屢次派人到獄中向方孝孺招降,希望由他撰寫新皇帝即位的詔書。方孝孺堅決不從[20]。隨後朱棣強行派人押解方孝孺上殿,方孝孺披麻帶孝而入,悲慟至極,哭聲響徹大殿[21]。 朱棣上前安慰方孝孺,告訴他惠帝已死,並勸他輔助自己即位,就像周公輔佐成王一樣。方孝孺厲聲質問朱棣:「那成王(意指惠帝)在哪?」朱棣稱惠帝已經自焚。方孝孺继续质问:“那為何不立成王的兒子(意指惠帝的兒子)為君呢?”朱棣答道:“國賴長君。”方孝孺继续追问:“为何不立皇弟呢?”朱棣则称:“此朕家事。”并命人将筆墨投到方孝孺面前,声称:“詔天下,非先生草不可。”強迫他寫詔書[22]。方孝孺接過筆,寫上「燕賊篡位」幾個字後,即擲筆於地,罵道:「死即死耳,诏不可草。」朱棣見方孝孺寧死不屈,即威脅道:「汝不顧九族矣!」方孝孺義無反顧地斥責說:「便十族奈我何!」朱棣怒不可遏,命人把其押赴集市施以腰斬[23][24][25]。據民間流傳,方孝孺被刑後,仍以手指沾血,連寫十四個字,和一個未寫完的「篡」字,讓明成祖大受驚駭,深怕方孝孺日後會來找他索命。據一些道教的勸善書中提到,方孝孺正義耿直,深受閻王鬼卒判官[需要消歧义]敬重,甚至擔任包拯的文判官。明成祖駕崩前的某日夢遊地府,見方孝孺和景清,大懼,想趁機醒來以脫離此夢境,但是就是無法遂願,只能見方孝孺、景清和被其在篡位後誅殺的王公將相向他索命。明成祖醒後自此驚懼終日,直到駕崩。 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angcheek Hypersonic February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 You mean 霍去病 kanna 灭九族? No, in fact 霍去病's brother 霍 光 (if I got the name correctly) became the close officer of Han Wu di. He even became important officer to support Han Wu Di's son. Hahaha.. This in interesting. Not 霍去病 . He died so young . another general. He went to fight the 匈奴 , 3000 vs 50,000 , something like that. He lost and surrendered to 匈奴 . The king was embarrassed bec of his surrender and 灭九族 the general family. The general only learnt of this news years later and decided not to return to Han. Talking about 灭九族. There is one guy in the history kanna 灭十族。 Means his friends also kanna killed He is 方孝孺. He supported the 建文帝 (Zhu Yuang Zhang's grandson) and dun surrender to the 朱棣 and challenged him. 朱棣 got angry and he kanna 灭十族! It was bec of a conspiracy to dethrone the king Judy ... sure kana jialiat jialiat . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuan 6th Gear February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Dont forget, qing like yuan are foreigners in han ren's eyes. I bet they rather let li rule than let foreigner rule again. The Qings, who were indirect descendants of the Yuans, led by Dorgon, otherwise known as the "Imperial Father" of Shunzhi Emperor, took efforts to "employ" former Ming officials who are Chinese to serve in Qing's courts. This was done before as early as the reign of Hong Taiji, Emperor Shunzhi's father. However, Dorgon further expounded his efforts (such as keeping the Chinese officials and re-starting the imperial exams) and these partially smoothened Qing's rule in China than the Yuan. Of course, Dorgon's subsequent "hair and queue" policy to the rest of the male Chinese population wasn't a popular choice. His brother, Dodo massacred the entire Chinese population of a certain big Chinese city doesn't even help. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuan 6th Gear February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 I thought the cause of 霍去病's death was sickness, but then again, the cause of death wasn't historically documented. (司马迁 must have slept over this one). IMHO, the classical case (where one is killed after winning the war for the Emperor) should go to 韩信. Huo Qubing was infected with a contagious sickness (I think) out in the battlefield and died shortly after. Perhaps that is why this was not well recorded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuan 6th Gear February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 Talk about 汉武帝,coming to my mind are 卫青, 霍去病, 李广,苏武. And also Huo Guang. Possibly the only man in Chinese history in the name of Regent ("Dasima" and "Da jiang jun") to dethrone an "Emperor" and enthrone another "Emperor". No Han Chinese official, to date (till end of dynastic rule in China) has ever done it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaloryalor 5th Gear February 16, 2017 Author Share February 16, 2017 The Qings, who were indirect descendants of the Yuans, led by Dorgon, otherwise known as the "Imperial Father" of Shunzhi Emperor, took efforts to "employ" former Ming officials who are Chinese to serve in Qing's courts. This was done before as early as the reign of Hong Taiji, Emperor Shunzhi's father. However, Dorgon further expounded his efforts (such as keeping the Chinese officials and re-starting the imperial exams) and these partially smoothened Qing's rule in China than the Yuan. Of course, Dorgon's subsequent "hair and queue" policy to the rest of the male Chinese population wasn't a popular choice. His brother, Dodo massacred the entire Chinese population of a certain big Chinese city doesn't even help. What is the hair and queue policy? Is it "留发不留头,留头不留发"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beregond Supersonic February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 What is the hair and queue policy? Is it "留发不留头,留头不留发"? from record , and documentary, qing have some of the best emperor in china history , esp the first few 1. there is a saying, the normal ppl, lao bai xing, dun care who is emperor, as long as there is no war, and food on the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaloryalor 5th Gear February 16, 2017 Author Share February 16, 2017 from record , and documentary, qing have some of the best emperor in china history , esp the first few 1. there is a saying, the normal ppl, lao bai xing, dun care who is emperor, as long as there is no war, and food on the table. Correct la. To general public food and no war most important. However, the Qing is different race, Qing gov using shave hair to see the ppl loyalty. So some avoided by becoming monk and some stayed in deep forest (read from some where). I like Kang Xi Emperor. Not because of JY novel. hahaha.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaloryalor 5th Gear February 16, 2017 Author Share February 16, 2017 The Qing people are the Manchus, descendants of the Jurchens or Jin (Wanyan), not the Yuan (Kublai Khan) who are the Mongols. But you're right that they use Ming officials. 皇太極 Hong Taiji was smarter, more ambitious and wiser than 李志成 Li Zhicheng. Between the two, many Ming officials prefer the Qing rule after seeing how Li Zhicheng looted and raped Beijing city. However, the massacre of Suzhou that followed the pigtail policy changed all the positive impression. If Li Zhicheng was smart, he would have replicated Liu Bang's 【約法三章】to reinstate confidence and stability in Beijing city first. This will have repercussions to the rest of the country and lay the path for him to become emperor. Other Ming officials will have confidence in him and lend their support. But he did the opposite. Loot, rape, capture and kill Ming officials. True, Li ZhiCheng did not control his generals and soldiers when overthrown the Ming emperor. Else he will be the next Zhu Yuan Zhang. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beregond Supersonic February 16, 2017 Share February 16, 2017 True, Li ZhiCheng did not control his generals and soldiers when overthrown the Ming emperor. Else he will be the next Zhu Yuan Zhang. under JY story. first emperor of ming could be zhang wu ji. but he chose beauty over country Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaloryalor 5th Gear February 17, 2017 Author Share February 17, 2017 I feel the 西楚霸王 died very pitiful. He could have killed 刘邦 especially during 鸿门宴 but due to his trust to 刘邦 or yaya attitude he let him go. In the end 乌江自刎. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beregond Supersonic February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 I feel the 西楚霸王 died very pitiful. He could have killed 刘邦 especially during 鸿门宴 but due to his trust to 刘邦 or yaya attitude he let him go. In the end 乌江自刎. my fav vesion 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count-Bracula Twincharged February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 You guys are good! Damn interesting 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icu 6th Gear February 17, 2017 Share February 17, 2017 under JY story. first emperor of ming could be zhang wu ji. but he chose beauty over country No lah.... It's a namesake thingy, he simply doesn't have the balls to take over the country. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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