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Posted 26 May 2017 - 07:54 AM

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:13 AM

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These rating agencies had not won the trust of the community since Lehman days.

Rating was made yesterday but in defiance the Chinese stock market shot up.

In short, many of these rating agencies, many research agencies and several central banks should be arrested for manipulating the market. For the ordinary who does the same would have been arrested long time ago.

We are living on borrowed time. The day the world no longer see any use for the USD, America will fall flat on their face. As it is, the shift of power, both economy and military, had already noving from West to East.
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:57 AM

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Actually the chinese stock market moved up becos liquidity moved from debt to equity.
Just need to be mindful of the huge debt chalked up by the chinese in the last few years.
A downgrade means refinancing pressures due to higher expense.

Thats why ignorance is bliss sometimes. Muayhaha
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:02 AM

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:05 AM

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These rating agencies had not won the trust of the community since Lehman days.

Rating was made yesterday but in defiance the Chinese stock market shot up.

In short, many of these rating agencies, many research agencies and several central banks should be arrested for manipulating the market. For the ordinary who does the same would have been arrested long time ago.

We are living on borrowed time. The day the world no longer see any use for the USD, America will fall flat on their face. As it is, the shift of power, both economy and military, had already noving from West to East.

 

Yes, during sub-prime, a lot of debt rated AA and above by rating agencies went kaput overnight.

 

They are losing their relevance and credibility. A lot of things they say is 马后炮 ....


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:11 AM

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start new thread like this make me moody....knn


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:11 AM

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These rating agencies had not won the trust of the community since Lehman days.

Rating was made yesterday but in defiance the Chinese stock market shot up.

In short, many of these rating agencies, many research agencies and several central banks should be arrested for manipulating the market. For the ordinary who does the same would have been arrested long time ago.

We are living on borrowed time. The day the world no longer see any use for the USD, America will fall flat on their face. As it is, the shift of power, both economy and military, had already noving from West to East.

Any country that threatens to abandon the USD will be bombed out of existence.....

US defence budget going up 10% which is several SAF.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:21 AM

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The death of the US$ is grossly over exaggerated.

 

Simply because there is no alternate currency to take its place?

 

What can take its place? RMB? Euro? Pound? Yen?

 

:D 

 

This one?

 

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:37 AM

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start new thread like this make me moody....knn


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:17 PM

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The death of the US$ is grossly over exaggerated.

Simply because there is no alternate currency to take its place?

What can take its place? RMB? Euro? Pound? Yen?

:D

This one?

Malaysia_1000ringgit_front.jpg

U joking right? MYR definitely has potential to be next reserve currency
It's backed by the most righteous man in the world
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:41 PM

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Actually the chinese stock market moved up becos liquidity moved from debt to equity.
Just need to be mindful of the huge debt chalked up by the chinese in the last few years.
A downgrade means refinancing pressures due to higher expense.

Thats why ignorance is bliss sometimes. Muayhaha

Little of China debt is owned by foreigners. Most of US debts are held by foreigners but backed by their aircraft carriers. So who should be rated higher? This world not so black and white. Damn kelong one.

Used to think China debt issue might come back to haunt them but the Chinese are not stupid.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:47 PM

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U joking right? MYR definitely has potential to be next reserve currency
It's backed by the most righteous man in the world

 

Good point.  

 

People should sell $ and buy RM.

 

I am not one of those people that

 

tell other people to do and never do

 

myself. I am always changing $ for RM.

 

every time when I go JB.  [thumbsup]

 

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:49 PM

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Good point.

People should sell $ and buy RM.

I am not one of those people that

tell other people to do and never do

myself. I am always changing $ for RM.

every time when I go JB. [thumbsup]

:D

I think ppl are already doing that
Explains why MYR getting stronger
Even though najib is trying to keep it low... humble fella

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:07 PM

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Little of China debt is owned by foreigners. Most of US debts are held by foreigners but backed by their aircraft carriers. So who should be rated higher? This world not so black and white. Damn kelong one.

Used to think China debt issue might come back to haunt them but the Chinese are not stupid.



I am not talking about US vs China.
i am talking about corporate debt issuance and the impact of rising rates on the cost of doing business.
Be it US or CHina, Japan, Korea, Africa, Singapore, Australia, all same impact.
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 03:18 PM

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the last time I started a thread on oil price, oil really chui until now leh

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 03:34 PM

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Little of China debt is owned by foreigners. Most of US debts are held by foreigners but backed by their aircraft carriers. So who should be rated higher? This world not so black and white. Damn kelong one.

Used to think China debt issue might come back to haunt them but the Chinese are not stupid.


On this topic, compared to US, who are the biggest borrowers, China is definitely smaller.
However, all these are also due to the fact that USD is still the most widely used currency.
The US basically holds the world ransom on that fact....

As for Chinese debt, there has been huge increasing debt issuance at the corp level.
And ratings also take into consideration of political stability, influence and the USD.

However, i think we should not be too swayed by this ratings.
One notch is still investment grade.
If it is junk, an upgrade also may not do much.

Its kelong as you said. We must decide for ourselves

the last time I started a thread on oil price, oil really chui until now leh


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 03:45 PM

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Size may not give the full picture. What we should look out for is the pace of debt increase. In that regard, other than corp debt, China's consumer debt has also grown very fast over last 5 yrs.. and it's a big risk for slowdown and financial crisis
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 04:02 PM

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when Goldbug create a new thread, you all better diam diam and listen .... [sweatdrop] [shocked]

 

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Little of China debt is owned by foreigners. Most of US debts are held by foreigners but backed by their aircraft carriers. So who should be rated higher? This world not so black and white. Damn kelong one.

Used to think China debt issue might come back to haunt them but the Chinese are not stupid.

the thing is tiong bizman borrowed cheap USD to invest/inflate their bubble when USD interest rate low leh, bet you din noe about this

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 04:16 PM

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I am not talking about US vs China.
i am talking about corporate debt issuance and the impact of rising rates on the cost of doing business.
Be it US or CHina, Japan, Korea, Africa, Singapore, Australia, all same impact.

 

Most of the China corporate debt are domestic debt and they do not use the rating from foreign rating agencies. They have their rating agencies. So the domestic debt will not be affected


Edited by Somewhat1975, 26 May 2017 - 04:24 PM.

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