MQX87511 5th Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 can anyone advise Civic 1.5T and CRV1.5T after 1st-July VES is rebate or surcharge? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 As you mention, you read only........Unlikely LTA will allow such loopholes I read somewhere that some distributors resort to giving small inch rim (think is Audi) in order to comply within certain emission spec. If true, this is so ridiculous that the rule can be overcome by this. Says a lot about the testing standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 I read somewhere that some distributors resort to giving small inch rim (think is Audi) in order to comply within certain emission spec. If true, this is so ridiculous that the rule can be overcome by this. Says a lot about the testing standards. Why ridiculous? You don’t understand it which is why. Emissions are measured in grams per kilometer g/km. Thus the vehicle has to move and propel itself on the road which is the exact usage of the vehicle in relation to exhaust emissions. Tires, wheels, weight, auto transmission all affects the emissions g/km. Of course the car manufacturer can “cheat” by giving smaller wheels and eco tires. But this also affects handling and the size of brakes than can be used. In the end there are trade offs. There is no testing method which can cover all angles. Whatever lines and categories one draws, there will always be corner cases which can slip in between. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfc 5th Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 (edited) Why ridiculous? You don’t understand it which is why. Emissions are measured in grams per kilometer g/km. Thus the vehicle has to move and propel itself on the road which is the exact usage of the vehicle in relation to exhaust emissions. Tires, wheels, weight, auto transmission all affects the emissions g/km. Of course the car manufacturer can “cheat” by giving smaller wheels and eco tires. But this also affects handling and the size of brakes than can be used. In the end there are trade offs. There is no testing method which can cover all angles. Whatever lines and categories one draws, there will always be corner cases which can slip in between. Ok. If this is indeed so, then the car in question should have it documented that it is constrained to the stated rim size that gave it its emission status. The check should form part of the routine vehicle inspection. Same as the ECU which can be re-tune part. People can do anything after purchase but for inspection, have to conform back to original passing spec. You have mentioned correctly that there are so many variables, so all the trouble of doing this to justify a "greener" car is really so? I am not sure. Edited June 23, 2018 by Alfc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 (edited) Ok. If this is indeed so, then the car in question should have it documented that it is constrained to the stated rim size that gave it its emission status. The check should form part of the routine vehicle inspection. Same as the ECU which can be re-tune part. People can do anything after purchase but for inspection, have to conform back to original passing spec. You have mentioned correctly that there are so many variables, so all the trouble of doing this to justify a "greener" car is really so? I am not sure. Tires affect quite some too. Should we also constrain it? Weight of the vehicle too! Edited June 23, 2018 by Mkl22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khng8 4th Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 If you can collect more tax in the name of car lite & going green, why not? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 Whatever figures and test is just pure gimmicks only. Who do not understand that all these are just another way for them to make more money? Simi Green project is all bulls talk only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 what's wrong to collect more money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 Nothing wrong since people are willing to pay. The car industry will not collapse, But if VES causes the ADs to close down and jobs are lost, then its very wrong. what's wrong to collect more money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 (edited) one dealer close shop ... another 2 dealers open shop the market will simply adjust and find its equilibrium car buyers just have to pay more and more only pay more and get smaller and smaller 16-inch wheel Nothing wrong since people are willing to pay. The car industry will not collapse, But if VES causes the ADs to close down and jobs are lost, then its very wrong. Edited June 23, 2018 by Wt_know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 Wheels are small matter. Look at the Elantra. They take out so many features, reduce the specs till OMV about 12K to make more profits. Yet people think its good value for money. This is uniquely singapore one dealer close shop ... another 2 dealers open shop the market will simply adjust and find its equilibrium car buyers just have to pay more and more only pay more and get smaller and smaller 16-inch wheel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selanking 2nd Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 can anyone advise Civic 1.5T and CRV1.5T after 1st-July VES is rebate or surcharge?CRV1.5T price was changed to 10K surcharge from neutral recently. Civic1.5T not sure what going to be after July. that's for the diesel I believeGuess so. Petrol version is new variant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gz0707 4th Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 Wheels are small matter. Look at the Elantra. They take out so many features, reduce the specs till OMV about 12K to make more profits. Yet people think its good value for money. This is uniquely singaporeKomoco is one of the smarter AD. They squeeze omv to under 20k for pricing competitive advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 Wheels are small matter. Look at the Elantra. They take out so many features, reduce the specs till OMV about 12K to make more profits. Yet people think its good value for money. This is uniquely singaporenormal la. it is either reduce features or increase priceuntil no feature can be reduced, price will be increased Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therock Supersonic June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 I read somewhere that some distributors resort to giving small inch rim (think is Audi) in order to comply within certain emission spec. If true, this is so ridiculous that the rule can be overcome by this. Says a lot about the testing standards. Anything to lower emissions. Rims, spoilers and etc grilles play a huge role in the coefficient of drag.. Add some roof rails and your precious FC goes out of the window.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raikko 1st Gear June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 can anyone advise Civic 1.5T and CRV1.5T after 1st-July VES is rebate or surcharge? Civic 1.5T i saw on their pricelist will be Band B - neutral. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DACH Supersonic June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 Civic 1.5T i saw on their pricelist will be Band B - neutral. Good news for those still considering this car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocy Hypersonic June 24, 2018 Share June 24, 2018 Good news for those still considering this car.COE will come down some more ........ those waiting say ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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