12 Thai boys and their football coach went missing in cave

[Mustank]

Happy mountain climbing and caving.

 

Need to eat more ah lians recommended by tianmo...

Hehe

No need shy one . . . sometimes my wife needs, I also help her stuff. Stuff ahh stuff . . . damn tired.

 

But dinner good because the yong tau foo very nice.

I think I am the needy one instead :(

[Jamesc]

 

 

Wah this one so accurate one.

 

Not like this one. Bluff people one.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2018 by Jamesc

[Fitvip]

Thai Navy SEAL posted video of the rescue:https://www.facebook.com/cnninternational/videos/10156531581184641/

 

 

Wah this one so accurate one.

 

Not like this one. Bluff people one.

 

 

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The Thai King presented Robes to the monk!

Wah this one so accurate one.

 

Not like this one. Bluff people one.

 

 

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This one? MH370 still cannot be found!

So there were at least 2 Singaporeans involved in the rescue. Heard on radio - a SG man living in Thailand participated in looking for openings in the hills. He has mountaineering experience. Salute.

They volunteered their services! Respect!

Edited July 12, 2018 by Fitvip

[Camrysfa]

It will take a while for this aspect to be clarified: were the boys conscious or unconscious during the trip out.

 

It is not important as they are already saved – but the true facts of how they were brought out is useful to know.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12087824

 

The schoolboys rescued from a flooded cave system in Thailand were dosed with an anti-anxiety drug to stop them panicking during the terrifying underwater mission, the country's prime minister has admitted.

 

 

The authorities had previously denied the children were drugged but Prayut Chan-o-Cha confirmed that they had been given an anxiolytic "to make them not excited, not stressed".

 

One of the British divers said: "I was told the boys were given a dose of ketamine [a horse tranquilliser often used as a recreational drug] to keep them calm." An American military diver added: "Those kids were proper knocked out."

 

Fernando Raigal, a Spanish diver who took part in the rescue, told the Mail: "The boys were sedated – they were unconscious."

 

But Mr Prayut denied this, saying: "All of the children were conscious during the operation."

Edited July 12, 2018 by Camrysfa

[Othello]

The video the Thai Navy Seals posted seems to contradict Prayut. One shows a boy on a strecher barely moving.

 

Are there more to the truth? Did they start to use the stretchers at Chamber 3?

[Philipkee]

The video the Thai Navy Seals posted seems to contradict Prayut. One shows a boy on a strecher barely moving.

 

Are there more to the truth? Did they start to use the stretchers at Chamber 3?

Maybe the terms are used differently. For the divers, they were unconscious cos they were sedated and not aware of what's happening.

 

For the thai guy the boys were conscious cos they were still able to move, albeit only a little bit.

 

From experience, you will be surprised that the definition of consciousness and unconsciousness is not universally understood.

[Othello]

Maybe the terms are used differently. For the divers, they were unconscious cos they were sedated and not aware of what's happening.

 

For the thai guy the boys were conscious cos they were still able to move, albeit only a little bit.

 

From experience, you will be surprised that the definition of consciousness and unconsciousness is not universally understood.

 

really ah ?   

 

but in that state, it seems that they certainly cannot even walk or wade, not to say dive.

[therock]

Maybe the terms are used differently. For the divers, they were unconscious cos they were sedated and not aware of what's happening.

 

For the thai guy the boys were conscious cos they were still able to move, albeit only a little bit.

 

From experience, you will be surprised that the definition of consciousness and unconsciousness is not universally understood.

+1

Someone who is sedated can talk, move and respond to commands.

 

Unconscious person will not be able to do that. The person may not even respond if you poke them really hard. 

 

BTW ketamine is not only used for horses la...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

[DACH]

[Silver_blade]

 

Boys won't make World Cup final - Fifa

The young footballers had been invited by Fifa to attend the World Cup Final in Moscow on Sunday.

But their attendance was always a long shot, given the health risks they face after spending more than two weeks in a pitch-dark cave.

 

Fifa has just told the BBC that the boys will not be making the match.

Here's what they said:

 

FIFA would like to express its great joy at the news of the rescue of the 12 young footballers and their coach. We would like to convey our profound gratitude to all persons involved in the rescue operation, which unfortunately took the life of one of the divers. Our thoughts are with his family.

 

We have been informed by the Football Association of Thailand that due to medical reasons, the boys will not be in a position to travel to Moscow for the FIFA World Cup final. FIFA's priority remains the health of everyone involved in the operation and we will look into finding a new opportunity to invite the boys to a FIFA event to share with them a moment of communion and celebration.

 

We can also confirm that a meeting with the Football Association of Thailand is scheduled to take place in Moscow around the FIFA World Cup final.

 

They have also been invited by Man U to visit Old Trafford...but some of them, including the coach, are stateless. Therefore no passport...cannot leave Thailand. 

[therock]

They have also been invited by Man U to visit Old Trafford...but some of them, including the coach, are stateless. Therefore no passport...cannot leave Thailand. 

 

One small positive aspect is that their stateless plight has now been highlighted. A silver lining and perhaps the interest in the region will give tourism a boost and give them more resources.

[Tianmo]

if under that kind of a rescue mission, where knocking out the boys mayb safer for everyone, i would have done it if i were in charge.

 

The job is to have everyone out alive. Sometimes some decision hard to make.

[Fcw75]

Precisely, the most important thing is they are brought out safely and alive isn’t it? Isn’t that the priority?

 

One live lost is too many already. No one want another rescuer to lose his life.

Edited July 12, 2018 by Fcw75

[pi3142]

It will take a while for this aspect to be clarified: were the boys conscious or unconscious during the trip out.

 

One of the British divers said: "I was told the boys were given a dose of ketamine [a horse tranquilliser often used as a recreational drug] to keep them calm." An American military diver added: "Those kids were proper knocked out."

 

Fernando Raigal, a Spanish diver who took part in the rescue, told the Mail: "The boys were sedated – they were unconscious."

 

But Mr Prayut denied this, saying: "All of the children were conscious during the operation."

 

One clue.

Richard Harris, the Australian cave diver medical expert who was said by the Thai rescue chief to be the key person for the rescue is a anaesthetist.

 

Hard choices have to be made for a necessary impossible rescue.

Edited July 12, 2018 by pi3142

[kdash]

i dont see any issue with ko-ing the boys for the rescue if it helps in the process (enables the boys to be rescued safely) and there are no major side effects on health. not a hard choice for me.

[Wt_know]

yeah ... most importantly is the outcome

the boys come out ALIVE and no long term effect as you said

it's a blessing for them to "blackout" for the 3-5 hours diving ordeal

else for the rest of their life ... they don't dare to get underwater liao

 

i dont see any issue with ko-ing the boys for the rescue if it helps in the process (enables the boys to be rescued safely) and there are no major side effects on health. not a hard choice for me.

 

Edited July 13, 2018 by Wt_know

[Lala81]

One clue.

Richard Harris, the Australian cave diver medical expert who was said by the Thai rescue chief to be the key person for the rescue is a anaesthetist.

 

Hard choices have to be made for a necessary impossible rescue.

 

actually ketamine is commonly used for kids sedation lah. It's one of the safer agents for kids undergoing anaethesia.

That's why the diver cum anaethetist was the most important man in the oepration.

 

There is some inherent risk with sedation though for example some kids can go to respiratory depression. And also there's no way to monitor the kids during the arduous trip out.

 

But given the conditions, i think it was a reasonable risk to take. 

 

Singaporean diver gives account of the rescue.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/thai-cave-rescue-singaporean-diver-freezing-zero-visibility-10523340

+1

Someone who is sedated can talk, move and respond to commands.

 

Unconscious person will not be able to do that. The person may not even respond if you poke them really hard. 

 

BTW ketamine is not only used for horses la...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

 

not actually correct.

There's light sedation and deep sedation. To put a person into unconsciousness via medical means is also sedation.

[Jman888]

actually ketamine is commonly used for kids sedation lah. It's one of the safer agents for kids undergoing anaethesia.

That's why the diver cum anaethetist was the most important man in the oepration.

 

There is some inherent risk with sedation though for example some kids can go to respiratory depression. And also there's no way to monitor the kids during the arduous trip out.

 

But given the conditions, i think it was a reasonable risk to take. 

 

Singaporean diver gives account of the rescue.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/thai-cave-rescue-singaporean-diver-freezing-zero-visibility-10523340

 

not actually correct.

There's light sedation and deep sedation. To put a person into unconsciousness via medical means is also sedation.

 

 

which mean the boys were able to move/swim/dive on their own?