12 Thai boys and their football coach went missing in cave

[Tianmo]

which mean the boys were able to move/swim/dive on their own? 

 

 

move mayb, swim and dive on their own I dont think so..    

[Jman888]

move mayb, swim and dive on their own I dont think so..    

 

 

actually i was on general anesthesia 6 hours, after the ops i slept for 3 hours then discharge. I remember going home alone but i was like zombie and everything in slow motion, muscle can move and brain function at 30% speed max    

[Fitvip]

The boys were sedated and stretchered out! They did not move by themselves. When they reached the check points, the medics would examine them before they were carried on the way out.

 

 

Edited July 13, 2018 by Fitvip

[Lala81]

which mean the boys were able to move/swim/dive on their own? 

 

Nope. They were stoned. I dunno how ketamine works on lighter doses but it usually knocks out the pt into sleep.

[Ysc3]

the army DR that stayed behind in the cave ... last man to exit.

 

I wonder we got such decorated MO or not har ?

 

[Tianmo]

actually i was on general anesthesia 6 hours, after the ops i slept for 3 hours then discharge. I remember going home alone but i was like zombie and everything in slow motion, muscle can move and brain function at 30% speed max    

 

yours a day one ah? My elder bro had a day surgery, after discharge cannot even walk properly, I think wind blow also drop.  Only until we reach his home then starting to become more normal.  

 

After my ops, when I woke up, cannot even recall how they put the calf squeezer on me.     

 

Really quite powerful. 

[mersaylee]

Nope. They were stoned. I dunno how ketamine works on lighter doses but it usually knocks out the pt into sleep.

Wasn’t there a bottleneck along the way that needed to climb up after removal of tank and then down into the water again? If sedated in capsule or pod, how the two divers able to do it on their own? Or there was a relay of divers and other rescuers from that point to the exit (entrance)?

[Camrysfa]

One clue.

Richard Harris, the Australian cave diver medical expert who was said by the Thai rescue chief to be the key person for the rescue is a anaesthetist.

 

Hard choices have to be made for a necessary impossible rescue.

 

Don't know why Prayut wants the world to know the kids could help themselves while being rescued.

 

Bur rescuers account are different - the boys did not have to swim.

 

I believe more of this version. Salute. what's is important is they got out safely and although drugged, seems to have no side effects.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/world/asia/thailand-cave-rescue-seals.html

 

The 30-strong American team, which was integral to the planning, recommended that each child be confined in a flexible plastic cocoon, called a Sked, which is marketed as a rescue stretcher and is a standard part of the Air Force team’s gear.

 

British cave divers navigated the wrapped boys through the trickiest underwater passages, while monitoring for air bubbles that proved they were breathing.

 

Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha of Thailand said the boys had been given anti-anxiety medication.

 

“They just had to lay there and be comfortable,” said Major Hodges, the leader of the American team.

 

Once the boys completed the underwater portion of their journey, which took around two hours, the going was easier — though still challenging.

 

Navy SEALs formed relay teams to lift the Wild Boars down steep slopes on which every step was slippery.

[therock]

This video says it all..

The narrowest crevice... that is awesome.. 

Imagine being the first man to explore it. That Brit is a superman.

Although he didn't do it for glory or pure enjoyment, this cave system is an Olympic Gold Medal..

He will remember this forever

 

[BanCoe]

yours a day one ah? My elder bro had a day surgery, after discharge cannot even walk properly, I think wind blow also drop. Only until we reach his home then starting to become more normal.

 

After my ops, when I woke up, cannot even recall how they put the calf squeezer on me.

 

Really quite powerful.

Depends on the situation ... for surgery it might be different for just general sedation ..... that’s why they have Specialists called Anesthetists to ‘jaga’ the dosage

[therock]

[Mustank]

乱世出英雄

Chaos time, heros come out

[therock]

乱世出英雄

Chaos time, heros come out

I say that pressure produces diamonds, and good divers eat pressure for breakfast.. :)

[kdash]

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Chaos time, heros come out

时事造英雄 indeed!

[Carbon82]

The humble heros...      They deserved the highlest level of some international awards, as a form of recognition to their hardwork and contribtion to this rescue operation!

 

British diver recalls Thai cave rescue: 'Are we heroes? No'

 

 

Chang Rai, Thailand (CNN) - A British diver who first discovered 12 schoolboys and their coach stranded on a ledge in a flooded cave in Chiang Rai, in northern Thailand, has described the moment he first saw them -- and played down suggestions he was a hero.

 

Retired fireman Rick Stanton and fellow diver John Volanthen found the children deep within the cave nine days after they went missing.

Stanton was speaking at a news conference at Heathrow Airport outside London Friday, alongside fellow British divers Josh Bratchley, Chris Jewell and Connor Roe, Irish diver Jim Warny and cave rescuers Mike Clayton and Gary Mitchell.

 

 

Divers from the Thai cave rescue mission arrive at Heathrow Airport Friday. From left to right: Chris Jewell, Mike Clayton, Rick Stanton, Lance-corporal Connor Rae, Josh Bratchley, Gary Mitchell and Jim Way

 

When asked how they felt when they discovered the young football team alive in the Tham Luang cave complex, Stanton replied: "Initially, of course, excitement, relief that they were still alive. As they were coming down the slope, we were counting them until we got to 13. Unbelievable," he said.

 

"We gave them a little bit of extra light, they still had light, they looked in good health. Then, of course, when we departed, all we could think about was how we were going to get them out. So there was relief, tempered with uncertainty."

 

"The most important thing to have was a full face mask which had been applied inside with positive pressure to enable them to breathe and to be relaxed enough so not to feel any anxiety during the process," he said.

 

"There was a lot of chaos but we were so task-orientated, focused, and we blanked that out and carried on with the job in hand, step by step, until we achieved success."

 

"Are we heroes?" he said. "No, we were just using a very unique skill set, which we normally use for our own interests and sometimes we are able to use that and give something back to the community."

 

Jewell said the diving conditions "were extremely challenging. There was poor visibility and responsibility for another human being's life."

 

"The Thai authorities took a lot of steps to divert rivers on the mountaintop which we believe bought us as lot of time to get this outcome," he said.

 

British diver helped pinpoint boy's location

 

British caver Vern Unsworth, 63, who lives in Chiang Rai, was instrumental in linking up the Thai authorities with the British experts. "I was actually scheduled to go into the cave on June 24 anyway," Unsworth told CNN in an interview in Thailand."I got all my gear ready, and I was going in to do a solo trip just to see what the water levels were like. And I got called out at 2 o'clock Sunday morning, and I was there for the whole 17 days."

 

Unsworth's role in the rescue was also pivotal because of his intimate knowledge of the Tham Luang cave system, which he describes as his "second home" after spending the past six years exploring it.

 

He had been involved in cave rescue operations in the UK before, but "nothing on this scale."

 

It was Unsworth who initally pinpointed where he thought the Wild Boars team would be waiting. They were found 200 meters away from that point, which was "probably around about the best place they could have been," he said.

 

The flooding of the cave could not have been predicted, he said, as the floodwater had come through three to four weeks earlier than last year.

 

"These kids were just totally unlucky. Wrong place, wrong time," he said. "It happened very quick. You can't blame the coach, you can't blame the kids."

 

Race against time

 

In the early days of the search operation, Unsworth said he quickly realized that outside expertise was required, and advised the Thai authorities to bring in specialist cave divers who had dealt with similar rescues in the past.

 

"It was a race against time," he said. "They needed world class divers and that's what we got."

 

He was the first one to suggest calling for help from Volanthen, Stanton and Robert Harper -- who arrived a few days into the search on June 27.

 

"(They went) straight into the cave," Unsworth said. "That's when things started to really happen."

 

Unsworth described how after the euphoria of finding the team, the reality set in of the seemingly impossible task ahead: getting them out of the cave.

 

"Just getting to the dive start point was proving to be very difficult," he told CNN.

 

"You get to a stage where only 200 meters into the cave you hit what we call a sump where the water meets the roof," he says. "So that was making it difficult anyway to get into the system, never mind start from the diver point, which was chamber three."

 

A few days later pumps were brought in to start taking water out of the cave, which along with the low levels of rain that week, helped to lower the water levels as much as possible. But when heavy rains were forecast, the deadline approached for the rescue to begin.

 

"It got to a point where we knew that the weather forecast wasn't going to be too brilliant," he says. "We said we have to get in."

 

Boys sedated

 

The complexities of the cave diving and the dangerous route the divers had to take with the boys -- many of whom don't swim -- meant they decided to sedate the boys so they would "stop panicking" during the rescue, Unsworth says.

 

"It was the only way," he said. "Some of these kids couldn't swim and they'd been put into cold water with wet suits on and full face mask, (which is) alien to them."

 

He added that this would also reduce long-term psychological damage because they won't remember the actual rescue.

 

The next challenge, Unsworth said, was coordination between all the different groups including the Thai Navy SEALs and international volunteers.

 

"They had never been involved in anything like this," he says. "I think it was just communication. It was difficult at times. Sometimes things got misinterpreted."

 

Unsworth said he expected a "high rate of attrition" in terms of the the boys' survival, but added that hopes increased after the first day of the rescue.

 

"Sunday was when the first four came out and they were all strong and nothing really to worry about them," he said.

 

"It gave us hope for the next four and the next five," he says, especially after the "very sad" death of Kunan.

 

The worsening weather added to the concerns among the rescue teams.

 

"The last day was the worst day," Unsowrth said. "The third day you have to get five out, plus four Navy SEALs, and the weather is changing quite rapidly. The water levels did come up on the Tuesday. You could see it happening. You could feel the tension."

 

Chatting to CNN in a leafy café north of Chiang Rai, Unsworth appeared exhausted physically and emotionally, and is still reeling from the outcome of the rescue.

 

"Just to get any of them out alive would have been a miracle. But to get 13 out of 13 ... won't happen again," he says. "(It's the) biggest miracle ever."

 

The fallen hero

 

Thai navy diver Saman Kunan died during the operation while replenishing oxygen canisters.

 

[Sosaria]

The ang moh diver based in Thailand good life, in early 60s, now just do his interests explore cave systems for fun. And a chance to achieve something noteworthy. I think most of us at the same age will be still slogging away for pay cheque! Life here is really like being hamster on a wheel, cannot stop scrambling.

[Jman888]

The ang moh diver based in Thailand good life, in early 60s, now just do his interests explore cave systems for fun. And a chance to achieve something noteworthy. I think most of us at the same age will be still slogging away for pay cheque! Life here is really like being hamster on a wheel, cannot stop scrambling.

You can also retire in Thailand mah.

[Dleodleo]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/thai-cave-rescue-singaporean-diver-freezing-zero-visibility-10523340

 

Our Singaporean diver was involved in the 3rd rescue.

 

 

 

It was a dangerous mission. Above article mentioned:

 

While waiting, he said he could hear loud murmurs from everyone - divers as well as the boys - praying that they will be safe.

 

"I heard different chants and prayers from different religions. But we were all (united) in wanting the operation to be a success," said Mr Yeo.

 

"We had to do everything slowly, meticulously. We moved (the boys) from chamber to chamber, step by step. We wanted no casualties," he said.

Edited July 13, 2018 by Dleodleo