Speed limit 4 PMDs, bicycles to be cut to 10kmh on footpath

[Kklee]

Well, you haven't address how the enforcement to be done. We need detail plan. Not sweeping statements.

 

 

Enforcement just need to outsource,  confirm will have creative solutions.

The hunter becomes the hunted.

[RogerNg_185295]

They will never ban pmd. If they intend to ban, they will not have release the news on speed limits etc....

 

Pmd is here to stay for the long term. There will be more deaths and injuries for these riders.

[inlinesix]

Like I have said, give a deadline for the users and merchants to surrender. By deadline they don't surrender, they will be confiscated immediately if they are caught using it in the public. The police, TP, LTA, NEA, etc will be the ones catching these errant users if they spot all these errant users. particulars will be taken down and a letter for the fine will be sent to them. Or outsource as suggested by some members.

 

Raiding reserves? What does the taxes of COE, petrol taxes, GST, incomes taxes do? If surrender and reimbursement can benefit both the public and users and merchants making wrong decisions using these devices and in the long term create a public good to make pavements safe for anyone, why not? Better than waste money and spending on resources in enforcements that are weak and hard to trace. 

 

 

On 1 hand, you mentioned that enforcement is weak and hard to trace.  On the other hand, you are asking the same govt agency to enforce "confiscate and fine".  Will confiscate and fine be another NATO?

 

How long will the deadline be?

 

 

Killing merchants? There is a time frame for them to get rid of their unsold stock and yes, they will be compensated to a certain limit if they cannot get rid of all their unsold stocks to overseas or whatever means before the deadline. With these enforcement now, they should even start to stop selling these devices now and sell those solely for medically certified use for users with disabilities only and bicycles to diversify their business. They are given time to compensate and restructure their business.

 

What you suggested above is no different from LTA killing NGV cars.  Luckily, merchants don't keep a lot of stocks.  But owner of NGV died cock stand.

 

 

When drugs are banned, why do you still import drugs to sell knowing they will be banned? It is your responsibility to understand the rules and enforcement to be enacted on the products you are selling.

 

What kind of drugs was legal but subsequently illegal in modern days?

 

 

If firecrackers were not banned, your house probably burnt down by your neighbour playing with firecrackers.

 

Did we hear a lot of fire cases in Malaysia related to firecrackers since Malaysia has a lot of attap house?

 

Do you mean that your neighbour will shoot firecrackers into your house?

 

or

 

Your house store a lot of stuff illegally on the corridor?

 

 

If chewing gum is not banned, you will probably stepped on discarded chewing gum on the floor.

 

You mean fellow Singaporean is still so barbaric?

 

 

So need to let a PMD idiot knock you down, then you realise that banning them is better for all, especially since there are already so many cases of errant PMDs hurting people and causing nuisances, with many cases untraceable?

 

My housing estate has very low number of PMD users.  I rarely need to give way to them.

[DACH]

They will never ban pmd. If they intend to ban, they will not have release the news on speed limits etc....

 

Pmd is here to stay for the long term. There will be more deaths and injuries from these riders.

 

You mean from?

 

Depends on how the public uproar is going to be.

Many people are very unhappy with these running around, thereby keep reducing the speed limits and calling for more regulations. 

If the number of accidents and errant and aggressive users still persist, well, why not? 

[RogerNg_185295]

You mean from?

 

Depends on how the public uproar is going to be.

Many people are very unhappy with these running around, thereby keep reducing the speed limits and calling for more regulations.

If the number of accidents and errant and aggressive users still persist, well, why not?

Our govt do not really listen to the public. They do what they think is right for the country

[DACH]

On 1 hand, you mentioned that enforcement is weak and hard to trace.  On the other hand, you are asking the same govt agency to enforce "confiscate and fine".  Will confiscate and fine be another NATO?

 

How long will the deadline be?

 

Looking at how the govt deal with banned products, they are more efficient in catching banned items than enforcing the regulated use. You don't have to worry about them in enforcing bans. Our govt is efficient at this aspect, like it is for firecrackers and chewing gums.

That deadline will depend on how govt look at it for the respective parties' feedbacks, i.e. merchants. 

 

What you suggested above is no different from LTA killing NGV cars.  Luckily, merchants don't keep a lot of stocks.  But owner of NGV died cock stand.

 

That is my point. Don't keep too much stock on items that is going to be regulated. I agree that NG vehicle owners should get some compensation on the govt failed ideas.

 

What kind of drugs was legal but subsequently illegal in modern days?

 

Drugs is an illustration. You want a good example? Chewing gums, sisha. 

 

Did we hear a lot of fire cases in Malaysia related to firecrackers since Malaysia has a lot of attap house?

 

Do you mean that your neighbour will shoot firecrackers into your house?

 

or

 

Your house store a lot of stuff illegally on the corridor?

 

 

You mean fellow Singaporean is still so barbaric?

 

 

My housing estate has very low number of PMD users.  I rarely need to give way to them.

 

Firecrackers were banned in Singapore in the 1970s because of many incidents due to firecrackers. 

While there are many sources of fires, it is better to eliminate as much as we can. 

 

Your area is your area. What about other places?

 

[Datsun366]

On 1 hand, you mentioned that enforcement is weak and hard to trace. On the other hand, you are asking the same govt agency to enforce "confiscate and fine". Will confiscate and fine be another NATO?

 

How long will the deadline be?

 

 

What you suggested above is no different from LTA killing NGV cars. Luckily, merchants don't keep a lot of stocks. But owner of NGV died cock stand.

 

 

What kind of drugs was legal but subsequently illegal in modern days?

 

 

Did we hear a lot of fire cases in Malaysia related to firecrackers since Malaysia has a lot of attap house?

 

Do you mean that your neighbour will shoot firecrackers into your house?

 

or

 

Your house store a lot of stuff illegally on the corridor?

 

 

You mean fellow Singaporean is still so barbaric?

 

 

My housing estate has very low number of PMD users. I rarely need to give way to them.

Why not register PMD users legally with set rules.

 

The problem with Errant PMD users largely is they come from a different social strata. The people we are talking about is very different.

Some of my neighbors will deliberately overturn the neatly parked bicycles because they obstruct the way to the lift landing, while others will puck them up and arrange these bicycles properly.

 

The errant pmds come from groups that cannot afford motorcycles even, with the lower costs even. Some like the Geylang lao bengs cannot get registered usage even. They are enjoying the speeding and freedom from responsibility of PMD. They could not even be able to offer reasonable restitution monetary or otherwise.

 

**These low level worker ants need fast / efficient transport that reduces maintenance costs from the garment.**

 

Atonchia is correct. What happen if a respected MCFer dad was the one killed?

The death is the result of ???

 

What is good for the entire Singaporean group is regulated safe usage of PMD.

 

Firecrackers from regulated manufacturers and recognized distributors, used in a responsible manner is relatively safe. I have seen them being let off in respectable hotels. Quite nice actually.

 

The key is responsibility.

 

That comes from good government which is what we had and were used too. Dunnoe when negligence started and peaked recently with drowning well.

The ludicrious, ridiculous and farcial presentation leaves much query onto the moral standards and ethics. Perhaps it is because having only a few good men/women.

 

We need to get back the strict and good sense.

In the first place, how did PMD gain entry into Singapore Market?

What were the plans or strategies of PMD entrance?

Why was PMD introduction conducted in such a non- Singapore dAd fashion?

Was there any poison pill intent by the promoters of PMDs?

Rudyard Kipling the stuffing out of PMDs.

 

Disappointed. What happened? Distracted because of some crippled escapee? SARs?

 

Hey someone died. Its on us.

[inlinesix]

 

Even with your suggested ban, I am still worry. Illegal e-bike is still on the road.

 

This is 2018. Don't use what works in 70s to illustrate your point.

 

Can't throw rubbish on this island? Ppl go outside Sg and throw.

 

Can't play firecrackers? Ppl go outside and play.

 

Has those fire risk in 70s still there?

Why not register PMD users legally with set rules.

 

The problem with Errant PMD users largely is they come from a different social strata. The people we are talking about is very different.

Some of my neighbors will deliberately overturn the neatly parked bicycles because they obstruct the way to the lift landing, while others will puck them up and arrange these bicycles properly.

 

The errant pmds come from groups that cannot afford motorcycles even, with the lower costs even. Some like the Geylang lao bengs cannot get registered usage even. They are enjoying the speeding and freedom from responsibility of PMD. They could not even be able to offer reasonable restitution monetary or otherwise.

 

**These low level worker ants need fast / efficient transport that reduces maintenance costs from the garment.**

 

Atonchia is correct. What happen if a respected MCFer dad was the one killed?

The death is the result of ???

 

What is good for the entire Singaporean group is regulated safe usage of PMD.

 

Firecrackers from regulated manufacturers and recognized distributors, used in a responsible manner is relatively safe. I have seen them being let off in respectable hotels. Quite nice actually.

 

The key is responsibility.

 

That comes from good government which is what we had and were used too. Dunnoe when negligence started and peaked recently with drowning well.

The ludicrious, ridiculous and farcial presentation leaves much query onto the moral standards and ethics. Perhaps it is because having only a few good men/women.

 

We need to get back the strict and good sense.

In the first place, how did PMD gain entry into Singapore Market?

What were the plans or strategies of PMD entrance?

Why was PMD introduction conducted in such a non- Singapore dAd fashion?

Was there any poison pill intent by the promoters of PMDs?

Rudyard Kipling the stuffing out of PMDs.

 

Disappointed. What happened? Distracted because of some crippled escapee? SARs?

 

Hey someone died. Its on us.

Falcon PEV started biz in 2013.

 

Prior to Active Mobility Act, PMD is illegal. The act was enacted in 2017.

 

Since you guys like rules, we should follow Beijing way:

http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2018/06/07/beijing-e-bikes-will-require-license-drive-limited-speeds-under-15kmh

[DACH]

Even with your suggested ban, I am still worry. Illegal e-bike is still on the road.

 

This is 2018. Don't use what works in 70s to illustrate your point.

 

Can't throw rubbish on this island? Ppl go outside Sg and throw.

 

Can't play firecrackers? Ppl go outside and play.

 

Has those fire risk in 70s still there?

 

The reason why our country is still one of the safest in the world is because what works fundamentally in the past, still works.

And the govt in the past is much efficient and has more foresight than the bunch of clowns currently.

Edited September 7, 2018 by DACH

[inlinesix]

The reason why our country is still one of the safest in the world is because what works fundamentally in the past, still works.

And the govt in the past is much efficient and has more foresight than the bunch of clowns currently.

The only reason Singapore is still one of the safest in the world is SMALL.

 

KNN can let a AMDK robber rob bank and fly to BKK. That's efficiency? Pui!!

 

If we continue to stay in the past, we are stuck. Gostan!!

[DACH]

The only reason Singapore is still one of the safest in the world is SMALL.

 

KNN can let a AMDK robber rob bank and fly to BKK. That's efficiency? Pui!!

 

If we continue to stay in the past, we are stuck. Gostan!!

Small without enforcement, banning of firearms, etc, won't get the country in what is today.

That is what you get when some fundamentals from the past are being destroyed by these incompetencies, a bunch of clowns that can let criminals and terrorist escape to other countries.

[RogerNg_185295]

These clowns won with 70% of the votes. Dun tell me that people who voted for them are clowns too?

The reason why our country is still one of the safest in the world is because what works fundamentally in the past, still works.
And the govt in the past is much efficient and has more foresight than the bunch of clowns currently.

 

[Beanoyip]

In my opinion, PMDs are great tool for travelling, just the insensible ppl who abuse it caused the plight it is in now..

[RogerNg_185295]

As someone mentioned, these people are in a different society class. Their thinking and behaviour is also very different.

In my opinion, PMDs are great tool for travelling, just the insensible ppl who abuse it caused the plight it is in now..

 

[DACH]

These clowns won with 70% of the votes. Dun tell me that people who voted for them are clowns too?

You can put in as clowns fooling these audiences.

As someone mentioned, these people are in a different society class. Their thinking and behaviour is also very different.

Nothing to do with society class. Even Ang mos can ride recklessly fast disregarding other people's safety.

[inlinesix]

You can put in as clowns fooling these audiences.

Nothing to do with society class. Even Ang mos can ride recklessly fast disregarding other people's safety.

The reason AMDK behaves like this here is because of US.

 

If we don't treat them like god, they will behave appropriately.

 

AMDK in China will not dare to chut pattern like here.

[Kklee]

The only reason Singapore is still one of the safest in the world is SMALL.

 

KNN can let a AMDK robber rob bank and fly to BKK. That's efficiency? Pui!!

 

If we continue to stay in the past, we are stuck. Gostan!!

 

Like that, e-bike and e-scooter registration is already gostan.

Just like the dunno what Vocational License for PHV drivers. 

 

It is also like speed warning device (lamp on roof)  of yesteryear - a very good deterrence because it is a legislation.

Can't recall if those heavy vehicle has it.

Environmentally friendly too,  if vehicle running and vehicle is stationary, the lamp will be ON for everyone to see.

That has been thrown out.

Well, tracking is back again, in another form.   Again,  gostan. 

[inlinesix]

Like that, e-bike and e-scooter registration is already gostan.

Just like the dunno what Vocational License for PHV drivers.

 

It is also like speed warning device (lamp on roof) of yesteryear - a very good deterrence because it is a legislation.

Can't recall if those heavy vehicle has it.

Environmentally friendly too, if vehicle running and vehicle is stationary, the lamp will be ON for everyone to see.

That has been thrown out.

Well, tracking is back again, in another form. Again, gostan.

We have nothing go head because we are still stuck in 70s mentality.

 

Everything must have someone to regulate. Cannot self regulate 1.