Reinventing the wheel in the wrong way!

An "automated" manual just doesn't seem right... Just leave the good old manual GB alone.

Free gear downhill? What was Toyota thinking? Where is the engine brake? It is dangerous to coast in free gear downhill. 

Does Toyota place that much faith in their stock brakes? Which for most models tends to fade quickly after a few hard stops... Don't believe? Go do a few hard stops in consecutive order in the new Altis and Camry... see if the brakes still works after that

An "automated" manual just doesn't seem right... Just leave the good old manual GB alone.

I think it died with the auto rev matching thing. That's been there since the 370z, if I'm not mistaken.

U mean rev matching? Rev matching and hill assist kill joy and driving skill.   

I think it died with the auto rev matching thing. That's been there since the 370z, if I'm not mistaken.

U mean rev matching? Rev matching and hill assist kill joy and driving skill.   

Yes. The auto blipping thing.

What I'm alluding to is the fact that the "true manual" has been on the decline for many years. This "auto coasting" thing is hardly the outrage people are making it out to be.

Technically, the decline, if one wants to call it that, began since the synchromesh came on the scene. Before that you *had* to rev match even to get into the right gear.

Post synchro, you no longer had to worry about rev matching for normal driving. It's only if you cared about avoiding unintended weight transfer in tracking/racing that you wanted a smooth shift and had to rev match.

The introduction of auto blipping took even that out of the driver's hands. Technically, one *could* turn that off, but I'll bet the race times would be worse off even for the best pros.

I've more or less given up on chasing the "purist" dream with modern cars. Now I'd rather go for the fastest new tech (DCT/auto) for my main cars. 

But I'm still thinking about getting a nice tossable manual for a fun car on the side. It might have to be the GT86 manual. There is one on sale in SGCM at the moment, but it's more than I'm prepared to spend for an unnecessary extravagance. Maybe when these are older by a few years. I'm in no hurry.

Neutral gear going down hill? No engine brake is like trying to commit suicide. If this gear move from one gear to another gear. It is just like semi auto which use converter. So this is new idea?

Draw snake, add legs.

画蛇添足。

Someone please tell Toyota that the people who would buy a manual gearbox are the exact people who DON'T want this auto-override features.

I did not buy a GR STi (dammit MI offered a 99,800 deal! what a steal) partly because the hill-hold assist pissed me off when it activated at a red-light with a very slight incline.

How can it be still called manual when it automatically shifts to neutral on down hill.