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My encounters with IT outsource ppl:

 

90-99% are FT

 

Pilipino FTs - SLOW SLOW SLOW (everytime have to F*** them to get things done), irresponsible, not efficient, HIGH ego, most dont know a single thing and yet they have a masters degree. To sum up, they are just a lazy bunch of ppl coming here to enjoy life and try to earn gold. (not all of them, but most of them)

 

Indo/MY FTs - Generally better, more responsible and efficient. Especially those with chinese heritage, they have pride in their work.

 

Locals - Wont see them long as they will progress to other areas or moving on to the acounts side. I still prefer dealing with local IT support as they are still the most responsible people out there.

 

This is just from my humble 5 years of working experience. I might be wrong...

 

 

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there are some interesting and valid perspectives on the FTs here.. but i supposed this FTs thingy ain't just going to be restricted to the IT sector/industry.. in fact , for those who move around a lot.. it's not difficult to see FTs everywhere.. from transport , education, retails , sports, IT , bank, finance and even certain gov sectors. so the term IT talents is just a small representation of the entire FT populations. sooner or later, virtually every industry will have FTs taking over the locals- slowly but certainly.

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My encounters with IT outsource ppl:

 

90-99% are FT

 

Pilipino FTs - SLOW SLOW SLOW (everytime have to F*** them to get things done), irresponsible, not efficient, HIGH ego, most dont know a single thing and yet they have a masters degree. To sum up, they are just a lazy bunch of ppl coming here to enjoy life and try to earn gold. (not all of them, but most of them)

 

Indo/MY FTs - Generally better, more responsible and efficient. Especially those with chinese heritage, they have pride in their work.

 

Locals - Wont see them long as they will progress to other areas or moving on to the acounts side. I still prefer dealing with local IT support as they are still the most responsible people out there.

 

This is just from my humble 5 years of working experience. I might be wrong...

There are also good FT's from those countries that you mentioned, but these are rare. Most of them are good on paper only.

 

Locals have some paper but nothing impressive. They lack the proper exposure and most of all the confidence to talk well. But they are responsible and will get the job done by hook or by crook given the chance. For me I'll put my bet on the local guy if they at least meet the job requirements on paper.

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My encounters with IT outsource ppl:

 

90-99% are FT

 

Pilipino FTs - SLOW SLOW SLOW (everytime have to F*** them to get things done), irresponsible, not efficient, HIGH ego, most dont know a single thing and yet they have a masters degree. To sum up, they are just a lazy bunch of ppl coming here to enjoy life and try to earn gold. (not all of them, but most of them)

 

Indo/MY FTs - Generally better, more responsible and efficient. Especially those with chinese heritage, they have pride in their work.

 

Locals - Wont see them long as they will progress to other areas or moving on to the acounts side. I still prefer dealing with local IT support as they are still the most responsible people out there.

 

This is just from my humble 5 years of working experience. I might be wrong...

 

You forgot the all mighty INDIA. I gave up trying to explain things to Indian engineers [rifle]

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You forgot the all mighty INDIA. I gave up trying to explain things to Indian engineers [rifle]

 

Indian engineers? Need we say more about them? :D :D That should be the common understanding and knowledge.

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Came across this in hwz current affairs

 

 

Posted by 4Dluckystrike

When reading abt IT talents still in demand .. I can only summarised with my own experience :Our own talents no longer wants to be in this line.

 

Reason:

 

1) Pay low even with degree + certs(MCSE,CCNA)

Seriously, have classmates who are offered 2K plus.. and pay is dropping as companies are comparing with foreign talents.

Those who stayed either moved overseas or to another area with minimal involvment in IT and they are ones with best technical knowledge...

 

2) No career progression within the field.

 

Can you imagine whole project outsource to china and india??..

So where got need for managers or tech consultants developers??

They just need sales ppl with minimal knowledge and direct the rest to the overseas team.

 

So what r the remaining posts available ???

 

 

Just heard from a friend. An IT Manager post in Singapore is open and they're offering an Indian Manager that draws SGD$3.5K currently to join with a new package of SGD$6.5K. That's almost a whooping 50% increment......too bad for locals [rolleyes]

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Quote: (Windwaver @ Dec 20 2009, 10:58 PM)

You forgot the all mighty INDIA. I gave up trying to explain things to Indian engineers

 

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Now I understand why the $6.5k IT Manager position go to FT. Cos Windwaver give up. Money well spent!

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You forgot the all mighty INDIA. I gave up trying to explain things to Indian engineers [rifle]

 

 

joking only...u forgot to turn on infrared thats why hard to explain.

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Quote: (Windwaver @ Dec 20 2009, 10:58 PM)

You forgot the all mighty INDIA. I gave up trying to explain things to Indian engineers

 

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Now I understand why the $6.5k IT Manager position go to FT. Cos Windwaver give up. Money well spent!

 

Well, not me doing the recruitment so none of my business, just to point out how locals are faring. You see, if an FT is doing the recruitment, what chances are that another FT will be recruited? And why is an FT doing the recruitment, cos we 'import' FTs in bulk [laugh] and they in turn 'import' their FT friends in bulk.

 

Unless I can be a minister, if not, this will not change [:p]

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If you are the hiring manager, it's up to u to hire whoever can do the job. Doesn't need to be a minister to do so.

That's why I always hire based on merit because ultimately I need to be responsible for the team's results.

 

 

Well, not me doing the recruitment so none of my business, just to point out how locals are faring. You see, if an FT is doing the recruitment, what chances are that another FT will be recruited? And why is an FT doing the recruitment, cos we 'import' FTs in bulk [laugh] and they in turn 'import' their FT friends in bulk.

 

Unless I can be a minister, if not, this will not change [:p]

 

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i have a friend who is a senior IT specialist in citibank, his monthly pay is $14k . no joke. you call that low ?

 

 

he'll be next in the retrenchment list.

 

trust me.

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basically,

 

i feel that in Singapore, the govt made it very clear.

 

they'r supporting the service industry like banking, airlines, medicine etc. These fields are difficult to replicate well by cheap China/India countries.

In addition, these are also areas where SG can do very well in, at a relatively "affordable" price. For instance, just compare a top banker/fund manager in SG vs in London.

 

 

those hard-skills industry like manufacturing/IT will be outsourced to really cheap countries. During the budget 09, u can see that happening.

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Something I've noticed several years back at career fairs while trying to hire people for IT-related roles in NUS / NTU, majority of the local graduates almost never show up until 11am in their singlet and slippers; while the FTs are always the first ones there to seize the best opportunities at 8am. Some of the comments from local graduates to their hiring manager which I never recall hearing from any FTs for their first job - "Wah, this kind of job no thanks lah", "how much can you make?". I think its really a question of maturity and how delusional many of our local graduates can be.

 

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If you are the hiring manager, it's up to u to hire whoever can do the job. Doesn't need to be a minister to do so.

That's why I always hire based on merit because ultimately I need to be responsible for the team's results.

 

Bingo, but do take note that any Tom, Dick and Harry can get into Comm Science these days, it's not like a decade ago where only the best gets in. Besides, almost every grad in India is IT and it's EASY getting a Degree there ^_^

 

Since I'm on this, one of the JDs I saw

 

To provide technical support on-site and off-site.

Willing to provide on-site / off-site support during weekend.

Investigate into customer’s complaints and rectify the problems, by recommending the necessary actions to prevent recurrence

Involved in the software testing and technical documentation

Maintain proper project tracking, monitor and documentation.

Provide user training to end-users or business partners

Provide software and hardware installation on-site and off-site.

Liaise/support inter-department requirements to increase service level to customers

Willing to travel.

 

Monthly $1700. 24/7 over weekend support and regular travel.........I think even fresh bank teller also can get close to this [laugh]

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You can't hire everyone of equal capability, you'll need to have a hierarchy ranging from the best to the normal workers, otherwise you'll end up with

a lot of infighting in the team.

 

To be honest, the degrade of quality of the grads began more than 10 years ago. If you look at it today, the IT landscape does not value technical skills but rather on business/management skills, and hence the more inclined students avoided the course. This resulted in the faculty not being able to take in only the better inclined students.

 

 

Bingo, but do take note that any Tom, Dick and Harry can get into Comm Science these days, it's not like a decade ago where only the best gets in. Besides, almost every grad in India is IT and it's EASY getting a Degree there ^_^

 

Since I'm on this, one of the JDs I saw

 

To provide technical support on-site and off-site.

Willing to provide on-site / off-site support during weekend.

Investigate into customer

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You can't hire everyone of equal capability, you'll need to have a hierarchy ranging from the best to the normal workers, otherwise you'll end up with

a lot of infighting in the team.

 

To be honest, the degrade of quality of the grads began more than 10 years ago. If you look at it today, the IT landscape does not value technical skills but rather on business/management skills, and hence the more inclined students avoided the course. This resulted in the faculty not being able to take in only the better inclined students.

 

This is very much due to the relax of cut off points for Comm Science. A decade ago, only the very best can get in (we're talking about single pointers). The faculty has replaced Arts & Social as dumping ground now. And this is only in a short decade. With the economy ever changing that rapidly, how many career switches can anybody go thru in a lifetime? That's why I always tell my peers that in life, nothing beats having GOOD LUCK [laugh]

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Came across this in hwz current affairs

 

 

Posted by 4Dluckystrike

When reading abt IT talents still in demand .. I can only summarised with my own experience :Our own talents no longer wants to be in this line.

 

Reason:

 

1) Pay low even with degree + certs(MCSE,CCNA)

Seriously, have classmates who are offered 2K plus.. and pay is dropping as companies are comparing with foreign talents.

Those who stayed either moved overseas or to another area with minimal involvment in IT and they are ones with best technical knowledge...

 

2) No career progression within the field.

 

Can you imagine whole project outsource to china and india??..

So where got need for managers or tech consultants developers??

They just need sales ppl with minimal knowledge and direct the rest to the overseas team.

 

So what r the remaining posts available ???

 

So far people I come across look down on IT people...that's why they are called "IT People" cos they are less needed nowdays.. everything IT is well ... on the net...

LOL

 

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