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Supersonic (edited)
17 hours ago, Comage said:

Yes strong words - it will never work "for the car owner"... Not that I didn't say it won't work in Singapore ever! 

The guy owning the EV will get fed up of the slow chargers, the shenanigans from other EV owners, the non-EV car occupying the charging lot... Etc etc such that it will become such a major turn-off for the EV owner to finally throw in the towel. 

But as another forummer here always saying that we must adapt or we will die anyways, the govt will shove it down our throat etc etc. 

Me, I'll just wait for the day when govt got the balls to lay down 100% EV as the rule and ban all non-EV from our roads before I'll ever buy one. 

We are less than 9 years away from the ban on registration of new ICE car.

After that, it will be another 10 years for a hybrid.

Ultimately, CAR LITE.

p.s. since last year, my car mileage is substantially lower than before.  I have adopted half tank pump petrol rather than empty pump petrol.

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Supersonic
23 minutes ago, D3badge said:

The reasoning why the world number 1 car maker delay EV

Toyota is looking at Solid-State Battery from the onset.

That's why it is very late in EV.

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21 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

We are less than 9 years away from the ban on registration of new ICE car.

After that, it will be another 10 years for a hybrid.

Ultimately, CAR LITE.

p.s. since last year, my car mileage is substantially lower than before.  I have adopted half tank pump petrol rather than empty pump petrol.

thats about 20 years more, by then i will be too old close to 60+ to even walk, dont even need to think about driving anymore.

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Supersonic
17 minutes ago, ferrytales said:

thats about 20 years more, by then i will be too old close to 60+ to even walk, dont even need to think about driving anymore.

So young cannot walk.

Rem to do regular maintenance.

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5 hours ago, inlinesix said:

So young cannot walk.

Rem to do regular maintenance.

any workshop to recommend? 😂

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Supersonic (edited)
2 minutes ago, ferrytales said:

any workshop to recommend? 😂

@RadX workshop is the best

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Supersonic
5 minutes ago, Lethalstrike said:

7kW and 22kW chargers? Wah even slower than the 50kW chargers by SP now. 

SP Power AC is 43kw. Only DC is 43kw.

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Supercharged
1 hour ago, inlinesix said:

SP Power AC is 43kw. Only DC is 43kw.

I went to verify again, yeah you're right.

I think u meant AC is 43kW, DC is 50kW.

 

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Supersonic
Just now, Lethalstrike said:

I went to verify again, yeah you're right.

I think u meant AC is 43kW, DC is 50kW.

With 7kw and 22kw, it is too slow for mass adoption over the next 10 years.

DC 50kw is fast enough not to kill battery lifespan

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1 hour ago, Lethalstrike said:

7kW and 22kW chargers? Wah even slower than the 50kW chargers by SP now. 

That's why I keep saying - this whole "master" plan is doomed for failure.

Only upon implementation (of the 7kW) chargers - then they will realise - oh this don't work!
By then, to "upgrade" the charging infrastructure means must overhaul the whole works - then another tender will be called... wash, rinse and repeat of what is happening right now...

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47 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

With 7kw and 22kw, it is too slow for mass adoption over the next 10 years.

DC 50kw is fast enough not to kill battery lifespan

Have to agree man. 

So what if manufacturers adopt 800V systems in the future to support high voltage/low current fast charge, when the max which our infrastructure goes is only up to 50kW? 

7kW at HDBs is a damn conservative performance parameter, its going to take ages to fully charge up a mass market model such as Model 3. 

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24 minutes ago, Comage said:

That's why I keep saying - this whole "master" plan is doomed for failure.

Only upon implementation (of the 7kW) chargers - then they will realise - oh this don't work!
By then, to "upgrade" the charging infrastructure means must overhaul the whole works - then another tender will be called... wash, rinse and repeat of what is happening right now...

It's a bloody joke to be honest, especially if they had the advantage of building everything up from a clean state, without burdens of legacy infrastructure. 

7kW charging at HDBs, its as good as asking people to stick with ICEs. 

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9 hours ago, inlinesix said:

With 7kw and 22kw, it is too slow for mass adoption over the next 10 years.

DC 50kw is fast enough not to kill battery lifespan

Boss - I thought you were damned supportive of this EV master plan? Saying regardless the outcome, the govt will take care of everything and build something that works for all of us? And that we all will/must eventually fit into this "box" that the govt builds for us?

Now you're admitting that it's a shit plan too? :D

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Supersonic
9 hours ago, Lethalstrike said:

Have to agree man. 

So what if manufacturers adopt 800V systems in the future to support high voltage/low current fast charge, when the max which our infrastructure goes is only up to 50kW? 

7kW at HDBs is a damn conservative performance parameter, its going to take ages to fully charge up a mass market model such as Model 3. 

800v architecture is unlikely to be mass market.

For model 3, just use supercharger 

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Supersonic
52 minutes ago, Comage said:

Boss - I thought you were damned supportive of this EV master plan? Saying regardless the outcome, the govt will take care of everything and build something that works for all of us? And that we all will/must eventually fit into this "box" that the govt builds for us?

Now you're admitting that it's a shit plan too? :D

Whether shit plan or not, it will be implemented.

Not forgetting CAR LITE

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@inlinesix Nah that's because you forgot about diesel, CNG fiasco. None of them worked and they simply u-turned

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