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Shooting the Singapore Sar21

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Still prefer M16. As SAR 21 parade is damn xiong....BTW I think this video has been posted before. Anyone can confirm

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Sar 21=weapon designed in a lab that is great for the lab and range, but stupid on the field. Typical of what our local scholars do.

 

It is a weapon that has a natural aura that attracts extra duties.

 

It got even more silly when they decided to include a m203 launcher on the sar21.

 

 

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Can't help but notice the similarity with Steyr AUG which MAF is spotted using in the current Sabah conflict.

Both riffles have the clip behind the trigger.

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Can't help but notice the similarity with Steyr AUG which MAF is spotted using in the current Sabah conflict.

Both riffles have the clip behind the trigger.

I think more like Steyr started the trend of the mag at the rear design which started all the copying by others...... [:p]

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Sar 21=weapon designed in a lab that is great for the lab and range, but stupid on the field. Typical of what our local scholars do.

 

It is a weapon that has a natural aura that attracts extra duties.

 

It got even more silly when they decided to include a m203 launcher on the sar21.

 

If it ain't broken, why fix it? The M16 and related development are trial tested in the Iraq and Afgan campaign. Why did we even bother to push our the SAR21. Have to admit it looks pretty cool though. :D

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Having used both M16 & SAR21 I think the SAR21 is better in the sense that it require less cleaning after firing the rifle. The exhaust gas is isolated from the chamber and bolt assembly. You actually get to rest instead of cleaning the rifle. And you hardly get any IA becos of this. The mag is also better as it does not cause jam or no feeding. It's a more reliable and less maintenance dan the M16.

 

The optics and laser pointer increase accuracy. But if you run out of batt the laser pointer cannot use.

 

Now about the cons, the weight, it's heavier dan the M16. The rifle is designed for right master arm. Lefty have to adapt. SAF still using the M16 rifle sling for the SAR21. It's clumsy to use even for the M16. And when you back sling the weapon your back will hurt. So it's a stupid sling.

 

Overall IMO it's still a vast improvement from the aging M16.

 

 

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Having carried and used both rifles, still prefer the M16 for its ease to move around.

SAR21 excels in accuracy and shooting, but like some bros mentioned, its feels better with the M16 outfield.

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Nothing beats the assault rifle featured below:

 

 

The above demonstration is not to be replicated under any circumstances though... :blink:

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The German made HK416 rifle is actually a much improved & modified M16. I rather have that.

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Both m16 n SAR 21 have it's pro and con .

 

But end of the day is the human that deploy it and use it that count.

Must hit the target.

 

Maybe those doing defend will like SAR 21 becos shooting is accurate and easy.

Those chiong mountain and lurp one probably like m16 better.

 

But just like auto and manual car, it is the driver with knowledge that can squeeze the best out from the machine.

 

Just my 2 cents worth

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Check out a forever-favourite-comparison of the M4 representing democracy vs AK supposingly from "evil empires":

 

(Fast forward to 3:30 to see why AKs are favourites of grunts in the field, jungle muddy or even at the field kitchen [laugh] [laugh]

 

 

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my friend told me he fired using his SAR till the grip actually started to melt. I would think that the grip reached its glass transition temperature rather.

 

I rather use the M16

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This one lagi funny and fun

 

 

 

Oh yes, I love the Utimax. :wub:

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If it ain't broken, why fix it? The M16 and related development are trial tested in the Iraq and Afgan campaign. Why did we even bother to push our the SAR21. Have to admit it looks pretty cool though. :D

 

To be fair...The M16 suffered many issues. It's initial batch and version are full or problems with jamming and unreliability... The worst is lives were paid when they fielded the M16 during the Vietnam war.

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Jokes aside I am not sure if modern complicated assault rifles are able to tahan the rigours of the field and able to fire under harsh conditions.

 

Granted the venerable AK47 or its many variants is not reputed to be a accurate weapon but its simplicity in design, ease of maintenance and being cheap does play a big part why it is still the favourite of many nations till this day.

 

Plus its 7.62mm calibre packs quite a punch compared to our smaller 5.56mm rounds. Detractors will no doubt say a heavily loaded rifleman with all his gear can carry more 5.56mm rounds than the heavier and larger 7.62mm rounds but in a fire-fight I think the outcome do tilt the balance to the side with bigger, more powerful weapons yes?

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I think more like Steyr started the trend of the mag at the rear design which started all the copying by others...... [:p]

Steyr started this concept way back in the 70s'. Saw its' "first" action in Die Hard 1 with the bad guys from East Germany used them.

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SAR21 Is safer...

I know of a guy who triggered the first chamber explosion

He was unhurt....

 

Not so sure if M16

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SAR21 Is safer...

I know of a guy who triggered the first chamber explosion

He was unhurt....

 

Not so sure if M16

 

hmmm good point.

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SAR21 Is safer...

I know of a guy who triggered the first chamber explosion

He was unhurt....

 

Not so sure if M16

 

SAR-21 has patented to have a protective Kelvar cover embedded in the internal casing which houses the bolt-carrier group. This prevented injury in the event of a chamber explosion. Clearly for that lucky SOB's case, this feature saved him.

 

It's the first rifle in the world to have such "safety" feature....I'd say it's a must for an Armed Forces with goondu NSF/NSmen like us....lol

 

The only drawback it's embedded inside the rifle so you sacrifice the bolt switching feature that allow the weapon to fire ambidextrously. That's why SAF forces the lefties to learn how to fire from the right side....

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In summary, peacetime training - take M16, lighter.

 

In wartime - take SAR21, heavier but more reliable and may save your life.

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Sar 21=weapon designed in a lab that is great for the lab and range, but stupid on the field. Typical of what our local scholars do.

 

It is a weapon that has a natural aura that attracts extra duties.

 

It got even more silly when they decided to include a m203 launcher on the sar21.

 

Hating a weapon just because of "guard duties" and "being heavy" is very superficial when this weapon can easily protect you effectively during wartime.

 

And if you don't know the history of how this weapon is conceived I suggest you don't anyhow TC.

 

I think most would know that the SAR-21 and Israeli's TAR-21 were a collaboration that took a different direction at somepoint of time during it's development.

 

The Israelis, having so much experience in armed conflicts, wanted a weapon to be versatile and combat effective. On the other hand ST and SAF wanted a weapon that is cheaper, that is idiot proof and puts safety and easy weapon handlings as top priority for a conscript armed force. Hence the TAR-21 and SAR-21 is born.

 

The SAR21 was released in 1999 and it took the Israelis a year to perfect the TAR21.

The thing is the Israelis have been fighting armed conflicts since the induction of TAR21 and have made many improvements to the weapon even when the 1st batch performed "flawlessly".

 

SAF, being only a conscript army will have to make do with the one and only version of SAR21.

 

ST did built the SAR21A to address many issues faced with the SAR21. In fact the SAR21A have all the features of the TAR21...but sadly SAF choose not to adopt the weapon.

 

 

 

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