Could Washington topple a democratic government?

[AhJason]

where are our resident arm chair critics and political science graduates? Can comment? Luckily Singapore no oil.

 

 

 

Egypt: Elections do not make a democracy

 

 

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/1858777/colu...ake-a-democracy

 

Mursi's overthrow last week put the United States on the spot. Could Washington support the removal of a democratically elected government, even one we did not like?

 

An election is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for democracy. That's the takeaway from the continuing upheaval in Egypt. Last year, Mohamed Mursi became Egypt's first freely elected president.

 

Mursi won with 51.7% of the vote, slightly more than the 51.1% that Barack Obama won in 2012. Mursi was the candidate of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist organisation that had been banned and persecuted in Egypt for 60 years.

 

Mursi's overthrow last week put the United States on the spot. Could Washington support the removal of a democratically elected government, even one we did not like?

 

The Mursi government may have been elected, but there are other requirements for a democracy. A democratic government has to guarantee minority rights. It has to accept the opposition as legitimate. It has to be willing to abide by the rules. And the truest test of a democracy is that the government has to give up power if it is defeated at the polls.

 

The Mursi government failed all those tests except the last one. That's because it was only in power for a year and got removed by the military before it could stand for re-election. In that one year, however, Mursi asserted near-unlimited power over the country.

 

He appointed Islamic radicals to key positions. He rammed through a new constitution that enshrined the principles of Islamic law. He arrested opponents and allowed attacks on religious minorities. He neglected the failing economy. He angered the military by calling for Egyptian intervention in Ethiopia and Syria. Friday, the Republican chairman and ranking Democratic member of the US House Foreign Affairs Committee issued a joint statement saying, "Real democracy requires inclusiveness, compromise, respect for human and minority rights and a commitment to the rule of law.

 

Mursi and his inner circle did not embrace any of those principles and instead chose to consolidate power and rule by fiat." Egypt has always been a secular country. But a majority of its voters are religious and, given a chance to compete in free elections, they will elect an Islamist government. That has happened in other Arab and Muslim countries as well, for example, Tunisia, Turkey, Iran. In 2006, Palestinians in Gaza elected a Hamas government allied with Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.

 

Islamist governments usually infuriate the secular population and antagonise the military which is what happened in Egypt. Tensions are also high in Turkey, where a relatively moderate Islamic government faces large-scale protests by the secular population. The point is, elections sometimes produce unsavoury results.

 

The classic example was the German parliamentary elections of July and November 1932, which made the Nazis Germany's largest party. As a result, Adolf Hitler became chancellor in 1933. Mursi is no Hitler, but the Muslim Brotherhood is a paranoid and fanatical movement whose long-term commitment to democracy is much in doubt.

 

To radical Islamists, elections are a way to gain power. They are enraged because the results of Egypt's 2012 election have been nullified. "Didn't we do what they asked?" an Islamist voter told The New York Times, "We don't believe in democracy to begin with. It's not part of our ideology. But we accepted it. We followed them, and then this is what they do?"

 

An Islamist in Libya had this complaint: "Do you think I can sell to the people any more? I have been saying all along, 'If you want to build Shariah law, come to elections.' Now they will just say, 'Look at Egypt,' and you don't need to say anything else." To many Islamists, the United States has been exposed as hypocritical. We promote democracy, but we will not stand by a democratically elected government when it is threatened.

 

Many believe that Washington was complicit in Mursi's overthrow. The Obama administration reportedly tried to broker a compromise that Mursi was unwilling to accept. At the same time, secular Egyptians complain that Washington did not criticise Mursi's undemocratic regime. To them, it proves that Washington is interested only in stability, not democracy.

 

Didn't the United States support the corrupt regime of deposed Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak all those years? More than any other recent event, the overthrow of the Mursi government in Egypt highlights a conflict between the form and the substance of democracy. "Why is it just ballot boxes?" a human-rights activist asked.

 

"Are ballot boxes the only forms of democratic expression when the rulers fail the people?" We Americans nurture the pothole theory of democracy. We like to believe that, if a radical government is elected, it will quickly learn that it has to moderate and serve the needs of the people in order to stay in power. It has to fill the potholes and keep the lights on.

 

But to many Islamic radicals, the ballot is just an alternative to the bullet as a way to gain power. They are ready to abandon democracy if the military and the West won't allow them to stay in power. There was a frightening sight in Egypt last week.

 

Thousands of Mursi supporters rallied under the black flag of jihad and chanted, "No more elections after today!" But democracy means a lot more than holding elections. That's something they have to learn. We just learned it in Egypt.

 

(Bill Schneider is professor of public and international affairs at George Mason University and a resident scholar at Third Way.) (Bill Schneider)

Edited July 9, 2013 by AhJason

[Djim]

With a Singapore unemployment rate of less than 2 per cent, which is probably as low as the figure can get, you have to wonder why our PM is worried about jobs anyway.

 

is this question valid?

[Gitanic]

where are our resident arm chair critics and political science graduates? Can comment? Luckily Singapore no oil.

i sense an atmosphere of derogatory intent

[Toothiewabbit]

i sense an atmosphere of derogatory intent

The Force is strong within you

[Toothiewabbit]

Another one of those allegations of covert ops by U.S. to effect regime change.

[AhJason]

i sense an atmosphere of derogatory intent

 

no lah. where got. budden doesn't these conspiracy theories occur to u before meh?

[SuperEBreak]

This one closer to home.

 

http://www.facebook.com/notes/kall-silva/p...151535083156344

 

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Politics as usual - too tired for free train rides

July 9, 2013 at 7:22pm

 

The United States government has joined "prominent bloggers" and others online to express their concerns with the new MDA regulations that would require 10 websites, including Yahoo Singapore, to apply for a license. It is worried that applying press restrictions to the online world would restrict freedom of expression.

 

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/us-concerne...221015440.html

 

As the global policeman and sole authority on democracy, the US government regularly comment/criticize on what they see as restrictions on the freedom of expression all over the world while their aircraft carriers gently cruise across oceans and drop their anchors at our Sembawang Naval Base.

 

In March this year, the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a strong statement slamming US State Department unlawful funding of Russian human rights organisations. Money was being moved through third countries to evade Russian laws. In Bahrain, lawmakers urged the US Ambassador not to interfere in domestic affairs and provide uneven support to the opposition.

 

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130330/180344141.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9450J420130506

 

This along, with many other instances in Latin America and Middle East during the Cold War period, are extreme examples of US interference. Fund jihadists to fight the Russians and promote warlords to destabilise regimes.

 

Obviously, there is no need for such antics in Singapore; we are no global threat and we have no natural resources.

 

But every now and then, the US Embassy here would need to touch base with the local opposition and government critics so they can report on the political developments to Washington - as we now know from Wikileaks.

 

As we also found out recently, sometimes, it might also be useful to preach freedom while asking Snowden's colleagues to keep their ears open and observe how the grass sway in the field.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3563518.html

 

No surprise, it is known that the US Embassy here meets with Straits Times journalists, opposition politicians, civil society and also prominent bloggers, like what happened here in September 2012 where Ambassaor invited Mr Brown, Alex Au, Andrew Loh and Ravi Philemon (the only opp politician) for lunch at his place to understand Singapore social media.

 

 

Hence, it is also no surprise when the Minister known as Yakult singled out NSP member Ravi as a haze rumour-monger in his defence of the new MDA licensing regime.

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...ze/738422.html

 

In other words, it is politics as usual, with the Americans preaching their superior version of democracy, PAP's calculated criticisms of the opponent in the parliament, while most Singaporeans are still too tired to wake up for free train rides. Tired

 

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[Toapayohkid]

whats new abt usa doublespeak. they claimed china spying on them, act victim. they also spy on china.

[SuperEBreak]

whats new abt usa doublespeak. they claimed china spying on them, act victim. they also spy on china.

 

The Americans funded Osama bin Laden in the late 70s and early 80s so that Afghanistan can fight back the Russians sounds very sexy This is what everyone believes.