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Kusje

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I don't see how this can be considered political greed or hypocrisy leh.

 

The difficulties he face is really expected for a self importer for a NEW car model that LTA has never encountered before (this is called red-tape not hypocrisy).

 

 

 

 

Then they send out the results from VICOM, stating that the car was consuming 444 watt hour per kilometre. These are not specs that I have seen on Tesla's website, or anywhere else for that matter. And then underneath it, there's a conversion to CO2 emission," Nguyen says.

The CO2 conversion pegged the Tesla squarely in the category of large gas guzzlers. Instead of getting the S$15,000 rebate, Nguyen was charged an extra S$15,000 as tax for a non-fuel efficient car.

Nguyen rebuts these claims, citing that according to the US EPA, the Tesla only does 237 watt hour per kilometre and his attempts at presenting this to the powers that be were futile.

 

Further, Vicom's did the test and had some results - if he is disputing those results then he should get another lab to test it and compare? He can't just cite US EPA data that it does 237 watt hour per km because US EPA might have a different testing criteria compared to LTA.

 

If Vicom's data is true, then simply put, the Tesla is not environmentally friendly at all!

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Vratenza

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Woohoo.... I was one of those who spotted the only unicorn in Singapore the other day along Moulmein Road!

 

So I saw Nyugen! :a-happy:

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NightWind

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sorry sorry how to delete the others i did not mean to spam

 

 

ADMIN i am sorry can u please help me delete the other treads.  I AM VERY SORRY :(

 

Like that also no need to post 5 of the same post here...

 

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BenTong

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You are accusing the Govt of political greed and hypocrisy.. Boy you better have things to back you up..if you Need a lawyer let me know..

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Angcheek

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Like that also no need to post 5 of the same post here...

 

I read this  yest  .......... almost fell off chair ......  this is the so call world class gov .........

 

They really refer the case to EMA ... i was like :a-confused:   

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Vratenza

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So the LTA essentially back-calculated the power output  and compared to known power to emission rates to derive the Co2 emission figure and slapped a 15K surcharge on the Tesla....

 

 

 

Nice one scholars! :lll._.:

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Kusje

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So the LTA essentially back-calculated the power output  and compared to known power to emission rates to derive the Co2 emission figure and slapped a 15K surcharge on the Tesla....

 

 

 

Nice one scholars! :lll._.:

 

As someone who isn't technically trained, what they did seems logical to me.

 

How should they have done it?

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Jman888

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@jman888 Please merge it with Tesla S post.

 

 

thanks, merge the topic as the same case was already brought up here.

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Sturtles

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Hi folks read this and weep.  This is political greed and bureaucracy at its very worst. Well Done PAP!!!!

 

ADMIN I AM SORRY please help me delete the previous treads.  I did not mean to spam. I am sorry

 

http://www.stuff.tv/sg/features/be-prepared-these-roadblocks-if-you-want-drive-tesla-in-singapore

 

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Few cars in memory have generated the kind of buzz that Tesla's electric cars have made.

Since bursting onto the scene in 2008 with the Tesla Roadster electric sports-car, the California-based car maker has become a byword for showcasing the potential of electric cars in an internal combustion engine dominated world. 

Tesla's follow up to the Roadster, the Model S sedan is considered by many to be one of the best four-door cars in the world right now. With its killer looks, great ride, futuristic tech and an electric motor that produces basically zero emissions, you would expect the Model S to be selling like hotcakes in a country like Singapore.

So why aren't they? Well, the answer is quite complicated.

In 2011, Tesla did indeed open an office here. But less than six months later, it departed our shores without selling a single car.

The logic for Tesla would be that, like in countries such as Japan and Malaysia, the Tesla's electric nature would entitle it to receive rebates from the government due to the vehicle being non-polluting. In fact, our government does have such a system, which offers subsidises of S$15,000 if you drive a green vehicle.

However, for some reason, Tesla was not granted this subsidy, seriously hurting efforts to sell the cars here. According to the government, Tesla's cars did not meet certain "technical requirements" for the rebate.

Since then, owning a Tesla in Singapore has been just a pipe dream. That is, until a few weeks ago when IT-professional Joe Nguyen managed to get his own Tesla Model S licenced for the Singapore roads.

We sat down and spoke to Nguyen about the nearly year-long battle against a quagmire of red tape and bureaucracy that he had to go through to drive his beloved Model S, which his son nicknamed, Tessie.

 

 

Powered by electricity

Tessie's journey began not in Singapore, but in Hong Kong, where Nguyen purchased the 2014 model S.

"It's the future of cars. It's green, quick and the perfect car for Singapore," he said.

Until a few years ago, in a country where cars rely on fossil fuel and engines have gotten better and more efficient, electric cars were just not viable. The core physics, that of a mixture of ignited air and fuel driving pistons and a drivetrain to create motion, has not.

Electric cars are a different beast entirely. Instead of using fossil fuels to drive an engine, they use electricity, stored in large battery banks in the chassis of the car to power electric motors. Cars like the Tesla Model S often only have one moving part, the driveshaft. Since there are no fossil fuels, there is no combustion, which translates to the absence of harmful gas.

The downside here is one that owners of smartphones are familiar with - recharging the battery. An electric car is no different. But just like a smartphone, a single charge can go a long way.

"You don't drive very far in Singapore. The range on a Tesla is 380 kilometres which, on a full charge, is more than enough for Singapore. You go home after work and just plug it in. The next morning you wake up, it's fully charged," Nguyen says.

Tessie, come home

Getting the car into Singapore, Nguyen reveals, was the easy part. "You take the car, put it onto a ship and then bring it down. When it arrives, you pay the customs duties on it and that's that. I thought that would be the end of it but in fact, that's when the whole process starts."

The real challenge came when he had to liaise with the Land Transport Authority (LTA). "The first few weeks, the car just sat in a warehouse gathering dust while the LTA asked me for lots of paperwork," Nguyen said as he recounts the first roadblock in many to come.

As far as Nguyen was concerned, the simple truth was that the powers that be had not dealt with a Tesla before. Instead of adapting their processes to fit this new kind of car, they would rather turn a blind eye.

"They kept asking for more and more paperwork," Nguyen reveals," They wanted the specs, they wanted a number of different metrics, everything from emissions to the certificate of conformity, which is related to petrol cars and Tesla doesn't have it."

So, what now?

Read more at http://www.stuff.tv/sg/features/be-prepared-these-roadblocks-if-you-want-drive-tesla-in-singapore#GEfj3B3MZezzfx0C.99

 

 

I do agree LTA is slow-moving compared to the technological advancements in even simple machines like cars.

 

However, I'm not so sure they could have calculated wrongly the fossil fuel usage vs CO2 emissions. Its just 'O' level maths.

 

They just have to run the standard economy tests till the car is empty and measure how much electrical energy is used to recharge it, then convert it to coal, oil, natural gas or nuclear, plus some transmission losses.

 

To be a CO2 powerhouse, you can peg it to coal or even wood-fired powerplants. To be a Prius, just peg it to nuclear reactors.

 

Depends on how much they like to load you, they just apply the table accordingly

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Kusje

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I do agree LTA is slow-moving compared to the technological advancements in even simple machines like cars.

 

However, I'm not so sure they could have calculated wrongly the fossil fuel usage vs CO2 emissions. Its just 'O' level maths.

 

They just have to run the standard economy tests till the car is empty and measure how much electrical energy is used to recharge it, then convert it to coal, oil, natural gas or nuclear, plus some transmission losses.

 

To be a CO2 powerhouse, you can peg it to coal or even wood-fired powerplants. To be a Prius, just peg it to nuclear reactors.

 

Depends on how much they like to load you, they just apply the table accordingly

 

But to be fair, they should peg it to whatever the emissions are for our grid.

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