Frankloh 1st Gear January 6, 2019 Share January 6, 2019 That why I choose a Korean Diesel, previously all my petrol Jap and Korean car have ZERO towing lor (of course accident don't say la). The best part, the engine FC never even degrade for the whole 10 years lor. First year track OK for my Korean Diesel, nothing light up, I never even got a chance to see the DPF warning light up lor. Get a Diesel only if your mileage is really high or you doing Grab. Else a Petrol engine is more fun and enjoyable, quieter and refine compare to Diesel. On a Diesel engine, the power band rpm is only from 2k to 4k, beyond that, car does'nt pull much anymore. For high speed driving, this is not fun at all! For diesel, you must have some knowledge in cars else you can't identify any early car problem symptoms. Common issues are white smoke and black smoke. But current Diesel engine are all Euro 5 and above with DPF system. Imagine your car has some slight problem which result to in black/white smoke, all these does not shows as all black smoke are contain in the DPF. Then in no time you encounter block DPF and spend money on replacing DPF without identifying the real issues here. ↡ Advertisement 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsman 5th Gear January 6, 2019 Share January 6, 2019 I have owned my diesel suv for 3 years now, n i dare say diesel is more fun to drive. the power band is actually from 1 to 4 and it is true that after that there's not much power. however, in spore roads where the top speed anywhere is 90, u won't even cross 2k rpm. overtaking is such a breeze with the torque, even at 160km/h on nshw where the rpm is still below 3. as for the diesel clatter, i soundproofed my car. quieter than my previous continental petrol. maintenance cost is lower too...so far. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjandyy 4th Gear January 6, 2019 Share January 6, 2019 It is really the case of different solution for different type of cars. I am a big fan of diesel (4WDs and SUVs) but I completely agree than hybrid is the correct solution (now) for sedan and smaller/lighter cars. Small or light is subjective in this case but let the economics decide, it usually does the job. Diesel engine is traditionally more suitable for large and heavy car like trucks and large SUVs because of the high low-end torque is ideal to get these cars moving quickly from stationary. A big gasoline engine can do the job as well, that's what the US has adopted instead of diesel engines, because gas is cheap. The European opted to go the diesel route for all sorts of cars to meet fuel efficiency requirement in EU. The Japanese made smaller and more efficient engines and cars. Then came the hybrid technology. The Japanese adopted this technology and did not look back. In my opinion, the hybrid technology made the case of diesel engine for small cars, less relevant. There is no more strong point in terms of fuel efficiency to get a small diesel car when a hybrid car can achieve the same if not better. For large trucks or SUVs, the cost to implement hybrid (bigger e-motors and larger capacity batteries) is still higher compared to just putting in a TC diesel engine into the car. It also probably costs lesser upfront and lesser in terms of fuel cost for the buyers because diesel is generally cheaper than gasoline. And yes, when you go to larger cars, the money paid is more, and the amount of refinement in terms of soundproofing and engine is better, so the diesel clatters are minimal. Lower-end cars usually skimp on soundproofing and has lower tech diesel engine therefore it is relatively noisier (like the Volvo D2 and the BMW 3-cylinder diesel engine in 216GT). The best mass market diesel engine in the market today, in my opinion, is the Mazda 2.2Litre Skyactive-D. Maintenance cost wise, it is not significantly more expensive for diesel compared to petrol engines. The only issue is diesel engines are mainly used by European marques, so the cost of servicing is generally higher just because of the higher-end branding or less economy of scale, in Singapore's context. If you go Korean, it is more or less the same. However, you don't need to worry about spark-plugs and ignition-related parts because there are none in diesel engines. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miken92 Neutral Newbie January 7, 2019 Share January 7, 2019 hello I'm a new member 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rp2046 1st Gear January 7, 2019 Share January 7, 2019 Actually, most of the commercial vehicle on the road should be Euro 4 liao. almost 10 years since EURO 4. Euro 4 diesel car 2000cc 6 months road tax is $1200, Euro 5 diesel car 2000cc 6 months road tax is only $350. So gov is making sure EURO 4 cars are kept off the road. So be very careful when you go buy a 2nd hand diesel car. Don't go and buy Euro 4 diesel car. suddenly 1 year pay so much more. Always tempted to go diesel but the policy keep on prata, scared. Now still driving petrol. Maybe go hybrid next. Diesel car population so little, so when want to sell diesel car is almost at surrender / scrap value. Super heartache. Then again, this applies to all conti cars. Does it apply to Hybrid cars too? Test drove the BMW 2 Series Diesel car, test drive inside very quiet. Engine also okay. but always on the road and petrol kiosk, can always tell some of the older series 2 are diesel because of the loud noise. haha. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator January 7, 2019 Share January 7, 2019 Actually, most of the commercial vehicle on the road should be Euro 4 liao. almost 10 years since EURO 4. Euro 4 diesel car 2000cc 6 months road tax is $1200, Euro 5 diesel car 2000cc 6 months road tax is only $350. So gov is making sure EURO 4 cars are kept off the road. So be very careful when you go buy a 2nd hand diesel car. Don't go and buy Euro 4 diesel car. suddenly 1 year pay so much more. Always tempted to go diesel but the policy keep on prata, scared. Now still driving petrol. Maybe go hybrid next. Diesel car population so little, so when want to sell diesel car is almost at surrender / scrap value. Super heartache. Then again, this applies to all conti cars. Does it apply to Hybrid cars too? Test drove the BMW 2 Series Diesel car, test drive inside very quiet. Engine also okay. but always on the road and petrol kiosk, can always tell some of the older series 2 are diesel because of the loud noise. haha. As far as I can remember, whilst govt does prata on many policies; they normally don’t do it retrospectively esp on car policies cos that is tantamount to moving goal posts whilst the game is being played. So if u r already owning a diesel car, new punitive measures will normally apply from that date forward. Good reminder on not buying Euro 4 diesels 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayoflight 5th Gear January 7, 2019 Share January 7, 2019 (edited) Let me share my experience . I used to drive Volvo V40 Diesel . One full tank at SMART energy cost me 50 bucks and get me a mileage of about 750-800km per 40l tank. I changed to Honda Fit Hybrid , one full tank of Ron95 cost me 50 bucks also and get me a mileage of 750-800km as well but the diff is Iâm running on a 32l tank. Whenever the Volvo have problem a bill usually come up to min 1k , highest I encounter is 7k for fuel pump plus injector and Piston. My previous Jap car Honda Stream got me a mileage of 300k for 9 years without major issue just normal wear and tear. My point here is , if u are getting a diesel car , likelihood itâs conti and the repair cost when come to u, your balls will sweat . Conti car are really nice to drive solid and shiok but for peasant like me , I just go back to my simple fuss free car can alr Wah honda fit hybrid really damn good fc Edited January 7, 2019 by Rayoflight 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskopad January 9, 2019 Share January 9, 2019 In Singapore, driving a diesel car is the best! The torque is best suited here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karoon Turbocharged January 10, 2019 Share January 10, 2019 In Singapore, driving a diesel car is the best! The torque is best suited here.Quite true. On my route, torque + turbo means i get green - yellow - green - green on my route to work. Without it, its green - red - red - red (Thats the sequence of traffic lights) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Turbocharged February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 It's probably too soon to condemn diesela at this time.. https://www.facebook.com/JLRNews/photos/a.1314117691968913/2306189242761748?type=3&sfns=mo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannnn 4th Gear February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 I get diese is for the torque. N u really floor abit to get it going. If I'm driving petrol i dont think I'm floor more to get that speed Cons, the clattering heard from outside. And also, road tax. Since my mileage is low. Like 15k or les per yr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Turbocharged February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 I get diese is for the torque. N u really floor abit to get it going. If I'm driving petrol i dont think I'm floor more to get that speed Cons, the clattering heard from outside. And also, road tax. Since my mileage is low. Like 15k or les per yr. Think it's your gearing than the engine.I don't need to floor the pedal. The clatter can be masked with good sound proofing. No issue with me. The low rpm range is an issue if one use lots of engine brake, especially mountain downhills and loot high rpm regularly, 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannnn 4th Gear February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 Think it's your gearing than the engine. I don't need to floor the pedal. The clatter can be masked with good sound proofing. No issue with me. The low rpm range is an issue if one use lots of engine brake, especially mountain downhills and loot high rpm regularly, Yeah soundproof is good enuff. Barely hear any clattering inside cabin, im talking about outside. Like when u idling ppl walk apss will know ur engine is on, compared to certain gasoline car which hardly any sound. Don't really need to floor, i saying abt petrol mayb need to floor more in order to catch up or win our pick up. So if we drive the same pattern for diesel vs petrol, diesel certainly more swift. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0y0ta Supercharged February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 It's probably too soon to condemn diesela at this time.. https://www.facebook.com/JLRNews/photos/a.1314117691968913/2306189242761748?type=3&sfns=mo This is marketing by JLR... who incidentally is in VERY DEEP shit because they are over-committed on diesel tech (interestingly more affected than diesel cheat VW) and their diesel sales have nose-dived causing JLR and parent TATA to be in crisis mode now. Diesel will continue to exist for commercial vehicles and cross-country vehicles, but for the rest - petrol, hybrid, EV is the way to go. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor68 Turbocharged February 11, 2019 Share February 11, 2019 I see EV but maybe another 10 years. Let them improve on battery first. Once this is solved, charing issues resolved, i think all passenger vehicles will be electric. I can't say for commercial heavy vehicles yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged February 18, 2019 Share February 18, 2019 Diesel price will increase, those who drive lorry, van, pickup, Diesel car, better pump full tank before petrol station up diesel price. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannnn 4th Gear February 18, 2019 Share February 18, 2019 Screenshot_20190218_175527_com.facebook.katana.jpg Diesel price will increase, those who drive lorry, van, pickup, Diesel car, better pump full tank before petrol station up diesel price. already up... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DACH Supersonic February 18, 2019 Share February 18, 2019 Bus fare going to increase. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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