Hydrogen cars could be headed to showroom near you

[Ct3833]

21 minutes ago, Toeknee_33 said:

What so surprising?? More than 100 years and they are still talking about electric cars. 

Aiya you go one corner and enjoy your rattly and smelly diesel lah.

Hydrogen will explode. You should stay away.

 

Mai leh, forum nia. But the progress made by  Hyundai xcient  is interesting to watch.

[Didu]

German auto giants place their bets on hydrogen cars

BMW & Audi..are hedging their bets, calculating that a change in political winds could shift the balance towards hydrogen in an industry shaped by early-mover Tesla's decision to take the battery-powered road to clean cars. Global auto hub Germany is in sharp focus. It is already betting billions on hydrogen fuel in sectors like steel and chemicals to meet climate targets, and closely-fought elections this month could see the Greens enter the coalition government and further push the technology.

BMW is hydrogen's biggest proponent among Germany's carmakers, charting a path to a mass-market model around 2030. The company also has one eye on shifting hydrogen policies in Europe and in China, the world's largest car market. The Munich-based premium player has developed a hydrogen prototype car based on its X5 SUV, in a project already partly funded by the German government. Jürgen Guldner, the BMW vice president who heads up the hydrogen fuel-cell car programme, told Reuters the carmaker would build a test fleet of close to 100 cars in 2022.

Hydrogen is viewed as a sure bet by the world's biggest truckmakers, such as Daimler AG unit Daimler Truck, Volvo Trucks and Hyundai, because batteries are too heavy for long-distance commercial vehicles. Yet fuel cell technology - where hydrogen passes through a catalyst, producing electricity - is for now too costly for mass-market consumer cars. Cells are complex and contain expensive materials, and although refuelling is quicker than battery recharging, infrastructure is more scarce.

The fact that hydrogen is so far behind in the race to the affordable market also means even some champions of the technology, like Germany's Greens, favour prioritising battery-powered passenger cars because they see them as the fastest way to reach their main goal of decarbonising transport. The Greens do, however, back the use of hydrogen fuel for ships and planes and want to invest heavily in "green" hydrogen produced solely from renewable sources.

"Hydrogen will play a highly important role in the transport industry," said Stefan Gelbhaar, the party's transport policy spokesperson in the Bundestag.

Politics can be unpredictable though - diesel went from saint to sinner following Volkswagen's Dieselgate emissions-cheating scandal, which came to light in 2015. Some carmakers view hydrogen technology as an insurance policy as the EU targets an effective ban on fossil-fuel cars from 2035.

To demonstrate BMW's hydrogen X5 prototype, Guldner took Reuters for a spin at 180 km (112 miles) per hour on the autobahn near the carmaker's Munich headquarters and in a few minutes gave it enough fuel to run 500 km using a hydrogen gas pump at a Total petrol station.

Guldner said BMW saw hydrogen fuel-cell cars as "complementary" to its future battery electric model range, providing an alternative for customers who cannot charge at home, want to travel far and refuel swiftly. The motor in the hydrogen X5 is the same as BMW's all-electric iX. "When the future is zero emissions, we believe having two answers is better than one," he added.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/german-auto-giants-place-their-bets-hydrogen-cars-2194056

 

[Didu]

Hydrogen bus may reach our shore ahead of cars. Our minister Fu is checking out the hardware at Glasgow  😁

Hydrogen buses ‘could be a solution’ for Singapore as transport sector goes green: Britain’s largest bus maker

Britain’s biggest bus manufacturer lies within an 80-year-old weathered building outside Glasgow. It is a facility that tells more a story of the company’s history than its future. But behind the facade of Alexander Dennis (ADL), real technological innovation is happening and it is clear that the company’s ageing face does not reflect the modernising intentions of its leader. The company is deliberately “technologically agnostic”, Davies said, a way of staying flexible and nimble to the needs of its global consumer base. That means it produces battery-electric buses and also has hydrogen fuel cell buses in its order pipeline, as well as the final wave of more conventional diesel engine buses. 

In hot countries, like in Southeast Asia, the extra energy requirements for providing cooling with air conditioning on buses will impact the performance of buses running on electricity. Analysis from the International Energy Agency (IEA) suggests that bus auxiliary power for cooling or heating can consume 20 per cent of onboard energy. 

“This is significant. It can impact the performance of the bus. However, where bus routes are not long and where there is possibility for opportunity charging, it can be possible to use batteries,” said Leonardo Paoli, an IEA energy technology analyst.

It has facilities in 10 different countries, including Hong Kong, China and Singapore, where public transport users may be familiar with the hundreds of Enviro500 double-deck buses in service. Singapore also aims to have 100 per cent greener, cleaner energy public bus and taxi fleets by 2040. Yet, the Land Transport Authority’s (LTA) last order with ADL - awarded in 2019 - was for diesel Enviro500 buses.

“We’ve got some work to do. The challenge for us is to take these buses from being diesel to something else. We now need to transform these to net zero emissions,” Davies said. 

“Hydrogen could be a real solution for Singapore. Hydrogen development is going to happen at pace. We’re ready for any and all of it. We have hundreds of talented engineers to navigate us through it.” 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sustainability/hydrogen-bus-cop26-singapore-2301601

[awhtc]

Hydrogen vehicles and electric vehicles will need a lot of electricity.

The power plants must start investing in new generation capacity and/or import greener electricity soon.

If not, our electricity prices will skyrocket.

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, awhtc said:

Hydrogen vehicles and electric vehicles will need a lot of electricity.

The power plants must start investing in new generation capacity and/or import greener electricity soon.

If not, our electricity prices will skyrocket.

It was mentioned previously that we have excess capacity within our grid.

[Apple-Tree]

1 hour ago, awhtc said:

Hydrogen vehicles and electric vehicles will need a lot of electricity.

The power plants must start investing in new generation capacity and/or import greener electricity soon.

If not, our electricity prices will skyrocket.

Abit of shock, so many provider belly up liao ...... boh pee my provider don't close shop sia ....... JUST SIGN 3 Yrs contract @16.80 hor .....

It is THAT SENSITIVE lor ....

Let take an imaginary journey, as EINSTEIN would have said it ...... To the year 2035 SG 

When SPH ST -> Dragon Times - > Many Times -> Lao Sai Times Report :

"Man, 50 Died at HDB Car Park After a Fight with 69 Years Old Woman over EV Charging Point" 

 

What should WE DO THEN ? Wait for PAP Lightning Rod to Charge Our EVs ah ? Hahahahhaha ..............

My Estate Neighbourhood GOT 1400 Carpark Lots hor ....... 1:1 or 1:2 or 1:3 ....... How may Sub-Station Need to Plant, where to plant ?

OK......How about H2 Car ?  1400 Fully Charged H2 Car parked at the Estate ...... How ?  

 

 

[Toeknee_33]

46 minutes ago, Apple-Tree said:

OK......How about H2 Car ?  1400 Fully Charged H2 Car parked at the Estate ...... How ?  

How? I say for you lor.

One explode, then the rest of the balance 1399 will also explode lor, like mini Hindenburgs, and the whole car park will be like an inferno, correct? 

Cos Hydrogen will really really explode right?

[Apple-Tree]

59 minutes ago, Toeknee_33 said:

How? I say for you lor.

One explode, then the rest of the balance 1399 will also explode lor, like mini Hindenburgs, and the whole car park will be like an inferno, correct? 

Cos Hydrogen will really really explode right?

Er ......... wait a minute ....... what's your catch ah ?

[inlinesix]

52 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

wah...why not Nuclear car?  can run forever.....

Accident how?
Hydrogen already linked to Burning Balloon

[mersaylee]

"...hundreds of talented engineers..."

Better vet the certs properly...engineering has a wide field...😁

[inlinesix]

 

[inlinesix]

27 minutes ago, mersaylee said:

"...hundreds of talented engineers..."

Better vet the certs properly...engineering has a wide field...😁

We are using Dennis Bus

Edited November 11, 2021 by inlinesix

[merc280v6]

On 11/10/2021 at 8:51 PM, awhtc said:

Hydrogen vehicles and electric vehicles will need a lot of electricity.

The power plants must start investing in new generation capacity and/or import greener electricity soon.

If not, our electricity prices will skyrocket.

No need.  Hydrogen can be blue (not necessarily green) H2 - where natural gas can be steam-reformed to make H2 more cheaply and efficiently than electrolysis ever could … and the CO2 byproduct then buried subterraneanly with CCS (carbon capture sequestration) technology.

Oil majors like Exxon and Chevron are investing millions into CCS R&D.

Singapore is already in talks with Malaysia and Indonesia on CCS applications in their huge hinterland’s subterranean space.

[merc280v6]

Singapore’s long-term Low-Carbon solution linked to Hydrogen and CCS

Singapore: NCCS, EDB, EMA, MPA and CAAS had jointly announced the development and deployment of SG’s low-carbon technology solutions shall be focused on Hydrogen and CCS.
The lifespan of EVs will inevitably be challenged … and the writing’s already on the wall.

[merc280v6]

Singapore’s Hydrogen Study Report

The GoS/NCCS-sponsored Hydrogen study has also been published recently.

Tesla’s run for the EV market / money will likely be short-lived.

The Japanese (led by Toyota, with Nissan and Honda), the Germans (BMW, VAG and Daimler-Benz), Koreans (Hyundai-KIA), Swedes (China-owned Volvo) and Chinese (Greatwall Motors and others), are all on the hydrogen trail.  
Toyota has already commercialised their Mirai model, with sales in Japan and USA.  They have also debuted their first Corolla prototype, running on a hydrogen-fueled internal combustion engine.

Edited November 15, 2021 by merc280v6
Additional info.

[awhtc]

7 minutes ago, merc280v6 said:

No need.  Hydrogen can be blue (not necessarily green) H2 - where natural gas can be steam-reformed to make H2 more cheaply and efficiently than electrolysis ever could … and the CO2 byproduct then buried subterraneanly with CCS (carbon capture sequestration) technology.

Oil majors like Exxon and Chevron are investing millions into CCS R&D.

Singapore is already in talks with Malaysia and Indonesia on CCS applications in their huge hinterland’s subterranean space.

 

That's why with greener fuels, our energy costs will escalate.  Inflation is going to be terrible in Singapore as we will see a surge in energy, water, other raw materials and food prices.

[inlinesix]

CAAS and Airbus to look into Changi Airport hydrogen hub as part of push for sustainable aviation
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/caas-and-airbus-to-look-into-changi-airport-hydrogen-hub-as-part-of-push-for

[Watwheels]

It will depend on how much the govt is willing to invest on the hydrogen infrastructure. 

In the US when George W Bush was president he invested billions developing on hydrogen tech or something but it came to nothing.

So I am doubtful it will be viable here w/o the help of other countries but I'm hopeful to see it work some day.