inlinesix Supersonic August 5, 2016 Share August 5, 2016 In mechanical terms, they are build differently. twin charge cars come with supercharger and turbocharger. Supercharger helps the car in low rev and give it extra oohm while turbocharger gives it more power at higher rev. Thus, you will feel the power at all power band. Why supercharger at lower power band and turbocharger at higher power band? Simply because supercharger charge up and spin at lower Rev(around 15k rev to 30k) if I didn't remember wrongly and turbocharger charge up and spin at higher rev(around 80k to 150k rpm) For new Audi, they only have single charge that's why car feels sluggish until they Turbocharge charge up. Turbocharge takes a longer time to charge up compare to Supercharger because of the higher rev. Of course, comparing a car with Supercharger vs Turbocharger, turbocharger will be able to put out more power. It depends on power to weight ratio. If the car is only 1000kg, maybe 150NM is enough to pull off the vehicle. But if you give it additional 50NM, you will definitely feel the pulling effect from the engine. Of course, if you compare a car of a Camry size, which also has 200NM of torque, you will feel that car is less power, because the effort to pull the car is the same, but the weight of the car increase. I believe, this is why they say 200NM has the pulling factor, cause for cars like A3, it is only 1.25T of weight. VW thinks too much. A simple twin scroll turbo already solve the problem. 1.4 TSI max torque 250 from 1,500 RPM BMW 1.5 3 cylinder max torque 230 from 1,250 RPM ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audi2016 5th Gear August 5, 2016 Share August 5, 2016 Excuse me, what kick back effect talking about with 200NM. ..seriously Different people different driving experience with different cars. As mentioned, if step up from 1.5/1.6L NA Japanese / Korean rides, 200-250nm is a big jump.. Can feel the pushed back into the seat effect from the early torque. Now 350nm also no effect. I think only passengers will feel it more than the driver Why supercharger at lower power band and turbocharger at higher power band? Simply because supercharger charge up and spin at lower Rev(around 15k rev to 30k) if I didn't remember wrongly and turbocharger charge up and spin at higher rev(around 80k to 150k rpm) To put it in engine RPM perspective, supercharger works from 0 rpm until 3500 rpm while the turbocharger kicks in from around 1750 rpm until 4500 rpm. At least that was what happened with my earlier twincharged Scirocco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwinter August 5, 2016 Share August 5, 2016 Tink the rush you're referring to is the torque surge when the turbo kicks in. If u love that feeling, u gotta get a turbo car with at least 200Nm+ or torque. The torque is fine at 200nm but what i need is the power to overtake with my whole family in it. Anyone who owns an A4 quattro 2.0 AWD has any comments on this ? Apparently i have high expectations of this factory owned 2nd hand as of now in the market Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelyaligned 1st Gear August 5, 2016 Share August 5, 2016 Buying a Conti or Jap/Korea cars is down to individual's preferences, as long as the owner is a responsible and courteous driver on the road that is the most important thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendstar Supercharged September 22, 2016 Share September 22, 2016 I have been seeing a lot of white Audi a3 with wheel cap! And a "w" at the bottom of passenger door. Are these PI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashbang Turbocharged September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 I have been seeing a lot of white Audi a3 with wheel cap! And a "w" at the bottom of passenger door. Are these PI? https://www.wolero.com/ Limousine service... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sdf4786k Twincharged September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 I have been seeing a lot of white Audi a3 with wheel cap! And a "w" at the bottom of passenger door. Are these PI? I think limo services Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendstar Supercharged September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 Audi with wheel cap is really hideous! Then again. Audi a3 at PI only cost 117k Very competitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passion 5th Gear September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 I have been seeing a lot of white Audi a3 with wheel cap! And a "w" at the bottom of passenger door. Are these PI? Should be from PA. All these are rental car doing service like Uber and Grab. Nowadays all premium brand cars no longer premium. Even A6 and S series they buy and do this kind of chauffeur business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sdf4786k Twincharged September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 Audi with wheel cap is really hideous! Then again. Audi a3 at PI only cost 117k Very competitive. Should always be specs in this config as the stock sports rim is equally CMI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audi2016 5th Gear September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 Audi with wheel cap is really hideous! Then again. Audi a3 at PI only cost 117k Very competitive. Awhile ago PA selling the A3 sedans at $119K.. granted it's probably limited stocks but still seems like a better deal considering the usual PI vs AD mindset differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerobim08 4th Gear September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 Different people different driving experience with different cars. As mentioned, if step up from 1.5/1.6L NA Japanese / Korean rides, 200-250nm is a big jump.. Can feel the pushed back into the seat effect from the early torque. Now 350nm also no effect. I think only passengers will feel it more than the driver To put it in engine RPM perspective, supercharger works from 0 rpm until 3500 rpm while the turbocharger kicks in from around 1750 rpm until 4500 rpm. At least that was what happened with my earlier twincharged Scirocco. I think the transmission also plays a major part. How the engine power/torque is matched to the gearbox. Given the same engine, I think the car with a DCT gearbox would outperform the other types of gearbox. If I remember correctly, a comparison was done between the old twin-charge 1.4L with the new 1.4L single turbo shows the single turbo matched or even outperformed. Of course this maybe due to more optimization/enhancement to the later single turbo engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Supersonic September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 Should be from PA. All these are rental car doing service like Uber and Grab. Nowadays all premium brand cars no longer premium. Even A6 and S series they buy and do this kind of chauffeur business.Audi is uber car. MB is teksi. BMW is bus walk mrt. No wonder ppl call us Monaco of the East.....haha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therock Supersonic September 23, 2016 Share September 23, 2016 Uber car or not, IMO, that shouldn't be the decided factor. If you like the car, get it... ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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