Property in Johor

[Victor68]

Malaysian friends told me they don't fancy condo as landed properties in Malaysian are not that expensive. And you don't have to worry about no one maintaining the common properties and neighbours not paying for mgt fees and sinking fund

I plantation can convert to massive housing. There are plenty of land if there is demand. If you look at their condo and shopping malls, just a few years after completion, badly maintained and poor control. Don't have a strong authority to govern the running of private properties there. Local therefore prefer landed and self manage.

[Staff69]

 

 

 

 

Iskandar Malaysia Property Investments – 5 Reasons Why They’re a Bad Idea

By aaron loy
January 3, 2015
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A few months back, I entertained the thought of buying a property in Iskandar Malaysia, either as a home for myself, or as a rental property. The relatively weak Malaysian Ringgit makes it a very enticing proposition, but while personal factors (like location of friends, lack of personal transport and poor internet infrastructure) ruled out my using the property as a home, I also quickly realized that it’s also a very bad idea to buy one as an investment.
Now, I don’t pretend to be an expert in property investmenting, but what I do have however, are insights as the son of a real estate agent, and my penchant for (overly?) anal-analytical thinking.
So why is investing in Properties in Iskandar Malaysia currently a bad idea? Here are some of my reasons:

1. Limits on Foreigners
There are 2 parts to this.
The 1st one, which is arguably superficial, is that in every project, certain units are always reserved for the local Malay populace. There are informally called ‘Bumi Units’, named after the ‘Bumiputera‘, the policy. You can read more about it here.
In practice, you’ll find that some of the best units will not be available for purchase because you’re not a local Malay. An annoyance for those buying for yourselves, though probably not as big of an issue if you’re planning to rent the place (There are of course loopholes to get around the problem, but we’ll focus on the ‘official’ stuff only, yea?).
The most important thing though, is that foreigners are only allowed to buy property above a certain limit. It was RM500,000, and as of 3rd March’14, it has been raised to RM1,000,000.
Understandably, this is to prevent rapid rise in prices due to over-speculation, which is a good thing for the locals. As an investor however, this will be a problem for your exit strategy, which we’ll talk about later.

2. Are Businesses Moving In? Who are your Tenants?
Iskandar Malaysia is being sold as a holistic nirvana where anybody can work, play, and live a balanced life.
Be that as it may, there’s 1 fundamental a lot of new investors miss when they’re considering an investment here; Are businesses moving in?
Think about it. In any new town, businesses must set up shop first before the people (employees of these businesses) move in. I’m not sure that’s the case with this region.
The next time you bring yourself and/or your family along to Johor for your shopping and seafood, keep your eyes open and pay attention to the commercial spaces. Are the shops doing well? Are their customers mostly locals or weekender Singaporeans? Where are the offices, warehouses and other non-retail spaces? Are they filled or mostly empty? etc.
This is important information because you need to figure out who’s going to rent your property and if there’s demand. From what I see so far, demand from local business staff is extremely low.
The other side of this argument is that because of the increasing cost of living in Singapore, more people will starting living cross-causeway livelihoods, working in Singapore while staying in Johor. A valid point, I concede, but honestly, when will the demand start to rise?
How many are willing to spend the extra time, at least twice a day, 5 times a week, enduring traffic jams going to and fro work via the check points? Until Singapore and Malaysia stop bickering and solve this fundamental logistical issue can large scale cross-causeway livelihoods become a reality. This, and the recent measures to (finally) increase supply of houses in Singapore, means that most people will still opt to stay here.
So, who’s going to rent your property?

3. Competition Against Other Investors
I shall attempt to figure out why you’re thinking of investing in Iskandar Malaysia with the help of my crystal ball… let’s see now…. mmmm……. ahhh… I see…:
1. You’re new to property investing
2. Malaysia is still ‘familiar’ territory compared to, say, the Philippines or Vietnam
3. Properties in Malaysia are much cheaper than those in Singapore (2.5x cheaper sial!)
4. No Money Down (It seems like the Malaysian government is cracking down on this loophole though)
…. close?
Hey, don’t take it personally. Knowing yourself is half the battle won yes? I’m in the same boat as you =)
With that done… do you see a problem?
We’ve already established that rental demand isn’t exactly hot in that area right now, yes? And yet, it seems like housing in Iskandar is (or was?) selling quite well, and I suspect, to those with the same mindset as you and me.
So, not only do we have questionable demand, but we also seem to have an oversupply of new wannabe ‘investors’ trying to rent as well, which means there will be a large supply of rental properties in the market, and a large supple would mean lower rentals and a lower return on investment, isn’t it?

Mmmm… Singapore Dollars looking Delicious
4. Cheap Investment?
One of my pet peeves is that the word ‘cheap’ is often misused. It’s often used to denote ‘low priced’ when it should mean ‘low for its price’ instead. Let’s put it this way, buying a $1,000,000 sports car that costs $2,000,000 to make is ‘cheap’, while $7.90 for the same nail clipper that can be bought for $2 at a pasar malam (night market) is called ‘expensive’. Price ≠ Actual Value.
Anyway…
A similar problem plagues the mindset of the wannabe investors who are exploring the possibility of investing in Iskandarian properties; They (or We, I should say) feel that these projects are ‘cheap’ because they’re ‘cheaper’ than properties in Singapore.
In my opinion, Iskandar Malaysia is, especially their residential projects, in effect, like Batam Island, in that they’re made to cater to Singaporean cash cows who are willing to be milked. In other words, most of it is hype, with inflated prices and an excess of fake demand.

5. Exit Strategy?
Let’s say, for whatever reason, the time has come for you to sell this property of yours. Now, before we talk about making or losing money, let’s talk about the 2 primary factors that will effect your ability to do so:
The RM1,000,000 lower purchase limit on foreigners, and the fact that most properties launched are priced between RM500,000 and RM1,000,000.
Oops.
You have to remember that these projects are not made to be affordable for the locals; They’re there to maximize profits from foreigners (read: Singaporeans) with cash to spare. So, unless the government lowers the limit or there’s a miracle spike in property prices, the limit effectively eliminates all foreigners as potential buyers for your property.
How can you sell.. when there are no buyers?

Conclusion
1. Limits on foreigners that limits choices.
2. A practically non-existent rental market.
3. Competing against a large pool of ‘investors’ for a small pool of tenants.
4. Bad value for money.
5. Effectively, no way out of this investment.
Honestly, all one needs to do is to ask some simple questions and do a little research to know that investing in Iskandar Malaysian properties is, at best, a questionable move to make. There are too many things working against you and expecting any of those factors to change is almost akin to gambling, hoping for a good card to appear.
Investing may be a game, but it’s a game you want to win by making informed choices.
There’s a word for taking chances and hoping for the best: Gambling.
At the moment, in my humble opinion, the local government and the property developers made a killing while the ultimate losers are those who bought units before the limit increased to RM1,000,000. These people are stuck with a property that’s extremely difficult sell or rent to break even, much less make a profit out of.
Here’s the thing though; There IS a potential for that place. After all, with the cost of living in Singapore on the rise and its government’s penchant for taking short-cuts to solve its population problem, an increasing number of people will consider staying around Iskandar Malaysia as a permanent compromise between convenience and lower cost of living.
That being said, I believe that the potential will only be realised in the relatively far future, and things will only get much worst before it becomes a viable investment option.
I hope this ‘layman’s’ take on the subject has given some insight into the topic. Remember to share this post, especially with those who are considering a purchase in the area.
Do check out another take on the same topic @ Dr Wealth: Iskandar Malaysia is Only Going One Way – Down. Research is always important, yes?

http://www.theaaronl...yre-a-bad-idea/

Edited June 23, 2019 by Staff69

[Wt_know]

buy property in msia especially iskandar

is for speculation ... like buying china s-stock ...

based on story and euphoria ... flip and make quick money

not blue chip that has sustainable business model

 

for living ... still good buy

1M sgd = 3M myr

smelly smelly 2-storeys with 30x70 land size

but mostly 99yrs liao ... no more FH in the good old days

Edited June 23, 2019 by Wt_know

[Matrix0405]

buy property in msia especially iskandar

is for speculation ... like buying china s-stock ...

based on story and euphoria ... flip and make quick money

not blue chip that has sustainable business model

 

for living ... still good buy

1M sgd = 3M myr

smelly smelly 2-storeys with 30x70 land size

but mostly 99yrs liao ... no more FH in the good old days

 

Even for own stay, can consider to rent. Eg, landed in Austin height area monthly rent is S$600. No burden of pty tax, bank loan, maintenance.  

[Wt_know]

$600??? going to rent for pool party liao .... lol

[blueunicorn]

I think it's a sound investment especially with the recent Capital City's indoor theme park. It will be one of the key tourist attractions in Johor and for sure the place will soon be a family-friendly travel destination.

[Staff69]

 

Am sure his final words to his son, " fix singapore"

Edited July 12, 2019 by Staff69

[Blueray]

politicians ... 

[Staff69]

[awhtc]

First time I see a robber bringing a chair and a cup of water for the victim. The family must have forgotten to lock the door or gate.

[Staff69]

First time I see a robber bringing a chair and a cup of water for the victim. The family must have forgotten to lock the door or gate.

the forum said that the robbers climbed over the fence. luckily no pretty gal...or else

First time I see a robber bringing a chair and a cup of water for the victim. The family must have forgotten to lock the door or gate.

the forum said that the robbers climbed over the fence. luckily no pretty gal...or else Edited July 24, 2019 by Staff69

[Staff69]

 

after robbing and killing the victims, they set the house on fire

 

https://www.facebook.com/255057814552667/posts/2775998089125281/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.sinchew.com.my/content/content_2089462.html

 

 

 

 

kana hacked when collecting rental

Edited July 24, 2019 by Staff69

[Zxcvb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkPqjEyqoic

 

Forest City update. The development is really fast. A year ago I went there were still quite bare land.

[Wt_know]

someone forwarded this to me

nabei ... i thought got simi kangtow

sharing is caring

cannot sell and force to move to jb

live in jb and rent out hdb

it’s an idiot proof game plan for all sinkies la

Edited August 11, 2019 by Wt_know

[Dafansu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkPqjEyqoic

 

Forest City update. The development is really fast. A year ago I went there were still quite bare land.

 

It's still bare cause little human there 

[awhtc]

The intermediate result is a lot better than expected based on this aerial view taken in May 2019:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eRPXW2CQHc

 

If 99-year LH condos in Singapore continue to move towards $2,000 psf within the next 10 year (next batch in OCRs that are launching next year is moving towards $1,500 psf), it could re-ignite demand for freehold properties in Iskandar Johor.

[Wt_know]

no many FH in iskandar

mostly 99LH ... value at RM500k max but jack up to RM1000k

johor kia said one

Edited August 11, 2019 by Wt_know

[awhtc]

no many FH in iskandar

mostly 99LH ... value at RM500k max but jack up to RM1000k

johor kia said one

 

Most condos in JB are FH except in Johor Bahru and Medini.