Knoobie Supercharged September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 More juicy stuff about this AT. http://therealsingapore.com/content/prc-who-manipulated-87yr-old-widow-pap-supporter-who-got-pr-fake-degree IDK why this article keep emphasizing the AT is supporter of PAP.. I mean.. c'mon, which FT is not supporter of PAP???? ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 (edited) got $$ got talk ... no talk also can find a way ... period Edited September 4, 2014 by Wt_know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 I think to be fair, it is not easy for ICA to verify all institute world wide and we all know they are going to use that as an excuse too. While being so, I ask why didn't ICA ever considered approving applications from recognised institute that provides services for them to verify the authencity of the certificate? Even if they did, we still cannot 100% chop the person really did achieve his/her cert from the top of the table.. you know lah, every country you got the money you can be the king.. Actually China is huge with thousands of institute, so as India, philippines ,etc. if they were to check it will be a chores, now u go ICA and seel how flocked the foreigners level 4, basically ICA need to build 100 storey building to accomodate all these people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH1667 Hypersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 There is no fool proof way to verify degree, as the degrees come from countries where ICA has no authority over. For the same reasons, HDB cannot find out if the PR has properties overseas. However, there have been slight improvements. AFAIK, those who have hired people lately will know. Degrees from PRC have to be verified by one of the registered authorities in China starting from about a year ago. But this does not apply to degrees from other countries where centralized education records are unavailable. I guess they have been relying on companies and hiring managers to do their own due diligence, but this is not enough. In several other countries, the hiring manager needs to write long scope of work and business justification to be reviewed by immigration. Here, I've never been asked to write anything - so its very efficient, but also convenient for those trying to cheat the system. Again, there is probably a lack of physical checks on whether the employment pass holders are really working in the capacity they claimed. In other countries, there are immigrant agents physically going to the registered address to spot check that the foreign workers are not only working there, but are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. These are not just on construction workers, but also senior management, professionals, etc. Thank you for sharing the verification process here and overseas. the lack of checking or doing spot check as you have pointed out certainly made those with intent to cheat got away easier. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 haha ... no need la ... speaking of efficiency, just operate 24x7 to approve and renew applications can liao ... hehe Actually China is huge with thousands of institute, so as India, philippines ,etc. if they were to check it will be a chores, now u go ICA and seel how flocked the foreigners level 4, basically ICA need to build 100 storey building to accomodate all these people 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 haha ... no need la ... speaking of efficiency, just operate 24x7 to approve and renew applications can liao ... hehe Hire who to work around the clock? FT ah, haha 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 (edited) haha ... why not ... going forward 50% of sporean is FT what ... so hire FT sporean ... Hire who to work around the clock? FT ah, haha Edited September 4, 2014 by Wt_know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knoobie Supercharged September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 Actually China is huge with thousands of institute, so as India, philippines ,etc. if they were to check it will be a chores, now u go ICA and seel how flocked the foreigners level 4, basically ICA need to build 100 storey building to accomodate all these people I know its not easy.. but not doing because it is difficult is an bad excuse.. that's why I say to make their life easier, why not only approve those from selected institute which we could cross reference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 haha ... why not ... going forward 50% of sporean is FT what ... so hire FT sporean ... Later FT see FT, talk same dialect, kakilang!, stamp come out already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 if unable to verify, why approve? shouldnt it be: since unable to verify, dont approve till verified? strange stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vid Hypersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 More... http://therealsingapore.com/content/prc-who-took-over-widows-bungalow-made-physical-advances-toward-87yr-old 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Bear Turbocharged September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 can we just hang him like we do to bad people? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camrysfa Turbocharged September 4, 2014 Author Share September 4, 2014 I have heard up north many stateless ;read the quote last part. An example of don't any how approve? There are an estimated 150,000 stateless children in Malaysia. Many are from remote communities in the peninsula's jungle interior or across the sea in Borneo. Others are the children of refugees or migrants, and still more are ethnic Indians whose battle to prove they are Malaysians can be traced back to Malaya's independence from Britain in the late 1950s. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axela72 5th Gear September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 Those ppls that made such comment always only talk about the 1st half but not the 2nd half. The 2nd half is during that time, Singapore is nobody. Some of our forefather dont even know what is Singapore before they arrive. During that era, our currency is not like many time more than those foreigner's countries. If our currency exchange rate is the other way round, do you think those that come now will still come here? Then how ? Malaya and Singapore would not have existed in the first place. Most of our forefathers have nothing to prove or verify. Just arrive and work. It is a free economy model driven by business. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picnic06-Biante15 Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 There is no fool proof way to verify degree, as the degrees come from countries where ICA has no authority over. For the same reasons, HDB cannot find out if the PR has properties overseas. However, there have been slight improvements. AFAIK, those who have hired people lately will know. Degrees from PRC have to be verified by one of the registered authorities in China starting from about a year ago. But this does not apply to degrees from other countries where centralized education records are unavailable. I guess they have been relying on companies and hiring managers to do their own due diligence, but this is not enough. In several other countries, the hiring manager needs to write long scope of work and business justification to be reviewed by immigration. Here, I've never been asked to write anything - so its very efficient, but also convenient for those trying to cheat the system. Again, there is probably a lack of physical checks on whether the employment pass holders are really working in the capacity they claimed. In other countries, there are immigrant agents physically going to the registered address to spot check that the foreign workers are not only working there, but are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. These are not just on construction workers, but also senior management, professionals, etc. Hmmmmmmmm........... make them take our GCE 'O' (for diploma holders) and 'A' (for degree holder) level exam to proof they got such thing we called it 'brain' ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktglfc Hypersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 Hmmmmmmmm........... make them take our GCE 'O' (for diploma holders) and 'A' (for degree holder) level exam to proof they got such thing we called it 'brain' ... Too hard for them. Compromise.. Ask them to take our PSLE Maybe they dont understand English 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 Hmmmmmmmm........... make them take our GCE 'O' (for diploma holders) and 'A' (for degree holder) level exam to proof they got such thing we called it 'brain' ... U joking har? Last time my ah tiong classmate sec 2 come from china can solve O level Maths and physics, don't play play with them. Every exam score at least 90 and above 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picnic06-Biante15 Supersonic September 4, 2014 Share September 4, 2014 U joking har? Last time my ah tiong classmate sec 2 come from china can solve O level Maths and physics, don't play play with them. Every exam score at least 90 and above Only in maths niah.... and maybe Mother Tongue they can pass we still have English, Science, Social Study, ..... They must pass all subjects .... ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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