2016 Mercedes E-class (W213)

[Voodooman]

6 hours ago, Mkl22 said:

big CC is now passe... lets see who can make the biggest car with the smallest cc...

I thought the new E180 is powered by a 1.5l TC engine producing the equivalent of a 1.8l drivetrain? It is still a less powerful car in this case. Is this naming convention valid for MB?

Edited February 17, 2020 by Voodooman

[Voodooman]

On 1/26/2020 at 7:00 AM, camrysfe said:

https://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/attachment-jpg.501368/

Gosh, it looks very different from the old E.  

I am glad I jumped ship, can't keep up with their "revolutionary" design each time, it is not good for the pocket.

[Mkl22]

Damn cock up. Bring in E180 Must pay 10k for C1 VES. And then need to strip down it further to make a price difference from E200 Substantial enough ......wait.... 

 

 

 

 

 

I’m the dumb one here. Just jack up the price of E200 and E300 even more and probably still can sell... done. 😀

[camrysfe]

17 minutes ago, Mkl22 said:

Damn cock up. Bring in E180 Must pay 10k for C1 VES. And then need to strip down it further to make a price difference from E200 Substantial enough ......wait.... 

 

 

 

 

 

I’m the dumb one here. Just jack up the price of E200 and E300 even more and probably still can sell... done. 😀

omv will probably be much lower than the e200 to cover the lower selling price

[camrysfe]

[TeamAMG69]

12 hours ago, Voodooman said:

I thought the new E180 is powered by a 1.5l TC engine producing the equivalent of a 1.8l drivetrain? It is still a less powerful car in this case. Is this naming convention valid for MB?

Naming convention is a mess across other brands as well 

https://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_listing.php?MOD=BMW

BMW 3 series, 320/330 is 2L , 340 is 3L

BMW 5 series 520/530 is 2L, 540 is 3L 

BMW X2 sDrive18 M sport is 1.5Litre, 20i is 2L

 

[TeamAMG69]

14 hours ago, camrysfe said:

its the same engine from the c200 but without the eq boost

so same engine as C160 ?

so basically Merc C200 FL heart use in two other car models ? C160 & E180 ?

[Innocuous]

56 minutes ago, TeamAMG69 said:

so same engine as C160 ?

so basically Merc C200 FL heart use in two other car models ? C160 & E180 ?

Just spoke with my sales from C&C 

Almost similar technical spec like C180  at hp-power 156

Selling Price 229888

Less first 50 cars - $5000

High over trade now above 20k 

So all in Mambo Jumbo , is effective price around $192k 

 

 

 

[camrysfe]

5 minutes ago, Innocuous said:

Just spoke with my sales from C&C 

Almost similar technical spec like C180  at hp-power 156

Selling Price 229888

Less first 50 cars - $5000

High over trade now above 20k 

So all in Mambo Jumbo , is effective price around $192k 

 

 

 

Same output as the c180 but is actually a diff engine. The c180 is using old Renault engine which is 1.6litre. The new e180 is using the same engine as the c160 but with more power.

[camrysfe]

1 hour ago, TeamAMG69 said:

so same engine as C160 ?

so basically Merc C200 FL heart use in two other car models ? C160 & E180 ?

Yeah. In fact there is a version of e200 using the same engine as the c200 in some overseas market.

[TeamAMG69]

20 minutes ago, camrysfe said:

Same output as the c180 but is actually a diff engine. The c180 is using old Renault engine which is 1.6litre. The new e180 is using the same engine as the c160 but with more power.

is there any technical information / website on the engine which states E180 is the same engine as C160 ?

[RogerNg_185295]

45 minutes ago, Innocuous said:

Just spoke with my sales from C&C 

Almost similar technical spec like C180  at hp-power 156

Selling Price 229888

Less first 50 cars - $5000

High over trade now above 20k 

So all in Mambo Jumbo , is effective price around $192k 

 

 

 

Thats pretty expensive 

[Voodooman]

1 hour ago, TeamAMG69 said:

Naming convention is a mess across other brands as well 

https://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_listing.php?MOD=BMW

BMW 3 series, 320/330 is 2L , 340 is 3L

BMW 5 series 520/530 is 2L, 540 is 3L 

BMW X2 sDrive18 M sport is 1.5Litre, 20i is 2L

 

Yes, it is confusing.

I was told BMW's naming convention is based on power output, the two digits after the model name is an indication of the “feel” of the drivetrain.  3.0 ‘feels’ like a 3-litre engine. 40 in X5 feels like a 4-litre engine. 

i thought MB is also keeping to that convention although it is really easy to inflate those numbers these days since they are no longer based on actual engine displacement.

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, Innocuous said:

Just spoke with my sales from C&C 

Almost similar technical spec like C180  at hp-power 156

Selling Price 229888

Less first 50 cars - $5000

High over trade now above 20k 

So all in Mambo Jumbo , is effective price around $192k 

$192k for 1.5L TC E180.  That's shockingly "cheap"

[jk228b]

1 hour ago, Innocuous said:

Just spoke with my sales from C&C 

Almost similar technical spec like C180  at hp-power 156

Selling Price 229888

Less first 50 cars - $5000

High over trade now above 20k 

So all in Mambo Jumbo , is effective price around $192k 

 

 

 

if compare how much c160 costs..this looks like a steal...lol...

or other way to think about it....the merc premium is super high..profits gao gao..

[camrysfe]

1 hour ago, TeamAMG69 said:

is there any technical information / website on the engine which states E180 is the same engine as C160 ?

Just match the engine cc

[Spring]

17 minutes ago, jk228b said:

if compare how much c160 costs..this looks like a steal...lol...

or other way to think about it....the merc premium is super high..profits gao gao..

If I remember correctly, c160 was selling for $160k thereabouts at motorshow so can't really say this e180 is a steal right?

[Meloble]

2 hours ago, camrysfe said:

Same output as the c180 but is actually a diff engine. The c180 is using old Renault engine which is 1.6litre. The new e180 is using the same engine as the c160 but with more power.

Both the C-Class and E-Class are using Mercedes in-house engines M264 and Mercedes Gearbox 9G-Tronic. Where did you get the info from that it is renault? What's your source? 

 

FYI 

C160 - M264 Single Scroll Turbo 1.5L w/ 9G-TRONIC

E180 - M264 Twin Scroll Turbo 1.5L w/ 9G-TRONIC