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There's only four countries in the world that still have real air warfare doctrine or experience.

 

1. USA

2. Israel in the 2 wars

3. UK in the falklands war

4. Russians fighting for North vietnam 


Of course everyone else is trained by these parties.

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A fighter also need to be able to refuel with the kc-135 we have. So it's like buying a whole ecosystem. U can't suka suka say i want 1 fighter to be russian/PRC lol

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Most times you buy to put on show. When the real thing comes, then of course the seller has to ensure their machines are performing. Big bros will then come in and give that additional support since they have vested interest here. It is a deposit lah.

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Singapore will buy four F-35 fighter jets for testing.

 

we buying 4 instead of 1 now... [nosebleed]

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They allocate a lot of $$ to the defence budget. Buying 4 is just for a start. If the jet works well, they may buy even more.

Friends ask me whether we can win a war or not....I told them such expensive hardware act as a deterrent effect only.

 

Singapore will buy four F-35 fighter jets for testing.

 

we buying 4 instead of 1 now... [nosebleed]

 

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A carefully-worded response:

 

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2018/03/20/singapore-denies-acquisition-of-new-leopard-tank-variant/

 

MELBOURNE, Australia ― Singapore is denying it took delivery of Leopard 2A7 main battle tanks from Germany, contradicting a report by a Swedish nongovernmental organization.

 

A spokesperson from Singapore’s Ministry of Defence told Defense News that “no other variants of the Leopard has been acquired” since the country ordered Leopard 2A4 tanks from Germany in 2006.

 

The spokesperson was responding to queries following the publication of the annual arms transfer database by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which says Singapore received 12 Leopard 2A7 tanks from Germany between 2016 and 2017.

Two separate sources close to Singapore’s Leopard 2 program have also told Defense News they are unaware of Singapore adding the Leopard 2A7 into its inventory, with one citing the additional logistics burden of operating different subsystems on the Leopard 2A7 from its existing fleet of tanks.

 

Despite denying the acquisition of the Leopard 2A7, it does look like Singapore is ordering additional Leopard 2 tanks, with the German government’s annual military equipment export report stating that a further seven was delivered to Singapore in 2016. German government reports previously indicated that export licences for $402.6 million worth of “tanks, armoured bridgelayers, armoured engineering vehicles, trucks” and associated parts were granted to Singapore in 2014, although no specifics were mentioned.

 

 

Singapore initially ordered a total of 96 Leopard 2 tanks drawn from surplus German stocks in 2004, with 66 put into service and the remaining 30 reportedly gazetted for spares.

Further orders have been made prior to the 2016 deliveries, with Germany declaring the export of 161 Leopard 2 tanks to Singapore between 2007 and 2012 in its reports to the United Nations Register of Conventional Arms database. Singapore declared the receipt of 156 Leopard 2A4s during the same period.

 

The German Army is in line for an upgrade of its tanks, based on the expectation that future conflicts will rely heavily on ground warfare with armored vehicles.

 

This would bring Singapore’s total to at least 163 tanks. The country also operates the Kodiak armored engineering vehicle, Buffel armored recovery vehicle and armored bridgelayers based on the Leopard 2 chassis.

 

The Leopard 2A4s are being progressively upgraded to the Leopard 2SG standard by ST Engineering in conjunction with Singapore’s Defence Science and Technology Agency. The upgrade program includes the addition of IBD Deisenroth Engineering armor kits; a new fire-control system and auxiliary power unit; a battlefield management system; and Elbit Systems’ Commander Open Architecture Panoramic Sight, which is manufactured under license in Singapore.

 

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A carefully-worded response:

 

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2018/03/20/singapore-denies-acquisition-of-new-leopard-tank-variant/

 

 

MELBOURNE, Australia â Singapore is denying it took delivery of Leopard 2A7 main battle tanks from Germany, contradicting a report by a Swedish nongovernmental organization.

 

 

A spokesperson from Singaporeâs Ministry of Defence told Defense News that âno other variants of the Leopard has been acquiredâ since the country ordered Leopard 2A4 tanks from Germany in 2006.

 

 

The spokesperson was responding to queries following the publication of the annual arms transfer database by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which says Singapore received 12 Leopard 2A7 tanks from Germany between 2016 and 2017.

 

Two separate sources close to Singaporeâs Leopard 2 program have also told Defense News they are unaware of Singapore adding the Leopard 2A7 into its inventory, with one citing the additional logistics burden of operating different subsystems on the Leopard 2A7 from its existing fleet of tanks.

 

 

Despite denying the acquisition of the Leopard 2A7, it does look like Singapore is ordering additional Leopard 2 tanks, with the German governmentâs annual military equipment export report stating that a further seven was delivered to Singapore in 2016. German government reports previously indicated that export licences for $402.6 million worth of âtanks, armoured bridgelayers, armoured engineering vehicles, trucksâ and associated parts were granted to Singapore in 2014, although no specifics were mentioned.

 

 

 

Singapore initially ordered a total of 96 Leopard 2 tanks drawn from surplus German stocks in 2004, with 66 put into service and the remaining 30 reportedly gazetted for spares.

 

Further orders have been made prior to the 2016 deliveries, with Germany declaring the export of 161 Leopard 2 tanks to Singapore between 2007 and 2012 in its reports to the United Nations Register of Conventional Arms database. Singapore declared the receipt of 156 Leopard 2A4s during the same period.

 

 

The German Army is in line for an upgrade of its tanks, based on the expectation that future conflicts will rely heavily on ground warfare with armored vehicles.

 

 

This would bring Singaporeâs total to at least 163 tanks. The country also operates the Kodiak armored engineering vehicle, Buffel armored recovery vehicle and armored bridgelayers based on the Leopard 2 chassis.

 

 

The Leopard 2A4s are being progressively upgraded to the Leopard 2SG standard by ST Engineering in conjunction with Singaporeâs Defence Science and Technology Agency. The upgrade program includes the addition of IBD Deisenroth Engineering armor kits; a new fire-control system and auxiliary power unit; a battlefield management system; and Elbit Systemsâ Commander Open Architecture Panoramic Sight, which is manufactured under license in Singapore.

This news is quote sometime ago. But I guess its probably inaccurate.

 

Pretty sure the units are still training in 2A4s

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/iran-us-tensions-latest-intl/index.html

 

Didn't realize that a Global Hawk cost so much more than a single F-35

 

Didn't realize that for that price tag it does not have any defensive fitments. It seemed that they forgot the lessons of Gary Power's U-2 downing incident and just felt it flew high enough to be immune. 

 

I am impressed that the Iranians didn't accidentally shoot down a passing jetliner like the Americans did. Or maybe its just pure dumb luck. 

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/iran-us-tensions-latest-intl/index.html

 

Didn't realize that a Global Hawk cost so much more than a single F-35

 

Didn't realize that for that price tag it does not have any defensive fitments. It seemed that they forgot the lessons of Gary Power's U-2 downing incident and just felt it flew high enough to be immune. 

 

I am impressed that the Iranians didn't accidentally shoot down a passing jetliner like the Americans did. Or maybe its just pure dumb luck. 

iran mention they willing to go to the UN to prove the drone enter their area.

US didnt respond to that, only insists that it did not.

 

and when US shoot down a civilan airliner and killing every 1 onboard.

i think they only pay about 200k per passanger.

 

non of the US officer was ever trial by any UN court any any court at all.

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/iran-us-tensions-latest-intl/index.html

 

Didn't realize that a Global Hawk cost so much more than a single F-35

 

Didn't realize that for that price tag it does not have any defensive fitments. It seemed that they forgot the lessons of Gary Power's U-2 downing incident and just felt it flew high enough to be immune.

 

I am impressed that the Iranians didn't accidentally shoot down a passing jetliner like the Americans did. Or maybe its just pure dumb luck.

To be fair, the global hawk may be a drone but it's a fairly huge one. In between the size of an F-5E and a F16. Looking at the shape I doubt maneuverability is its forte, let along out maneuvering a missile...
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To be fair, the global hawk may be a drone but it's a fairly huge one. In between the size of an F-5E and a F16. Looking at the shape I doubt maneuverability is its forte, let along out maneuvering a missile...

 

And that's kind of my point, the drone cost US$123 million and the F-35 $89 million. For a drone with no offensive or defensive capabilities to cost so much means there are heaps of extremely high-value technology on board - whereas the F-35 being a multi-role jet needs survivability, networking, stealth, offensive and defensive components.

 

Its singularity of purpose coupled with the high price tag is akin to leaving your diamond ring sitting on the front porch of your house, just within reach of random passersby swiping it as they walk past.

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u really need big tanks to make your army look differently [:)]

 

we have a special guest in this year NDP. Need to show him so that he won't do funny thing to us

 

the organiser better ensure all systems go. If not, a medical doctor by training may say Singapore asset also sama sama [laugh]

 

In case of breakdown, which hard to say, they also must demonstrate speedy recovery

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u really need big tanks to make your army look differently [:)]

 

Actually, you need a column of big tanks to send a message. One or a handful isn't enough to deter as they can't be everywhere at the same time. 

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