Military talk thread

[mersaylee]

 

 

 

Maciam Guards unit, no?

[Pocus]

Maciam Guards unit, no?

They are Singapore only full regular Battalion so their training is more on the ball.

 

They cross trained guards and armored ops. Supposed to be our rapid deployment force.

 

Also CST trained by commandos..

 

Also any new hardware and gears they get to play first...

Edited August 16, 2019 by Pocus

[The_Bear]

They are Singapore only full regular Battalion so their training is more on the ball.

 

They cross trained guards and armored ops. Supposed to be our rapid deployment force.

 

Also CST trained by commandos..

 

Also any new hardware and gears they get to play first...

IIRC, ADT was formed after our participation in Timor Leste. SAF did not have an entire unit deployable for combat operations into Timor. For Timor, a battalion (?) sized unit was hastily formed using mostly regulars all the way down to rifleman. Then, all infantry, guards and even commandos units were a mix of regulars and NSFs or NSmen. While it is technically possible to deploy, it would be a PR disaster if the casualty count stacks up. It was then SAF realized that we need an organic combat unit.

[mersaylee]

IIRC, ADT was formed after our participation in Timor Leste. SAF did not have an entire unit deployable for combat operations into Timor. For Timor, a battalion (?) sized unit was hastily formed using mostly regulars all the way down to rifleman. Then, all infantry, guards and even commandos units were a mix of regulars and NSFs or NSmen. While it is technically possible to deploy, it would be a PR disaster if the casualty count stacks up. It was then SAF realized that we need an organic combat unit.

So this ADT unit is to ensure the $170 water tap at polis HQ has water when turned...?

[Macrosszero]

Sounds like the equivalent of a Marine Expeditionary Unit:

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Marine expeditionary units (MEU, pronounced "MEE-yoo") are the smallest air-ground task forces (MAGTF) in the United States Fleet Marine Force.[1] Each MEU is an expeditionary quick reaction force, deployed and ready for immediate response to any crisis, whether it be natural disaster or combat missions.[2] Marine amphibious unit (MAU) was the name used until the late 1980s.

 

An MEU is normally composed of: a reinforced USMC infantry battalion (designated as a Battalion Landing Team) as the ground combat element, a composite medium tiltrotor squadron forming the aviation combat element, a combat logistics battalion providing the logistics combat element, and a company-size command element serving as the MEU headquarters group. Troop strength is about 2,200 members and usually commanded by a colonel, and is deployed from amphibious assault ships. Currently, an MEU embarks men and equipment onto the amphibious warfare ships of an expeditionary strike group (ESG) which also includes escort warships and submarines to protect them from air, surface, and submarine threats. For further protection and strong air support, an ESG is often deployed along with one or more carrier strike groups.

[Lala81]

So this ADT unit is to ensure the $170 water tap at polis HQ has water when turned...?

 

It's for rapid deployment within singapore or overseas (in case of humanitarian disaster needing some security or boots on the ground to do some distributing).

 

Say for example, there's a security threat within singapore (maybe terror incident) requiring SAF response beyond normal police, then ADF will be first responders.

Even the corporal is regular lol.

[Lala81]

So this ADT unit is to ensure the $170 water tap at polis HQ has water when turned...?

 

It's for rapid deployment within singapore or overseas (in case of humanitarian disaster needing some security or boots on the ground to do some distributing).

 

Say for example, there's a security threat within singapore (maybe terror incident) requiring SAF response beyond normal police, then ADF will be first responders.

Even the corporal is regular lol.

[The_Bear]

 

Sounds like the equivalent of a Marine Expeditionary Unit:

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Marine expeditionary units (MEU, pronounced "MEE-yoo") are the smallest air-ground task forces (MAGTF) in the United States Fleet Marine Force.[1] Each MEU is an expeditionary quick reaction force, deployed and ready for immediate response to any crisis, whether it be natural disaster or combat missions.[2] Marine amphibious unit (MAU) was the name used until the late 1980s.

 

An MEU is normally composed of: a reinforced USMC infantry battalion (designated as a Battalion Landing Team) as the ground combat element, a composite medium tiltrotor squadron forming the aviation combat element, a combat logistics battalion providing the logistics combat element, and a company-size command element serving as the MEU headquarters group. Troop strength is about 2,200 members and usually commanded by a colonel, and is deployed from amphibious assault ships. Currently, an MEU embarks men and equipment onto the amphibious warfare ships of an expeditionary strike group (ESG) which also includes escort warships and submarines to protect them from air, surface, and submarine threats. For further protection and strong air support, an ESG is often deployed along with one or more carrier strike groups.

Not exactly. Both are labelled as quick reaction force, there is where all the similarities end.

 

The MEU is able to spearhead, land and fight alone as part of Uncle tom’s power projection in hostile environment.

 

ADF is keyed more towards being part of a bigger operation such as UN peace keeping ops. They allow SAF to deploy an active combat unit on the ground instead of a more reserved security/ support that we had been doing prior.

[Zxcvb]

 

[Macrosszero]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/russia-s-most-advanced-fighter-jet-suffers-first-crash-12209858#cxrecs_s

[Beregond]

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/new-russian-weapon-can-travel-27-times-the-speed-of-sound?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2qoQTQ5LknfA9PE_4mZrMWBwg2bwqPpbNbV047o4MYS6cFHAMTLm5T3Po#Echobox=1577488936

A new intercontinental weapon that can fly 27 times the speed of sound became operational on Friday (Dec 27)

The Avangard is launched atop an intercontinental ballistic missile, but unlike a regular missile warhead that follows a predictable path after separation it can make sharp manoeuvres in the atmosphere en route to target, making it much harder to intercept.

A new ball game. its easier and cheaper to build a spear that can break through any shield then build a shield that can block all spear.

similarly its easier to build a radar that can detect all plane, then build a plane that can evade all radar😅

[mersaylee]

2 hours ago, Beregond said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/new-russian-weapon-can-travel-27-times-the-speed-of-sound?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2qoQTQ5LknfA9PE_4mZrMWBwg2bwqPpbNbV047o4MYS6cFHAMTLm5T3Po#Echobox=1577488936

A new intercontinental weapon that can fly 27 times the speed of sound became operational on Friday (Dec 27)

The Avangard is launched atop an intercontinental ballistic missile, but unlike a regular missile warhead that follows a predictable path after separation it can make sharp manoeuvres in the atmosphere en route to target, making it much harder to intercept.

A new ball game. its easier and cheaper to build a spear that can break through any shield then build a shield that can block all spear.

similarly its easier to build a radar that can detect all plane, then build a plane that can evade all radar😅

Similarly it’s easier to wipe out the human race than to unite it. 

Thanos would luv this similarity...😅

[Timeliner]

There already is a coronavirus, better than any other weapon.

[Macrosszero]

Seen at the recent Singapore Airshow:

Source: https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26329/Digital_Drawing_of_Latest_Singaporean_Endurance_class_Ship_Unveiled_at_Airshow#.XlIxA2gzaUk

 

In comparison the other pseudo-aircraft carrier in the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Forces, the JZ Izumo and Kaga, are about 80m (close to 50%) larger. 

 

For context's sake, Japan has completed her planned two destroyer helicopter carriers while Singapore hasn't indicated how many they would procure. In any case would you have two medium-sized LHD-type capital ships or four to six light LHDs? 

[Adrianli]

33 minutes ago, Macrosszero said:

Seen at the recent Singapore Airshow:

Source: https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26329/Digital_Drawing_of_Latest_Singaporean_Endurance_class_Ship_Unveiled_at_Airshow#.XlIxA2gzaUk

 

In comparison the other pseudo-aircraft carrier in the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Forces, the JZ Izumo and Kaga, are about 80m (close to 50%) larger. 

 

For context's sake, Japan has completed her planned two destroyer helicopter carriers while Singapore hasn't indicated how many they would procure. In any case would you have two medium-sized LHD-type capital ships or four to six light LHDs? 

With our limited manpower and sea, such carrier is unnecessary. Flying distances from Tuas or Changi to South China Sea or up the Meleka Straits is still relatively short distances.

With shared air bases in Thailand and Brunei, I believe we are still good.

[Thaiyotakamli]

Ambition to be green water navy

[Macrosszero]

14 minutes ago, Adrianli said:

With our limited manpower and sea, such carrier is unnecessary. Flying distances from Tuas or Changi to South China Sea or up the Meleka Straits is still relatively short distances.

With shared air bases in Thailand and Brunei, I believe we are still good.

I think that with the loss of PLAB the RSAF still needs viable options to support fixed wing aircraft and they are betting heavily on the F-35B to deliver that, be it possibly operating from Sembawang Airbase or from decks of ships. A moving airstrip no matter how small could still offer options and alternatives. At 1200km between Singapore to Brunei and 1500km to Thailand, at dash speed it would take some time to arrive and it would not be an uncontested trip.

 

Given the requirement for logistics and resupply, an LHD can be organically equipped to support operations to some duration whereas our overseas bases may not have the same facilities for ordnance stockpiling. All in all, the objective isn't to go to war, but to show that we have enough options to act as a significant deterrent to any rash actions. 

[Macrosszero]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/grave-consequences-if-johor-cant-fulfil-water-supply-agreement-vivian-balakrishnan-101909342.html

Every now and then, water floats up as a topic. I doubt Viv would bring the matter up if there weren't any noises from across the border. 

Diplomacy and all that should always be the way, but when everything is said and done, there must be bite behind the bark.