Military talk thread

[Nolicense]

looks sweet!

 

[Nolicense]

2 hours ago, Beregond said:

a ageing sub from some 3rd world country yeah.

but a top end seawolf sub that cost 3b . buang into underwater feature?. . super hard. even if human error the computer will correct it. the ocean floor ,  obstacles lay out is properly map until rot  already . anw is just guessing game here. alot of outsiders try to analysis this also. but i doubt the truth will be make known. until maybe like 20 years later😂

 

i went to search more so there are a number of collisions for us sub into russian sub.

this tactic is that the us attack sub will tail the russian sub when they leave the port. so in the event the russian sub needs to launch its icbm, the us sub will sick it immediately.

so the us sub will tail the russian sub very closely. so the russian sub try to shake them off. so imagine you on pie and tailgate the car in front of you.. the bugger will speed and stop and play brake with you.. and sometimes you will kiss his backside.. but there is no insurance to claim lor..

[Thaiyotakamli]

4 hours ago, Beregond said:

remember the cases 10 year ++ ago. a british sub and a french sub buang each other?

there is a high chance this US  sub buang a chinese sub. but china never say anything. 

the chance of  a billion dollar sub buang into natural obstacles like reef and rocks is almost impossible. 

Maybe the bang with their own sub or underwater drone

 

remember this case 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Fitzgerald_and_MV_ACX_Crystal_collision

 

and this

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1GK0HU

Edited October 9, 2021 by Thaiyotakamli

[Playtime]

1 hour ago, Nolicense said:

i went to search more so there are a number of collisions for us sub into russian sub.

this tactic is that the us attack sub will tail the russian sub when they leave the port. so in the event the russian sub needs to launch its icbm, the us sub will sick it immediately.

so the us sub will tail the russian sub very closely. so the russian sub try to shake them off. so imagine you on pie and tailgate the car in front of you.. the bugger will speed and stop and play brake with you.. and sometimes you will kiss his backside.. but there is no insurance to claim lor..

Wa lau... buay steady... should surface exchange license mah 🤣🤣

[Macrosszero]

4 hours ago, Nolicense said:

looks sweet!

 

Copy homework ah? 🤣

 

 

[Macrosszero]

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-looking-into-reviving-pedra-branca-claim

Along with the water contract, once again beating the dead horse. 

If they can successfully do that, perhaps Singapore should re-look at whether we can regain control over Christmas Island. Nice place, if a little isolated, but plenty of land with which Singapore as a country can continue to expand strategically. 

[Playtime]

On 10/9/2021 at 10:18 PM, Macrosszero said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-looking-into-reviving-pedra-branca-claim

Along with the water contract, once again beating the dead horse. 

If they can successfully do that, perhaps Singapore should re-look at whether we can regain control over Christmas Island. Nice place, if a little isolated, but plenty of land with which Singapore as a country can continue to expand strategically. 

I wonder what legal arguments are they gonna put up without being thrown out. 😬

[mersaylee]

On 10/9/2021 at 10:18 PM, Macrosszero said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-looking-into-reviving-pedra-branca-claim

Along with the water contract, once again beating the dead horse. 

If they can successfully do that, perhaps Singapore should re-look at whether we can regain control over Christmas Island. Nice place, if a little isolated, but plenty of land with which Singapore as a country can continue to expand strategically. 

Let them be...habitual to look for trouble even in calm water 😁

[Playtime]

Can see photo of the damage. At around the base of conning tower.

This area of damage is not indicative of seabed collision.  Something suspended in the water column... perhaps tree trunk 🤔

 

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/uss-connecticut-submarine-suffers-underwater-collision-indo-pacific-region/

[DOBIEMKZ]

On 10/9/2021 at 2:47 PM, Beregond said:

remember the cases 10 year ++ ago. a british sub and a french sub buang each other?

there is a high chance this US  sub buang a chinese sub. but china never say anything. 

the chance of  a billion dollar sub buang into natural obstacles like reef and rocks is almost impossible. 

I think I know what really  happened under there....

[Macrosszero]

55 minutes ago, Playtime said:

Can see photo of the damage. At around the base of conning tower.

This area of damage is not indicative of seabed collision.  Something suspended in the water column... perhaps tree trunk 🤔

 

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/uss-connecticut-submarine-suffers-underwater-collision-indo-pacific-region/

 

 

That photo was taken in March 2012, so for whatever reason, the irregular texture there appears to be by design. On a related note, the sub had an outbreak of bedbugs earlier this year, and one of the un-named petty officers stated that it affected the quality of the crew's rest and could lead to poor performance:

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/03/10/sailors-say-this-submarine-is-being-ravaged-by-bed-bugs/

From the article, “If someone’s sleep deprived because they’re in the rack getting eaten alive by bedbugs, he could fall asleep at (the controls) and run us into an underwater mountain,” the petty officer said.

[Playtime]

8 minutes ago, Macrosszero said:

 

That photo was taken in March 2012, so for whatever reason, the irregular texture there appears to be by design. On a related note, the sub had an outbreak of bedbugs earlier this year, and one of the un-named petty officers stated that it affected the quality of the crew's rest and could lead to poor performance:

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/03/10/sailors-say-this-submarine-is-being-ravaged-by-bed-bugs/

From the article, “If someone’s sleep deprived because they’re in the rack getting eaten alive by bedbugs, he could fall asleep at (the controls) and run us into an underwater mountain,” the petty officer said.

Hmm... I actually saw another closer side shot that showed clear damage.. will see if I can still find it.

[Beregond]

2 hours ago, Playtime said:

Can see photo of the damage. At around the base of conning tower.

This area of damage is not indicative of seabed collision.  Something suspended in the water column... perhaps tree trunk 🤔

 

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/uss-connecticut-submarine-suffers-underwater-collision-indo-pacific-region/

think its something bigger and heavier then a tree trunk.

after the collision, the sub cannot submerge and 15 sailors got inj. a tree trunk wont do that amount of damage ? a tree trunk wont float in the middle of the sea. as it either it float or it sink 

( i guess nia. not expert also 😅) . 

[Playtime]

5 minutes ago, Beregond said:

think its something bigger and heavier then a tree trunk.

after the collision, the sub cannot submerge and 15 sailors got inj. a tree trunk wont do that amount of damage ? a tree trunk wont float in the middle of the sea. as it either it float or it sink 

( i guess nia. not expert also 😅) . 

Not true... after soaking long enough.. not just tree trunk, even containers can temporarily achieve neutral buoyancy. Before they eventually sink fully go to bottom. 

Ships have been known to hit containers that are suspended just below surface. 

Containers , timber etc blown washed overboard not uncommon. 

Hitting a multi tonne object at say 30kph under water no joke. 

[DOBIEMKZ]

It's No Coincidence that the U.S. and China Are Building Replicas of Each Other’s Tanks

You know you've made it when adversaries make training models of your main battle tank.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a37760660/us-china-tank-replicas/?utm_campaign=socialflowFBPOP&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social-media

In August, a model of a Chinese Type 99-A main battle tank was spotted in the U.S.

About a month later, a remote-controlled target tank resembling the American M1A2 Abrams tank surfaced at an arms show in China.

The two "tanks" are likely training vehicles meant to familiarize the American and Chinese armies with each other's tanks.

Two tank sightings about one month (and thousands of miles) apart are pretty unsettling indicators of U.S.-Chinese relations at the moment. But these aren't exactly your run-of-the-mill main battle tanks: they're dummies.

Back in August, an image began circulating on social media, purporting to show a full-sized replica of a Chinese Type 99-A main battle tank on the back of a tractor trailer. The image (which has circulated on social media to the point that it's unclear who originally took the photo) was reportedly taken on a highway in Arkansas, thousands of miles from where you might actually find the real tank.

At China's Zhuhai Air Show earlier this month, there was a sighting of a target vehicle in China that resembles the American M1A2 Abrams—and that's probably not a coincidence. More likely, the two sightings illustrate how armies prepare to fight their most powerful potential adversaries.

The Chinese Type 99 main battle tank dummy bears a strong resemblance to the real Type 99, from its rear-mounted fuel storage tanks, to its boxy turret shape, and its diamond-shaped side skirts (which are unique to recent Chinese tanks). The tank's wind sensor and gunner's thermal viewer are also present, though whoever built the replica punted on the tank's digital camouflage scheme, using an outdated Chinese camouflage scheme instead.

The real Type 99 is the mainstay of China's tank force. It entered service with the People's Liberation Army Ground Forces (PLAGF) in 2001. The 55-ton tank is the largest and most advanced tank that the PLAGF has fielded to-date. It's armed with a 125-millimeter smoothbore main gun, a 12.7-millimeter (.50 caliber) heavy machine gun, and a 7.62-millimeter machine gun coaxial to the main gun. The Type 99 uses a 1,500 horsepower turbo diesel engine, making it slightly faster than the American M1, and uses reactive armor tiles to defeat incoming shaped-charge warheads.

Although the mockup Type 99 was spotted in Arkansas, there are no U.S. military facilities in the state that would benefit from a model of a Chinese tank. The U.S. Army's Joint Readiness Training Center in neighboring Louisiana, however, would probably welcome such a model.

Of course, this is America and people are sometimes into weird things. This could be a full-sized model of a Type 99 built for a private collector. But one particular detail lends credence to the idea that it was built for the Army: the "tank" appears to be only a fiberglass and plywood shell meant to be fitted onto a smaller vehicle.

This is a common approach that the U.S. Army has taken for so-called visual modification (VISMOD) of opposing force (OPFOR) vehicles for training purposes. A Humvee, for instance, might wear a shell to make it look like a Type 99. While the Army has plenty of tanks it could modify to look like enemy tanks, real tanks are comparatively expensive and more difficult to operate than a smaller, cheaper Humvee.

Meanwhile, in China, the model of a U.S.-made M1 Abrams tank is a remote-controlled target drone. It sports the same angular turret of the M1, complete with a wraparound bustle rack for crew gear, and the same side profile, including side skirts that hike up above the drive sprocket. Like the Chinese tank in America, it doesn't utilize working tracks, as a pair of all-terrain tires peek out from behind the rear road wheels.

The Chinese M1 Abrams isn't exactly correct: it features the wrong main gun—an older, smaller-caliber M68 gun that the Abrams used in the 1980s. It also uses a digital camouflage pattern not used in the West or among U.S. allies in Asia. Those issues aside, however, it's readily identifiable as an Abrams tank.

A Chinese defense contractor that may or may not have had an open contract with the PLAGF likely produced the Zhuhai tank. One big reason the PLAGF might be interested: Taiwan placed a large order for M1A2T (T for Taiwan) Abrams tanks in 2019. The island republic is awaiting delivery of 108 Abrams tanks to replace its aging CM-11 Brave Tiger tanks, and the first tanks are set to arrive next year. If China invades Taiwan as many expect, the PLAGF will see Abrams tanks up close.

[Beregond]

2 minutes ago, DOBIEMKZ said:

It's No Coincidence that the U.S. and China Are Building Replicas of Each Other’s Tanks

You know you've made it when adversaries make training models of your main battle tank.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a37760660/us-china-tank-replicas/?utm_campaign=socialflowFBPOP&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social-media

In August, a model of a Chinese Type 99-A main battle tank was spotted in the U.S.

About a month later, a remote-controlled target tank resembling the American M1A2 Abrams tank surfaced at an arms show in China.

The two "tanks" are likely training vehicles meant to familiarize the American and Chinese armies with each other's tanks.

Two tank sightings about one month (and thousands of miles) apart are pretty unsettling indicators of U.S.-Chinese relations at the moment. But these aren't exactly your run-of-the-mill main battle tanks: they're dummies.

Back in August, an image began circulating on social media, purporting to show a full-sized replica of a Chinese Type 99-A main battle tank on the back of a tractor trailer. The image (which has circulated on social media to the point that it's unclear who originally took the photo) was reportedly taken on a highway in Arkansas, thousands of miles from where you might actually find the real tank.

At China's Zhuhai Air Show earlier this month, there was a sighting of a target vehicle in China that resembles the American M1A2 Abrams—and that's probably not a coincidence. More likely, the two sightings illustrate how armies prepare to fight their most powerful potential adversaries.

The Chinese Type 99 main battle tank dummy bears a strong resemblance to the real Type 99, from its rear-mounted fuel storage tanks, to its boxy turret shape, and its diamond-shaped side skirts (which are unique to recent Chinese tanks). The tank's wind sensor and gunner's thermal viewer are also present, though whoever built the replica punted on the tank's digital camouflage scheme, using an outdated Chinese camouflage scheme instead.

The real Type 99 is the mainstay of China's tank force. It entered service with the People's Liberation Army Ground Forces (PLAGF) in 2001. The 55-ton tank is the largest and most advanced tank that the PLAGF has fielded to-date. It's armed with a 125-millimeter smoothbore main gun, a 12.7-millimeter (.50 caliber) heavy machine gun, and a 7.62-millimeter machine gun coaxial to the main gun. The Type 99 uses a 1,500 horsepower turbo diesel engine, making it slightly faster than the American M1, and uses reactive armor tiles to defeat incoming shaped-charge warheads.

Although the mockup Type 99 was spotted in Arkansas, there are no U.S. military facilities in the state that would benefit from a model of a Chinese tank. The U.S. Army's Joint Readiness Training Center in neighboring Louisiana, however, would probably welcome such a model.

Of course, this is America and people are sometimes into weird things. This could be a full-sized model of a Type 99 built for a private collector. But one particular detail lends credence to the idea that it was built for the Army: the "tank" appears to be only a fiberglass and plywood shell meant to be fitted onto a smaller vehicle.

This is a common approach that the U.S. Army has taken for so-called visual modification (VISMOD) of opposing force (OPFOR) vehicles for training purposes. A Humvee, for instance, might wear a shell to make it look like a Type 99. While the Army has plenty of tanks it could modify to look like enemy tanks, real tanks are comparatively expensive and more difficult to operate than a smaller, cheaper Humvee.

Meanwhile, in China, the model of a U.S.-made M1 Abrams tank is a remote-controlled target drone. It sports the same angular turret of the M1, complete with a wraparound bustle rack for crew gear, and the same side profile, including side skirts that hike up above the drive sprocket. Like the Chinese tank in America, it doesn't utilize working tracks, as a pair of all-terrain tires peek out from behind the rear road wheels.

The Chinese M1 Abrams isn't exactly correct: it features the wrong main gun—an older, smaller-caliber M68 gun that the Abrams used in the 1980s. It also uses a digital camouflage pattern not used in the West or among U.S. allies in Asia. Those issues aside, however, it's readily identifiable as an Abrams tank.

A Chinese defense contractor that may or may not have had an open contract with the PLAGF likely produced the Zhuhai tank. One big reason the PLAGF might be interested: Taiwan placed a large order for M1A2T (T for Taiwan) Abrams tanks in 2019. The island republic is awaiting delivery of 108 Abrams tanks to replace its aging CM-11 Brave Tiger tanks, and the first tanks are set to arrive next year. If China invades Taiwan as many expect, the PLAGF will see Abrams tanks up close.

its already game over for taiwan if  they need to engage in tank fight with china😂

[Playtime]

10 minutes ago, DOBIEMKZ said:

It's No Coincidence that the U.S. and China Are Building Replicas of Each Other’s Tanks

You know you've made it when adversaries make training models of your main battle tank.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a37760660/us-china-tank-replicas/?utm_campaign=socialflowFBPOP&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social-media

In August, a model of a Chinese Type 99-A main battle tank was spotted in the U.S.

About a month later, a remote-controlled target tank resembling the American M1A2 Abrams tank surfaced at an arms show in China.

The two "tanks" are likely training vehicles meant to familiarize the American and Chinese armies with each other's tanks.

Two tank sightings about one month (and thousands of miles) apart are pretty unsettling indicators of U.S.-Chinese relations at the moment. But these aren't exactly your run-of-the-mill main battle tanks: they're dummies.

Back in August, an image began circulating on social media, purporting to show a full-sized replica of a Chinese Type 99-A main battle tank on the back of a tractor trailer. The image (which has circulated on social media to the point that it's unclear who originally took the photo) was reportedly taken on a highway in Arkansas, thousands of miles from where you might actually find the real tank.

At China's Zhuhai Air Show earlier this month, there was a sighting of a target vehicle in China that resembles the American M1A2 Abrams—and that's probably not a coincidence. More likely, the two sightings illustrate how armies prepare to fight their most powerful potential adversaries.

The Chinese Type 99 main battle tank dummy bears a strong resemblance to the real Type 99, from its rear-mounted fuel storage tanks, to its boxy turret shape, and its diamond-shaped side skirts (which are unique to recent Chinese tanks). The tank's wind sensor and gunner's thermal viewer are also present, though whoever built the replica punted on the tank's digital camouflage scheme, using an outdated Chinese camouflage scheme instead.

The real Type 99 is the mainstay of China's tank force. It entered service with the People's Liberation Army Ground Forces (PLAGF) in 2001. The 55-ton tank is the largest and most advanced tank that the PLAGF has fielded to-date. It's armed with a 125-millimeter smoothbore main gun, a 12.7-millimeter (.50 caliber) heavy machine gun, and a 7.62-millimeter machine gun coaxial to the main gun. The Type 99 uses a 1,500 horsepower turbo diesel engine, making it slightly faster than the American M1, and uses reactive armor tiles to defeat incoming shaped-charge warheads.

Although the mockup Type 99 was spotted in Arkansas, there are no U.S. military facilities in the state that would benefit from a model of a Chinese tank. The U.S. Army's Joint Readiness Training Center in neighboring Louisiana, however, would probably welcome such a model.

Of course, this is America and people are sometimes into weird things. This could be a full-sized model of a Type 99 built for a private collector. But one particular detail lends credence to the idea that it was built for the Army: the "tank" appears to be only a fiberglass and plywood shell meant to be fitted onto a smaller vehicle.

This is a common approach that the U.S. Army has taken for so-called visual modification (VISMOD) of opposing force (OPFOR) vehicles for training purposes. A Humvee, for instance, might wear a shell to make it look like a Type 99. While the Army has plenty of tanks it could modify to look like enemy tanks, real tanks are comparatively expensive and more difficult to operate than a smaller, cheaper Humvee.

Meanwhile, in China, the model of a U.S.-made M1 Abrams tank is a remote-controlled target drone. It sports the same angular turret of the M1, complete with a wraparound bustle rack for crew gear, and the same side profile, including side skirts that hike up above the drive sprocket. Like the Chinese tank in America, it doesn't utilize working tracks, as a pair of all-terrain tires peek out from behind the rear road wheels.

The Chinese M1 Abrams isn't exactly correct: it features the wrong main gun—an older, smaller-caliber M68 gun that the Abrams used in the 1980s. It also uses a digital camouflage pattern not used in the West or among U.S. allies in Asia. Those issues aside, however, it's readily identifiable as an Abrams tank.

A Chinese defense contractor that may or may not have had an open contract with the PLAGF likely produced the Zhuhai tank. One big reason the PLAGF might be interested: Taiwan placed a large order for M1A2T (T for Taiwan) Abrams tanks in 2019. The island republic is awaiting delivery of 108 Abrams tanks to replace its aging CM-11 Brave Tiger tanks, and the first tanks are set to arrive next year. If China invades Taiwan as many expect, the PLAGF will see Abrams tanks up close.

For AI systems to learn to auto detect ?🤔

[Macrosszero]

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/uks-largest-warship-docks-at-changi-as-two-more-warships-sail-into-region