Indonesia's Jusuf Kalla wants to reclaim a airspace

[Mason016]

Excerpt: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-03/airspace-spat-shows-indonesia-s-newfound-foreign-policy-muscle

 

Indonesia is pushing to reclaim airspace within five years in a sensitive military area that’s currently controlled by Singapore, as President Joko Widodo takes a more assertive approach to foreign policy.

 

The airspace over the Riau and Natuna islands near Singapore has been administered by the city-state since 1946 as a postwar holdover and is a corridor for flights in and out of Changi Airport, one of Asia’s busiest for international flights. Singapore says the arrangement provides effective air traffic control services, and is not about sovereignty.

 

“Of course it’s related to sovereignty,” Indonesia Vice President Jusuf Kalla said in an interview on Tuesday in Jakarta. “They have no right to decline, it is Indonesia’s right.”

 

 

Looks like Indo want to be like China liao.  And seriously, Kalla needs to get shot in the head, a terribly odious person.

 

[Lala81]

Excerpt: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-03/airspace-spat-shows-indonesia-s-newfound-foreign-policy-muscle

 

Indonesia is pushing to reclaim airspace within five years in a sensitive military area that’s currently controlled by Singapore, as President Joko Widodo takes a more assertive approach to foreign policy.

 

The airspace over the Riau and Natuna islands near Singapore has been administered by the city-state since 1946 as a postwar holdover and is a corridor for flights in and out of Changi Airport, one of Asia’s busiest for international flights. Singapore says the arrangement provides effective air traffic control services, and is not about sovereignty.

 

“Of course it’s related to sovereignty,” Indonesia Vice President Jusuf Kalla said in an interview on Tuesday in Jakarta. “They have no right to decline, it is Indonesia’s right.”

 

 

Looks like Indo want to be like China liao.  And seriously, Kalla needs to get shot in the head, a terribly odious person.

 

 

Very easy lah. Just start blocking access to the $ Jakarta politicans have stashed here. 

[Wishcumstrue]

Excerpt: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-03/airspace-spat-shows-indonesia-s-newfound-foreign-policy-muscle

 

Indonesia is pushing to reclaim airspace within five years in a sensitive military area that’s currently controlled by Singapore, as President Joko Widodo takes a more assertive approach to foreign policy.

 

The airspace over the Riau and Natuna islands near Singapore has been administered by the city-state since 1946 as a postwar holdover and is a corridor for flights in and out of Changi Airport, one of Asia’s busiest for international flights. Singapore says the arrangement provides effective air traffic control services, and is not about sovereignty.

 

“Of course it’s related to sovereignty,” Indonesia Vice President Jusuf Kalla said in an interview on Tuesday in Jakarta. “They have no right to decline, it is Indonesia’s right.”

 

 

Looks like Indo want to be like China liao.  And seriously, Kalla needs to get shot in the head, a terribly odious person.

 

 

Different from South China Sea dispute lah.

This one Indo is trying to take the FIR from Changi based on its internal law, nothing to do with territory, stated in the report.

 

Problem with Indo argument is FIR control is an international agreement which is beyond Indo's domestic jurisdiction, not counting to the fact Indonesia lack competency, infra and key knowhow in managing this huge FIR area.

 

Yet, occasionally we do see Indo exercising unilateral action against foreign planes which it claims to have "intruded" its airspace over Batam or Bintan as in this known case: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/indonesian-fighter-jets-intercept-singapore-plane

 

For Singapore, the control of FIR does give us strategic edge and control when in the military side since we will have detals of TNI's Su-27 fighters operation in Bintan.

 

 

[PSP415]

Power in the hands of greedy and brainless politicians can only spell trouble firstly for its own people and then it's neighbours.

 

Today it's about airspace, tomo it's about sea space, another day, it's about land space and finally outer space. Regardless of the greed for all these spaces, the only one that's really important is the space between the ears.

 

Haiz...they can't even control the haze problems still want to control airspace. Can't imagine how many air accidents waiting to happen if they ever take control.

 

Safe ride. Festive seasons many many ahead, actually 2,Christmas and New Year's Day, so dun drink drive unless it's water and even that, avoid whilst driving. Focus and exercise defensive driving. Cars dun combust if stop at Red or amber light and face won't fall off if give way to others. Important to reach home safely.

 

No space for selfish driving.

[Ktglfc]

Agreed !

Can't even control simple forest fires that resulted in massive haze around the region, and yet still want to control flights  ....

Plain bully !

[Shull]

Different from South China Sea dispute lah.

This one Indo is trying to take the FIR from Changi based on its internal law, nothing to do with territory, stated in the report.

 

Problem with Indo argument is FIR control is an international agreement which is beyond Indo's domestic jurisdiction, not counting to the fact Indonesia lack competency, infra and key knowhow in managing this huge FIR area.

 

Yet, occasionally we do see Indo exercising unilateral action against foreign planes which it claims to have "intruded" its airspace over Batam or Bintan as in this known case: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/indonesian-fighter-jets-intercept-singapore-plane

 

For Singapore, the control of FIR does give us strategic edge and control when in the military side since we will have detals of TNI's Su-27 fighters operation in Bintan.

 

 

 

Makes me wonder, for flights landing at Batam, which ATC they communicate with?

[Myxilplix]

That's what VPs are for.

 

1. Be the barking dog to say things that will be too sensitive for the president to say, in the name of diplomacy.

 

2. Wait for president to die or step down before the end of their term.

[Wishcumstrue]

Makes me wonder, for flights landing at Batam, which ATC they communicate with?

 

AFAIK, any dep/arr flights from/to Batam need to have clearance from Singapore since this is the FIR arrangment, which itself is divided into individual sectors, one which falls under Batam ATC.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Wishcumstrue

[Victor68]

These are mad dogs that like to bark once a while. Throw him a piece of bone to bite to keep him quiet.

[Kusje]

Um.... 

 

This is indonesia's airspace. Other than the fact that we don't think they are competent enough to manage it, is there any legit opposition?

 

Btw, If they can handle the airspace above jakarta then I think they can handle this too (assuming they are willing to put on the resources)

[Wishcumstrue]

Um.... 

 

This is indonesia's airspace. Other than the fact that we don't think they are competent enough to manage it, is there any legit opposition?

 

Btw, If they can handle the airspace above jakarta then I think they can handle this too (assuming they are willing to put on the resources)

 

it's not that "we" think Indo are incompetent lots, but rather it is up to ICAO to decide which country is resposible for a given FIR in the area. So it is up to Indonesian to argue and proof their real trustworthiness to the international community rather than insising their own way.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_information_region

 

Also it is kinda misleading to use the word "reclaim" when this isn't about airspace sovereignty dispute, but rather the control of its air traffic.

[Watwheels]

Whoa, didn't know we control such a big airspace for so long.

 

Haha...Indo can try lah. Their aviation standard is kns. Can't even control their own forest from being burnt. They can forget about this airspace. Boh standard.

[Holdenutessv]

Coming from the same dude, no surprise...

[Wishcumstrue]

Coming from the same dude, no surprise...

 

 

This Kalla guy is nobody in TNI eyes - he is a 2nd fiddler to his boss, Joko, who himself knows he cannot exercise influence without help from the military.

 

And how to increase his control in a country that used to be run by people from the military ? By playing to the tune of nationalistic tone. That is the mentality of Indonesian republic since colonial time under the Dutch.

 

While I will not label Joko as an ultra-nationalist, his policy of sinking captured foreign fishing boats  using his maritime forces is one example of what trick his administration may do when comes to controlling the airspace around Singapore.

 

Put it simply in LKY words-  "You got friendly neighbours? Grow Up!"

 

Never ever forget this warning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihiE4oGyYlQ

 

 

[Airwaver]

This guy need a ka-na-chee on the head.

[Alpha78]

This guy need a ka-na-chee on the head.

 

Or maybe someone should freeze his bank accounts here (if there are any)... 

[Hotamp]

this would be tricky for Singapore, lets see how the new leadership will tackle this issue. Sg has always advocate the legal approach in solving territorial dispute, Sg has no direct legal claim over the air space since it is above indo territory, it was a " control"  given after the war, so Sg is going to say possession is 9/10 of the law, since we already have control for over 70 yrs? will the international court agrees ? hummm....

 

at the same time  cannot so easily give them back since we invested so much time and resources into it also it is strategically important to us.

 

since it is catering to international flights, there cannot be conflicting ATC orders from indo and sg.

 

I think this will be like the negotiation for the KTM tanjong pagar station....drag until SG100 then can settle ,,,haha

[Gitanic]

i want to reclaim his kkj which i think is mine