PSLE T score replaced by banding

[Yewheng]

The Good - every child gets a chance to get into a good school on his/her merit. No more measuring a child's scores in relation to his/her peers.

 

The bad - if the papers are tough, adios to the weaker students' chance to get a passing grade.

They actually lowered the passing grade to be at 45 points. Look at the chart. 6 points for 45 to 64. If all 4 subjects gets maybe 45 to 49 range, he/she still gets 4*6 = 24 and still have chance to get to normal academic stream. Whereas in today's psle grading if all 4 subjects all score within 45 to 49 range, it would falls under normal technical range. As aggregate score will be less then 188.

[Blackyv]

seriously what's the facking difference.

Classic example of "change soup but didn't change the medicine"...

[Yewheng]

Forget to add, those that score maybe slightly above average or average will still be not worst off or be roughly the same. As these range students parents maybe not that strict to their child that want to be top of the school or score 100%. Maybe their line is you do your best can already. There maybe parents who want their kids to score 100% but their child keep getting above average or average marks only. So to those students where got so stress as compared to top of the cream.

 

They will not be like those at the top of the top that is being pressured till at the point of wanting to commit suicide if cannot get top. So these students not much affected.

 

Another thing that it will help reduce ( not eliminate) is the unhealthy competition of comparing points even if parents don't compare. As comparing too much into so deep details into points may led to selfish behavior that it's only me, myself and I mindset. So now 4 points and nothing to compare lao. Solve one big comparison to so in depth to which students score better by 1 or 2 marks, which students score less by 1 or 2 marks type.

Edited July 13, 2016 by Yewheng

[Joseph22]

will be flat 4 for top school

Last time T score was:

 

1) English x 2 = 200

2) 2nd lang x 2 = 200

3) Maths = 100

4) Sciences = 100

 

Total 600 / 2 = PSLE score 300

 

Now all equal weighting. Last time you can still use scores from stronger subject to cover a weaker subject. Now cannot liao.

 

I think cut-off scores for going to top school will be between 4 to 6, or maybe even 4 to 5. Is this considered less stressful? I doubt it.

 

Regardless of the change. Parents and students will still be obsessive not in grades but in Achievement Level. So LPPL. So is there gonna be a change in mindset after all? But why after 2021? So that someone tour of duty has been completed? It's anybody guess.

 

its 2021 because this is the PSLE for this year P1 which they state last year will start with this year P1.

seriously what's the facking difference.

 

you ask yourself, PSLE more stress or O-level more stress. you will know the different

Much as we wish and hope that some priority be given to locals if all else being equal, we should not be obsessed with foreigners vs locals.

 

Locals should try to elevate themselves.

In due time, everyone will learn how to game the system

 

By shrinking 300 points to a much narrower range, it also means there is much less differentiation at every level, the smart smart vs smart, the average vs the above average etc

 

It is likely that if everyone has the same point, they would still have to look at the raw scores, if not can be very challenging. Imagine top sch cut off 4 points 300 spaces, and 500 students with 4 points applied for it. 

 

If one wants to design a system to minimise unhealthy competition for points, may be better to scrap the release of all grades. students just apply to schools of their choices before PSLE exam and schs select based on their overall scores without students knowing the scores. This was what happened years ago before grading and points were introduced.

 

The Good Old Days, where Primary school students primary responsibility is to lead a carefree life  and play at long kang and catch butterflies   

dont teach wrong thing can?? later flood carry you away....

MIddleground's take on the PSLE.

 

http://themiddleground.sg/2016/07/13/psle-changes-broader-bands-psychological-games/

 

It's very unlikely someone will be more kiasu or competitive than us singaporeans.

Maybe some PRC and koreans but their levels are even unhealthier for the child.

singapore is not the number 1 in this sadly.

 

UK parents had known to shift house before pre-school so that they can get into good pre-school.

 

The situation at china isnt better. That is why they film the drama Tiger mother by Vicky zhao to tell them education is not the be all end all.

They actually lowered the passing grade to be at 45 points. Look at the chart. 6 points for 45 to 64. If all 4 subjects gets maybe 45 to 49 range, he/she still gets 4*6 = 24 and still have chance to get to normal academic stream. Whereas in today's psle grading if all 4 subjects all score within 45 to 49 range, it would falls under normal technical range. As aggregate score will be less then 188.

what it mean to most parent is that 65 points and below is no good.

Forget to add, those that score maybe slightly above average or average will still be not worst off or be roughly the same. As these range students parents maybe not that strict to their child that want to be top of the school or score 100%. Maybe their line is you do your best can already. There maybe parents who want their kids to score 100% but their child keep getting above average or average marks only. So to those students where got so stress as compared to top of the cream.

They will not be like those at the top of the top that is being pressured till at the point of wanting to commit suicide if cannot get top. So these students not much affected.

Another thing that it will help reduce ( not eliminate) is the unhealthy competition of comparing points even if parents don't compare. As comparing too much into so deep details into points may led to selfish behavior that it's only me, myself and I mindset. So now 4 points and nothing to compare lao. Solve one big comparison to so in depth to which students score better by 1 or 2 marks, which students score less by 1 or 2 marks type.

 

 

still compare. 4 points vs 20 points.

[Toothiewabbit]

They actually lowered the passing grade to be at 45 points. Look at the chart. 6 points for 45 to 64. If all 4 subjects gets maybe 45 to 49 range, he/she still gets 4*6 = 24 and still have chance to get to normal academic stream. Whereas in today's psle grading if all 4 subjects all score within 45 to 49 range, it would falls under normal technical range. As aggregate score will be less then 188.

Actualli, its about points, there's no such thing as passing grades. Ideally, in the new scoring system, the papers should be set fairly, which is a difficult thing to do la.

[Limws1]

seriously what's the facking difference.

 

 

Agreed. No difference at all. PSLE is still there and is still stressful. Sec schools allocation is still based on how well the child performs academically. So, no difference. Waste of tax payers' monies to pay the govt scholars to come up with another stupid idea.

[Nav14]

Still competitive and streeful to both students and parents. What are they saying?

What they are saying is that nothing much can really be done. If you want the country to maintain its success , there has to be intense pressure and competition.

This whole exercise is just a drama . A paper exercise to hoodwink people they are doing something to address their concerns.

[Joseph22]

What they are saying is that nothing much can really be done. If you want the country to maintain its success , there has to be intense pressure and competition.

This whole exercise is just a drama . A paper exercise to hoodwink people they are doing something to address their concerns.

this was actually suggested by some parents.

 

end up more stress... sometime really dont know what those netizen are thinking. just because angmo mean is good thing must impliment here.

[Silver_blade]

....UK parents had known to shift house before pre-school so that they can get into good pre-school....

 

You are so right. Parents in the UK also move house to within the catchment area of a good school, starts to attend the affiliated church, etc....just so they have a better chance to get into a good school   

[Yewheng]

what it mean to most parent is that 65 points and below is no good.

 

 

 

Ya, there will not be 100% solution, but what I could see is that they did eliminate or reduce most of the bad effects of go to exact points itself.

 

Anyway.. I hope from next year onwards all primary schools to follow the grading system for students that will take psle in year 2021. So which means to say that in the report book, the paper will not indicate how much marks students score but instead indicate what is the points the student score. So effectively top of the class and school could have a double digit figure if a lot score 4 points. Schools happy, teachers also happy. Another thing is that teachers are not suppose to reveal the exact marks to students and just give them grading. As parents still anxious on the exact marks will not be given a chance to know but with grading. I don't know how the schools will work it out on not to reveal the exact marks to students, but if it could be done, it would be a bye bye to " you must score 100marks "

[Joseph22]

You are so right. Parents in the UK also move house to within the catchment area of a good school, starts to attend the affiliated church, etc....just so they have a better chance to get into a good school   

 

 

some more is pre-school only.. heard liao head spin

Ya, there will not be 100% solution, but what I could see is that they did eliminate or reduce most of the bad effects of go to exact points itself.

 

Anyway.. I hope from next year onwards all primary schools to follow the grading system for students that will take psle in year 2021. So which means to say that in the report book, the paper will not indicate how much marks students score but instead indicate what is the points the student score. So effectively top of the class and school could have a double digit figure if a lot score 4 points. Schools happy, teachers also happy. Another thing is that teachers are not suppose to reveal the exact marks to students and just give them grading. As parents still anxious on the exact marks will not be given a chance to know but with grading. I don't know how the schools will work it out on not to reveal the exact marks to students, but if it could be done, it would be a bye bye to " you must score 100marks "

not true... they will most likely still do a bell curve and then set the grade like how they do for O-level.

 

End up, most grade 1 must score more then 90 points just like our O-level.

Edited July 13, 2016 by Joseph22

[Limws1]

Just lesser resolution compare to T score. From T score we know one kid with 4As is better than another also with 4As. In the future, both kids will be under 4 point band. Both will think they did equally well, of course only MOE knows who score better.

That also means cutoff point resolution will also be less distinct among the schools. The more elite and lesser elite will be band together.e.g. last time RI cut off point was 265 and maybe Catholic Hight was 253. Under T score, RI will be deem a more elite school. In the future both school will band under as 4 points. There will be no visibilty which school accepted the better scoring students, only moe knows.

 

Elite sec school cut off points may become 3 or less and not 4 to distinguish themselves from other schools. Students taking higher MT get to have points deducted. So elite school especially the SAP schools like NYGH or HCI, may required students to pass or get distinction for higher MT before they can apply for their schools.Just like elite JCs now, L1R5 cut off is 3 or lower. Ever if a student score A1 for for all his L1R5 subjects, he/she cannot get into HJC or RJC as their cut off point is 3. They need bonus CCA points deduction to get in.

[Silver_blade]

That's why, I sometimes tell my friends that our 'suffering' is not as unique to us as we will like to think. Actually, a lot of the stress in school come from parent's exceptionally high expectation and they did not adjust it in accordance to their kid's capability/strength. 

[Yewheng]

some more is pre-school only.. heard liao head spin

 

not true... they will most likely still do a bell curve and then set the grade like how they do for O-level.

 

End up, most grade 1 must score more then 90 points just like our O-level.

The table already shows the marks range that student need to score inorder to falls in the particular point. You mean that set of figure is not fix? If it is not fixed why bother to show it to public on the set range of marks to score?

 

What I believe is the set range will not change. What will change is how the secondary school will adjust the point intake based on supply and demand. If a lot 4 points choose the particular school, then sorry max cut off is 4 points. If the other schools maybe have average 10 to 12 points, then the cut off point maybe adjusted to 11. Somewhere along this line and not what you said that moe will adjust the ball curve for the point range as it is already preset.

Edited July 13, 2016 by Yewheng

[Joseph22]

The table already shows the marks range that student need to score inorder to falls in the particular point. You mean that set of figure is not fix? If it is not fixed why bother to show it to public on the set range of marks to score?

That's what our o-level table tell us. But we know that table is for parents. How else do u explain that genius guy who always score A1 got a A2 instead during o-level when its stated 75?? And he usually score 90s in school exam. Slip by 20 points?? Unlikely. Moderation is likely the case.

[car50]

Changing Parents Mindset

Easy to say, Not Easy To Do

 

 

 

That's why, I sometimes tell my friends that our 'suffering' is not as unique to us as we will like to think. Actually, a lot of the stress in school come from parent's exceptionally high expectation and they did not adjust it in accordance to their kid's capability/strength. 

 

[Mkl22]

Just lesser resolution compare to T score. From T score we know one kid with 4As is better than another also with 4As. In the future, both kids will be under 4 point band. Both will think they did equally well, of course only MOE knows who score better.

That also means cutoff point resolution will also be less distinct among the schools. The more elite and lesser elite will be band together.e.g. last time RI cut off point was 265 and maybe Catholic Hight was 253. Under T score, RI will be deem a more elite school. In the future both school will band under as 4 points. There will be no visibilty which school accepted the better scoring students, only moe knows.

Whatever. The top schools will remain top, Even if the score don't distinguish.

 

RI still produced the most successful con men so far, TT Durai, Ming yi and kong Hee. Wonder who is next.

 

Anyway, whatever system is used, clever means clever and stupid means stupid. The system is created by man can never be perfect. And the clever ones will still come out tops no matter what people throw at them.

Edited July 13, 2016 by Mkl22

[Yewheng]

Whatever. The top schools will remain top, Even if the score don't distinguish.

 

RI still produced the most successful con men so far, TT Durai, Ming yi and kong Hee. Wonder who is next.

 

Anyway, whatever system is used, clever means clever and stupid means stupid. The system is created by man can never be perfect. And the clever ones will still come out tops no matter what people throw at them.

Ya that's why the new set to score 1 point need 90marks and above instead if lowers marks. Maybe the clever student make a few careless mistake, he/she still score 1 point. So unaffected. This is to distinguish between the super intelligent student and the above average and average student. Edited July 13, 2016 by Yewheng