Kezg1 5th Gear July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 I am still wondering when i read the news about these discovery and $10 millions was used in the research to invent something-successful was a fraud. Those that involved was only asked to leave their jobs. All the while, I thought our gahment was very serious with people cheating them and will be charge in court and put to jail. Am I missing something here? Any forummers can enlighten me ? ↡ Advertisement 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 (edited) bad publicity and damaging the university or research center ... chop chop curry pok case close Edited July 19, 2016 by Wt_know 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 I am still wondering when i read the news about these discovery and $10 millions was used in the research to invent something-successful was a fraud. Those that involved was only asked to leave their jobs. All the while, I thought our gahment was very serious with people cheating them and will be charge in court and put to jail. Am I missing something here? Any forummers can enlighten me ? in future please quote the case or provide link, no head no tail how people going to know? http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/3-spore-based-scientists-linked-to-research-fraud 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins1dious Turbocharged July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 bad publicity and damaging the university or research center ... chop chop curry pok case close I think there was enough bad publicity as it is... In which case, least they could do was make an example of these frauds... which would have been a good publicity for the rule of law. Wasn't there a recent case of fraudulent research by a South Korean PHD who was charged... in the US I think. Something about cloning or stem cell. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 did they take the money? or giving empty promises of what they are researching that will never be materialized? but if they have no idea and just talk and do for fun then is cheating. i guess these investment on research are usually like gambling, no guarantee win one. Out of 10 research if 1 or 2 success is like strike jackpot liao. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezg1 5th Gear July 19, 2016 Author Share July 19, 2016 in future please quote the case or provide link, no head no tail how people going to know? http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/3-spore-based-scientists-linked-to-research-fraud sori...thanks mod did they take the money? or giving empty promises of what they are researching that will never be materialized? but if they have no idea and just talk and do for fun then is cheating. i guess these investment on research are usually like gambling, no guarantee win one. Out of 10 research if 1 or 2 success is like strike jackpot liao. ...As in this case, they claimed to have successfully invented and these was being announced..to the many if not the world. In my own opinion..is a v very serious and clear cut case of fraud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 I think there was enough bad publicity as it is... In which case, least they could do was make an example of these frauds... which would have been a good publicity for the rule of law. Wasn't there a recent case of fraudulent research by a South Korean PHD who was charged... in the US I think. Something about cloning or stem cell. The South Korean cloning case is not recent. In fact, it's been quite a while. He was shamed when exposed many years ago, after a few years of unprecedented fame. After the expose, apparently it has been so long that he has since rebuild some of his credibility by doing some real work/results. Back to the original question, somehow in academia and research, i don't think there's been any case of anyone being charged for fraud. The most is shame and sack on expose. Maybe in a way it might be due to the verification/review process being not good enough to allow the results/papers to be published in the first place, so the ones who approved the papers/presentations maybe also paiseh?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins1dious Turbocharged July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 (edited) The South Korean cloning case is not recent. In fact, it's been quite a while. He was shamed when exposed many years ago, after a few years of unprecedented fame. After the expose, apparently it has been so long that he has since rebuild some of his credibility by doing some real work/results. Back to the original question, somehow in academia and research, i don't think there's been any case of anyone being charged for fraud. The most is shame and sack on expose. Maybe in a way it might be due to the verification/review process being not good enough to allow the results/papers to be published in the first place, so the ones who approved the papers/presentations maybe also paiseh?? You're right... the cloning case by the South Korean was in 2005 or something. Yes... he wasn't indicted for that. But the case I was remembering was this... also a South Korean http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/20/us/ac-alleged-science-fraud-investigation/index.html Federal prosecutors accuse Korean-born researcher Dr. Dong Pyou-Han of deliberately falsifying key blood research into a possible vaccine for HIV. An indictment brought against Han says he falsely showed that rabbits infected with the virus had shown remarkable improvement. That improvement was so advanced that the government's National Institutes of Health awarded Iowa State and Han nearly $15 million in federal research grants. He was sentenced to 57 months in jail and $7m in fine according to wikipedia. So researchers who deliberately set out to cheat have been charged before. Time to set a precedent here as well. Edited July 19, 2016 by ins1dious 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vratenza Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 Am pretty sure all 3 got their pink IC by now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 Am pretty sure all 3 got their pink IC by now? Like u lor U from China? Haaaaaaa.... Classic comment bro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangadrool Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 Sometimes, they cannot find in their law books. So, if not inside law books, cannot anyhow charge one even if it's questionable. We are ruled by law; don't be riled by loopholes in the law. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 Am pretty sure all 3 got their pink IC by now? One of them got the PhD awarded here revoked, right? Then it's very possible to revoke the pink IC as well, if they were given already. Pls bring the whole clan back... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weez911 Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 They falsified data from laboratory experiments leh, this to me is a very serious cheating case. Taxpayers' monies right? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vratenza Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 My great grandparents got theirs when they came from China.... save me the hassle of going to ICA to apply lah Like u lorU from China? Haaaaaaa.... Classic comment bro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangadrool Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 Pink IC once given cannot anyhow revoke de, but PR can. One of them got the PhD awarded here revoked, right? Then it's very possible to revoke the pink IC as well, if they were given already. Pls bring the whole clan back... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 Pink IC once given cannot anyhow revoke de, but PR can. But this is serious right? So it's not anyhow anyhow revoke. It's very serious so need to revoke. And all it's likely they brought a whole clan here, who will likely learn to do the same thing too. Better get rid of them. No need to jail (still need to feed them), just pack them off. If can recover some $$ from the grants, even better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 (edited) From what my BIL tells me, the falsified data in the experiments was done by the guy not in SG. The Lokireddy. This guy, Kambadur, is just the lab head or supervisor. From what my BIL says, it's likely Kambadur is just the fall guy. Edited July 19, 2016 by Lala81 ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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