Harrier 2017

[khinghong]

Dun think PI Harrier OMV can hit 40K.. should be the ARF like what other folks said... mustn't forget BM HT Luxury OMV is only 35.xK (even BMW X3 is similar at 35.xK) .. how can a PI Harrier got such a high OMV.. this is definitely a big question.. 

 

2nd thing is that I learnt from some pro folks in FB Owner group that not only the engine plus transmission are superior than PI, accordingly suspension and some other things are also upgraded to match the new turbo engine set.. too details I dunno liao.. coz I am not so technical person.. just to share some info that I know nia..

[mackymac]

From a depreciation per annum perspective, and a dealer margin perspective, it's a fantastic deal. In fact dealer margin is non existent to negative if OMV is indeed $39-40k.

 

First question I'd ask is why the PI is doing a money losing trade? Are there hidden T&Cs ie loan requirements etc? One possible legitimate reason could be that dealer wants to cut loss after BM brought in Harrier Turbo and redeploy capital.

 

Next question I'd ask is whether the higher OMV is due to better specs than the BM version or is it due to lower bargaining power by the PI both on the car price and on the transportation of the car to Singapore.

 

Then if you are comfortable that its a legit deal (ie not too good to be true), you have to decide yourself because different folks value different stuff differently. Is turbo engine worth more, or is sunroof (or any other spec)? AD vs PI etc.

 

My apologies, the 39k it's actually the ARF value. Thanks bros for pointing out the error.

 

assuming all things equal

 

PI ($145000)

downpayment @ 40% = $58000

Mthly with 2.78% 7 yrs= $1237

 

AD ($154000 premium)

downpayment @ 40% = $61600

Mthly with 2.78% 7 yrs= $1314

 

Diff (PI : AD)

1) Downpayment: $58000 vs $61600 (+$3600) over 10 years = $360/yr

2) Instalment: $1237 vs $1314

diff (+$77/mth or $924/yr)

 

IMO, diff is small or most likely one cannot feel any difference economically.

 

Peace of mind, great after sales support, definite warranty. guess $3600 upfront and $77 extra per mth is worth tilting to AD.

 

However, decision lies with the buyer.

 

Thanks bro MOT, your illustration is indeed very clear. Thanks for all the bros/sis here for sharing your valuable input. The decision to get from AD appear much more clearer now.

 

Edited September 18, 2017 by mackymac

[Dynax505]

My apologies, the 39k it's actually the ARF value. Thanks bros for pointing out the error.

 

 

Thanks bro MOT, your illustration is indeed very clear. Thanks for all the bros/sis here for sharing your valuable input. The decision to get from AD appear much more clearer now.

 

 

Good you benefited from the insight of fellow forumers!

 

Can't remember if this was covered but the resale value of PI Harriers will also be lower than AD Harrier Turbo so really by the time you sell the AD Harrier depreciation you had to face may actually be lower than the PI Harrier.  

Like someone said earlier, it has to be a bigger difference to swing you to PI.

[therock]

With the launch of the AD version, existing PI units will face some resistance to their pricing, or have to face lower resale prices as well.

So for example, a PI car that cost 140kmay have a higher depreciation compared to the turbo version from BM at the same price.

[Shox87]

Hi fellow experienced bros,

 

Can seek your input on the following. Am considering buying a PI Harrier (Style Mauve) that comes with specs of Luxury cat of HT from BM (of course sans turbo ; ) ). The price quoted is about $145K. The PI is a reputable one with CaseTrust registration. On top of that, they also offer 7 yrs warranty and 3 yrs free servicing with 8 vouchers. OMV is close to $40K, theoretically, I should be able to get back around 20k (including the body) after 10 yrs.  

 

Is this considered a good deal? 

 

i would not considered this a good deal unless its offered at below 130k. You would need to be a big risk-taker to proceed with this deal.

 

Lots of PI are stuck with the NA Harrier. 

 

I rather pay a little more for peace of mind than have sleepless night with respect to the PI delivering the car. Or worse still whether they will abscond the following day... 

[MOT]

shared this in other platform.

 

got quoted for a back camera (for BM HT as the car only comes w front recording cam) from my SE at $309 to be paid out of own pocket on collection day (although you may negotiate for it when u hv decided to buy BM HT). Just for info if u hv the intention to install. price include installation

[MOT]

shared this in other platform.

 

got quoted for a back camera (for BM HT as the car only comes w front recording cam) from my SE at $309 to be paid out of own pocket on collection day (although you may negotiate for it when u hv decided to buy BM HT). Just for info if u hv the intention to install. price include installation

Model is DR450 for the $309 quoted.

[wmboy]

Model is DR450 for the $309 quoted.

DR450 is 1 channel only. Is this the default front cam?

[MOT]

DR450 is 1 channel only. Is this the default front cam?

is this the default front cam? not sure abt it. may hv to check w the SE.

 

dr450 is 1 channel only - read abt the DR650 which indicate 2Ch. still not sure what channel do or mean.

[wmboy]

is this the default front cam? not sure abt it. may hv to check w the SE.

 

dr450 is 1 channel only - read abt the DR650 which indicate 2Ch. still not sure what channel do or mean.

1 ch means front only. 2 ch is front & back. My SE mention the default from BM is front ch only - Thinkware F50. He say to change to 2 ch need top up about 600. Roll eyes ... cos I using DR550 2ch on my current ride. Think I will just re-install on the Harrier later.

[MOT]

1 ch means front only. 2 ch is front & back. My SE mention the default from BM is front ch only - Thinkware F50. He say to change to 2 ch need top up about 600. Roll eyes ... cos I using DR550 2ch on my current ride. Think I will just re-install on the Harrier later.

wmboy. tks for info. however i knw the BM HT comes with front cam only. that was why i informed the SE i want to add back cam. so base on what u mentioned i better 2x check w her. however weird that she does not know or why wld ahe recommend DR450 when w/o buying the DR450,the car aldy has front cam.

[andrewyewkc]

 

Wheel can come off. 

[Cikgoo]

assuming all things equal

 

PI ($145000)

downpayment @ 40% = $58000

Mthly with 2.78% 7 yrs= $1237

 

AD ($154000 premium)

downpayment @ 40% = $61600

Mthly with 2.78% 7 yrs= $1314

 

Diff (PI : AD)

1) Downpayment: $58000 vs $61600 (+$3600) over 10 years = $360/yr

2) Instalment: $1237 vs $1314

diff (+$77/mth or $924/yr)

 

IMO, diff is small or most likely one cannot feel any difference economically.

 

Peace of mind, great after sales support, definite warranty. guess $3600 upfront and $77 extra per mth is worth tilting to AD.

 

However, decision lies with the buyer.

BM min 5yrs loan is at 2.38%

[MOT]

BM min 5yrs loan is at 2.38%

just for simple illustration assuming all things equal.thats why equat interest rate the same.

[wmboy]

Looks like BM has sold out their Elegance for 2017 delivery. The price for Elegance is +10k and higher than 2017 delivery Premium.

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=12121

[Thaiyotakamli]

Hi fellow experienced bros,

 

Can seek your input on the following. Am considering buying a PI Harrier (Style Mauve) that comes with specs of Luxury cat of HT from BM (of course sans turbo ; ) ). The price quoted is about $145K. The PI is a reputable one with CaseTrust registration. On top of that, they also offer 7 yrs warranty and 3 yrs free servicing with 8 vouchers. OMV is close to $40K, theoretically, I should be able to get back around 20k (including the body) after 10 yrs.

 

Is this considered a good deal?

145k is ex

 

I can easily find 138k with free 3x servicing and 3 yrs warranty.

 

Dont be fooled by 7 yrs warranty, must know who is the workshop and how much the limit of warranty claim.

 

Good thing about pi u can get the harrier faster if u wait for borneo maybe need to wait next year plus theres cev surcharge next year for premium hence about 25k diff for same premium.model.

 

Good thing about borneo is that its facelifted model, turbo and warranty by borneo. Future resale might be better but with 25k diff the decision lies in ur hand.

[georgia]

Hi fellow experienced bros,

 

Can seek your input on the following. Am considering buying a PI Harrier (Style Mauve) that comes with specs of Luxury cat of HT from BM (of course sans turbo ; ) ). The price quoted is about $145K. The PI is a reputable one with CaseTrust registration. On top of that, they also offer 7 yrs warranty and 3 yrs free servicing with 8 vouchers. OMV is close to $40K, theoretically, I should be able to get back around 20k (including the body) after 10 yrs.  

 

Is this considered a good deal? 

 

 

Hi Bro Mackymac,

 

I am also in the same dilemma as you. i am currently also considering between Style Mauve and AD Harrier, the equivalent of AD model for Style Mauve is the 2.0 Luxury. in terms of price difference is almost $15k!

 

The one to go for definitely is the 2.0 Luxury for Turbo Harrier, the elegance and Premium features make me feel like buying a very dated car in 2017.

according to the SE Style Mauve Harrier ARF is closed to $40k i can almost get back $20k in term of scrap Value which is very high.

 

bros here have feedback the various pros and cons of AD and PI my only concern is must get from a reputable seller. other than that no issue, as my current car is from AD a lot of stuff are not cover under warranty, majority of it are categorised under wear and tear and you need to pay out of your pocket. the warranty mainly cover the engine which you should have the least worry when u buying a TOYOTA lol!

 

In terms of service, it is cheaper to service outside workshop, my current AD charge at least 2x more expensive than outside workshop furthermore a lot of original/genuine parts can get from stockist at a much lower price.

 

Turbo or no turbo its really depend on your driving habits, before Harrier I was looking at Forester NA, as I find it quite no worth it to pay close to 15k for additional horsepower that you might not need it. turbo is definitely good to have its more like a power on demand when you need it its there for you to tap on. otherwise it is an additional cost to maintain it.

 

i find the feature in style mauve, make the car looks very upmarket compare to elegance and premium model, one of the features especially the memory seats, if you have more than 1 driver it is a very convenient feature to have. and recently i just found out stylemauve come in a very nice red colour! looks different from the harrier turbo red which i find the AD model red a bit oldish kind of like liver red. according to SE the stylemauve red special edition have less than 30 units in SG(not sure how true it is but i have only saw twice on the road so far).

 

 

So its really up to you, if money not an issue i will go for Harrier Turbo 2.0 Luxury for sure!

[Lawkoh]

Hi Bro Mackymac,

 

I am also in the same dilemma as you. i am currently also considering between Style Mauve and AD Harrier, the equivalent of AD model for Style Mauve is the 2.0 Luxury. in terms of price difference is almost $15k!

 

The one to go for definitely is the 2.0 Luxury for Turbo Harrier, the elegance and Premium features make me feel like buying a very dated car in 2017.

according to the SE Style Mauve Harrier ARF is closed to $40k i can almost get back $20k in term of scrap Value which is very high.

 

bros here have feedback the various pros and cons of AD and PI my only concern is must get from a reputable seller. other than that no issue, as my current car is from AD a lot of stuff are not cover under warranty, majority of it are categorised under wear and tear and you need to pay out of your pocket. the warranty mainly cover the engine which you should have the least worry when u buying a TOYOTA lol!

 

In terms of service, it is cheaper to service outside workshop, my current AD charge at least 2x more expensive than outside workshop furthermore a lot of original/genuine parts can get from stockist at a much lower price.

 

Turbo or no turbo its really depend on your driving habits, before Harrier I was looking at Forester NA, as I find it quite no worth it to pay close to 15k for additional horsepower that you might not need it. turbo is definitely good to have its more like a power on demand when you need it its there for you to tap on. otherwise it is an additional cost to maintain it.

 

i find the feature in style mauve, make the car looks very upmarket compare to elegance and premium model, one of the features especially the memory seats, if you have more than 1 driver it is a very convenient feature to have. and recently i just found out stylemauve come in a very nice red colour! looks different from the harrier turbo red which i find the AD model red a bit oldish kind of like liver red. according to SE the stylemauve red special edition have less than 30 units in SG(not sure how true it is but i have only saw twice on the road so far).

 

 

So its really up to you, if money not an issue i will go for Harrier Turbo 2.0 Luxury for sure!

AD Luxury version PARF is $21k

If PI version ARF is $40k, PARF will be $20k

How about the CEVS Rebate of -$10k?

If with the CEVS Rebate, the return is only $10k

Best to work out the Depreciation correctly.

 

AD should also have free 3 years service.

However, do consider the FC of NA vs Turbo and the resale market with AD warranty vs PI warranty.