Spring Moderator September 5, 2019 Share September 5, 2019 22 hours ago, Kusje said: Yes of course. But if he does well, what's the incentive for him to come back? Take photos with hsien loong is not an incentive. By your definition of no incentive to come back if a sportsmen does well, this could apply to a lot of sportsmen n even artists as well shld they be allowed deferment. Point I’m trying to make is that if the authorities have this mindset then might as well dont allow deferment across the board since there is a flight risk. ↡ Advertisement 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator September 5, 2019 Share September 5, 2019 22 hours ago, Lala81 said: By 2024, there will be 30% less NSF per year. Deferring, downgrading etc is not going to be as easy as anymore. It’s true that manpower shortage will be a reality so it would be up to the authorities to prioritise n cut their cloth accordingly. U can’t have your cake n eat it which is what I feel Singapore as a whole tends to do eg U can’t expect to be top in productivity n yet be courteous at the same time as they are often contradictory. So u can’t expect to play at WC standards n serve your NS obligations at the peak of your sporting age as it’s contradictory as well. Countries who set sporting goals often have the whole govt machinery behind them but obviously this is not the case here. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benarsenal Turbocharged September 6, 2019 Share September 6, 2019 On 9/5/2019 at 12:35 PM, Spring said: It’s true that manpower shortage will be a reality so it would be up to the authorities to prioritise n cut their cloth accordingly. U can’t have your cake n eat it which is what I feel Singapore as a whole tends to do eg U can’t expect to be top in productivity n yet be courteous at the same time as they are often contradictory. So u can’t expect to play at WC standards n serve your NS obligations at the peak of your sporting age as it’s contradictory as well. Countries who set sporting goals often have the whole govt machinery behind them but obviously this is not the case here. I agree. It's stupid that the relevant stakeholders and authorities cannot see that they have contradictory aims and goals. Say so much want to achieve this and that yet never coordinate together. I think it's clear where Singapore's priorities lie though. They can talk so much about wanting to do this and that in sports, but we know in the end is just lip service. At the end of the day other things take precedence. I just feel that we as a country should be just honest with itself and admit it. Not all countries excel in sport, it's fine. But don't come up with bulls**t targets and waste everybody's time when in the end nothing will be properly done to achieve it. If want to do it, then please take it seriously. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast1 Supersonic September 6, 2019 Share September 6, 2019 (edited) On 9/4/2019 at 1:46 PM, Kusje said: Yes of course. But if he does well, what's the incentive for him to come back? Take photos with hsien loong is not an incentive. Come on, don't say you wouldn't want a photo with this charming cheerful cherub of a man? 😂 😂 😂 Edited September 6, 2019 by Turboflat4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benarsenal Turbocharged September 28, 2019 Share September 28, 2019 I'd rather he play for England, but it's OK. Thailand also can. He's far too good for Singapore. Good luck mate. All the best. https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ns-defaulter-ben-davis-named-thailands-provisional-sea-games-football-squad 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fcw75 Hypersonic September 28, 2019 Share September 28, 2019 On 9/7/2019 at 12:06 AM, Benarsenal said: I agree. It's stupid that the relevant stakeholders and authorities cannot see that they have contradictory aims and goals. Say so much want to achieve this and that yet never coordinate together. I think it's clear where Singapore's priorities lie though. They can talk so much about wanting to do this and that in sports, but we know in the end is just lip service. At the end of the day other things take precedence. I just feel that we as a country should be just honest with itself and admit it. Not all countries excel in sport, it's fine. But don't come up with bulls**t targets and waste everybody's time when in the end nothing will be properly done to achieve it. If want to do it, then please take it seriously. Not just sports, recycling and environment too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic September 28, 2019 Share September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Benarsenal said: I'd rather he play for England, but it's OK. Thailand also can. He's far too good for Singapore. Good luck mate. All the best. https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ns-defaulter-ben-davis-named-thailands-provisional-sea-games-football-squad I hope Thailand and SG are in the same group and Ben Davis scores the winner goal which kicks sigapore out of the tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast1 Supersonic September 28, 2019 Share September 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kusje said: I hope Thailand and SG are in the same group and Ben Davis scores the winner goal which kicks sigapore out of the tournament Wait till his plane breaks down and is forced to land in SG. If they arrest him, international incident. If they do nothing, accusations of being balls-free. Personally I'd rather they march onto the plane and seize him. They don't even need a breakdown just a routine stop or a connecting flight, but I doubt that he'll be stupid enough to consider those options knowing what can happen. If I were a defaulter I wouldn't travel anywhere near Singapore. Edited September 28, 2019 by Turboflat4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic September 30, 2019 Share September 30, 2019 On 9/28/2019 at 11:47 PM, Turboflat4 said: Wait till his plane breaks down and is forced to land in SG. If they arrest him, international incident. If they do nothing, accusations of being balls-free. Personally I'd rather they march onto the plane and seize him. They don't even need a breakdown just a routine stop or a connecting flight, but I doubt that he'll be stupid enough to consider those options knowing what can happen. If I were a defaulter I wouldn't travel anywhere near Singapore. Has he accepted that offer? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picnic06-Biante15 Supersonic September 30, 2019 Share September 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Davidtch said: Has he accepted that offer? He should and led Thailand to 2034 WC ... Then SG LLST ..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benarsenal Turbocharged October 13, 2019 Share October 13, 2019 He got no regrets. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/footballer-ben-davis-no-plans-return-singapore-thailand-fulham-11995954 Good. I hope he succeeds and flies high and does well. Singapore doesn't deserve him. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic October 13, 2019 Share October 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Benarsenal said: He got no regrets. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/footballer-ben-davis-no-plans-return-singapore-thailand-fulham-11995954 Good. I hope he succeeds and flies high and does well. Singapore doesn't deserve him. Dun deserve him for what? Safe ride Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic October 13, 2019 Share October 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, Benarsenal said: He got no regrets. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/footballer-ben-davis-no-plans-return-singapore-thailand-fulham-11995954 Good. I hope he succeeds and flies high and does well. Singapore doesn't deserve him. You sound like sour grapes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benarsenal Turbocharged October 13, 2019 Share October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Davidtch said: You sound like sour grapes Not at all. I mean no sarcasm whatsoever. I really hope he goes out there and shames Singapore for letting a talent like him go. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic October 13, 2019 Share October 13, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Benarsenal said: Not at all. I mean no sarcasm whatsoever. I really hope he goes out there and shames Singapore for letting a talent like him go. Frankly, what's there to shame Singapore for? He's always had the option to change citizenship. We wish him well but we are not at his mercy to be proud or ashamed. You elevated him too high. Its just football. Not god or saviour to our well being. So many promising and aspiring Singaporean sportsmen to bring us greater glory. And these are true blue citizens. We should cherish these and let them excel. Not someone who dangled a pair of boots that's really nowhere anywhere yet. No fame especially in sports is forever. Everyone grows old and gets replaced. Still, its his personal decision to represent whoever can give him the opportunity to excel in his love for the game. That decision may change if he should decide another country can up the opportunity for him. Who knows what the future holds. No shame at all. He's only 1 NS defaulter. Always be remembered as such. By me. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/footballer-ben-davis-no-plans-return-singapore-thailand-fulham-11995954 Read carefully. Even if he gets deferment from serving NS, he's NOT representing Singapore but England. How's that for so called impression of playing to represent Singapore. No intention. Besides he's got NO REGRETS and always felt in his blood he belongs to these 2 countries, England and Thailand. And he's playing for Thailand because it will make his mother happy. Period. What shame to Singapore? Aiyo. Safe ride Cheers Edited October 13, 2019 by PSP415 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash2017 Twincharged October 13, 2019 Share October 13, 2019 On 9/28/2019 at 11:47 PM, Turboflat4 said: Wait till his plane breaks down and is forced to land in SG. If they arrest him, international incident. If they do nothing, accusations of being balls-free. Personally I'd rather they march onto the plane and seize him. They don't even need a breakdown just a routine stop or a connecting flight, but I doubt that he'll be stupid enough to consider those options knowing what can happen. If I were a defaulter I wouldn't travel anywhere near Singapore. potential defaulter (reservist) spotted 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tianmo Hypersonic October 13, 2019 Share October 13, 2019 Born in Thailand to a British father and a Thai mother. Moved to SG at age 5, became citizen 4 yrs later at age 9. From age 9 to 15, make use of his SG citizenship to get subsidies education in local school. Enrolled into sports school as a citizen paying citizen rate. Move to UK before completing his DSA obligations in DSA admission to sports schools. Called up to represent SG but not filled. Refuse to serve NS. So how local is Ben Davis? Besides making used of SG to give him subsidies education and football training by means of a citizenship, isn't he just another imported FT given citizenship? At least those imported FT players given citizenship did their part for SG. Ben Davis? It's quite common for gov to even things out, you became citizen with an agenda. You will have to pay for it in some way. Serve NS to offset what you have gain as a citizen, fair enough? Here we have an imported FT, making use of SG as a stepping board, enjoying benefits of local born citizens, but not willing to perform duty of a local citizen. And now he is saying he had not feeling and no attachment to SG. Well we cannot fault him for saying so, because SG was always only being made use of as a stepping borad and a bridge . And we have locals cheering for him. Can someone explain to me why? Are we really so happy to be made suckers? And cheer for ppl who make us look like suckers? Ben Davis a local football talent? Really? Seriously? 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic October 14, 2019 Share October 14, 2019 (edited) become SC liao can still convert back to Thai citizen? since default NS, what if ah gong does not release the SC revoke? just like PRC become SC and ultimate destination is for the kid to become AMDK American or Brit ... Edited October 14, 2019 by Wt_know ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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