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I'm looking to improve the audio of my car and looking at a DSP/Amp and/or speakers. 

 

Would it make senses to do the DSP/Amp first and see if it's sufficient ?

 

Or should I just change the speakers first ? 

 

Does the shop normally charge to retune the DSP if you get the speakers elsewhere? Should this be something you can do yourself ?

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i was in your situation a few months ago. IMHO, you must know how much you prepared to spend

for your entire project. list them down like how much budget for speakers, dsp/amp, woofer, quality

cable and etc. i would advice to change your stock speakers first and move on from there. :)

 

just a side note, i was presented by my installer that some really high-end cable which is as thick as

a finger could costs couple of thousands. :lll._.:

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Budget first before anything. Agreed that speaker first to go. If you look at existing stock speakers of most cars, it is a joke.

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i was in your situation a few months ago. IMHO, you must know how much you prepared to spend

for your entire project. list them down like how much budget for speakers, dsp/amp, woofer, quality

cable and etc. i would advice to change your stock speakers first and move on from there. :)

 

just a side note, i was presented by my installer that some really high-end cable which is as thick as

a finger could costs couple of thousands. :lll._.:

 

Yah, I had the same thing in mind, but the DSP/AMP I wanted is from a different shop from the one selling the speakers.  And the DSP/AMP person said to do the DSP/AMP first .. and then if I'm not happy with the sound, change the speakers.  Said that I might not even need to change my speakers. I thought it's always the other way, that the speakers make a bigger differences. 

 

Anyway, anybody using Audison APK / APX ? How's the clarity of the vocal ? I want something decent without paying a big bomb. Open to other CHEAPER suggestions.

 

And when I ask if there if retuning is required if I change speakers and if there is any cost to the retuning, there wasn't any reply.  

 

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Yah, I had the same thing in mind, but the DSP/AMP I wanted is from a different shop from the one selling the speakers.  And the DSP/AMP person said to do the DSP/AMP first .. and then if I'm not happy with the sound, change the speakers.  Said that I might not even need to change my speakers. I thought it's always the other way, that the speakers make a bigger differences. 

 

Anyway, anybody using Audison APK / APX ? How's the clarity of the vocal ? I want something decent without paying a big bomb. Open to other CHEAPER suggestions.

 

And when I ask if there if retuning is required if I change speakers and if there is any cost to the retuning, there wasn't any reply.  

 

 

Are you going for active or passive setup?

 

If you are upgrading from stock, I think most people will go for upgrade of speakers and installation of amp in hand. This would reap the most benefits.

 

If you are going for active, there will be tuning involved. You can pay for their tuning services which may vary, depending on their kungfu. OR, you can try tuning on your own which is free and very fun to do so...

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Yah, I had the same thing in mind, but the DSP/AMP I wanted is from a different shop from the one selling the speakers. And the DSP/AMP person said to do the DSP/AMP first .. and then if I'm not happy with the sound, change the speakers. Said that I might not even need to change my speakers. I thought it's always the other way, that the speakers make a bigger differences.

 

Anyway, anybody using Audison APK / APX ? How's the clarity of the vocal ? I want something decent without paying a big bomb. Open to other CHEAPER suggestions.

 

And when I ask if there if retuning is required if I change speakers and if there is any cost to the retuning, there wasn't any reply.

 

Get from the same shop is better, prevent finger pointing if things go wrong..

 

Get the shop to work out aomething for u

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Get from the same shop is better, prevent finger pointing if things go wrong..

 

Get the shop to work out aomething for u

 

1. Price differences of $200+ if I get from same shop, and this was after negotiation.  

 

2. In general, I do agree that it's always better to go to 1 shop. But it's only speakers, so I don't think other than running around twice, there will be much differences and finger pointing. Not like I'm buying DSP & Amp from different shop. Unfortunately, I suddenly got tied up with work... LOL.. so will have to a break from looking into this for a few weeks. 

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Are you going for active or passive setup?

 

If you are upgrading from stock, I think most people will go for upgrade of speakers and installation of amp in hand. This would reap the most benefits.

 

If you are going for active, there will be tuning involved. You can pay for their tuning services which may vary, depending on their kungfu. OR, you can try tuning on your own which is free and very fun to do so...

 

I'm not familiar with the term active vs passive. I assume passive means without an additional amp, just head unit, and active means with amp. I've given myself a budget of approx $1200/= , preferably less. 

 

In fact, I just saw the following, totally different product from what I was considering but this looks like a much cheaper option. Not sure if it's any good. Cannot find any real reviews, etc. Power output looks to be quite low, and they seem to be targeting a low end segment. 

 

https://www.pioneer.com.sg/sg/products-detail/index.html/?product=DEQ-S1000A

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i was in your situation a few months ago. IMHO, you must know how much you prepared to spend

for your entire project. list them down like how much budget for speakers, dsp/amp, woofer, quality

cable and etc. i would advice to change your stock speakers first and move on from there. :)

 

just a side note, i was presented by my installer that some really high-end cable which is as thick as

a finger could costs couple of thousands. :lll._.:

Happened to me too, guess this must be an industrial practice to make more money. Till today I still don't understand why I agreed to pay $800 more just for the 'upgraded' cabling........frankly, believe I could not tell the difference even if the packaged cables were used.  :a-bang:

Must do your homework & recce around before committing. You can't blame the installer, they tend to max the profit & not all of them are ethical. Right now I faced the dilemma whether to retrieve the audio system before scrap. Do not want to spend another $100 bucks to remove the system when I'm not sure these can be re-installed into my new car.

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1. Price differences of $200+ if I get from same shop, and this was after negotiation.

 

2. In general, I do agree that it's always better to go to 1 shop. But it's only speakers, so I don't think other than running around twice, there will be much differences and finger pointing. Not like I'm buying DSP & Amp from different shop. Unfortunately, I suddenly got tied up with work... LOL.. so will have to a break from looking into this for a few weeks.

Lets say something happen during the install and somehow the speaker kaput one day after?

 

Get the detailed breakdown of the $200 .. could be due to basic installation cost like power / speaker cable / mdf speaker ring etc

Happened to me too, guess this must be an industrial practice to make more money. Till today I still don't understand why I agreed to pay $800 more just for the 'upgraded' cabling........frankly, believe I could not tell the difference even if the packaged cables were used. :a-bang:

Must do your homework & recce around before committing. You can't blame the installer, they tend to max the profit & not all of them are ethical. Right now I faced the dilemma whether to retrieve the audio system before scrap. Do not want to spend another $100 bucks to remove the system when I'm not sure these can be re-installed into my new car.

u can retrieve .. but if u install it will have some warranty implication in your new car..

 

There are many foresters with Audio upgrades and the installer are pretty familiar with the car

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Lets say something happen during the install and somehow the speaker kaput one day after?

 

Get the detailed breakdown of the $200 .. could be due to basic installation cost like power / speaker cable / mdf speaker ring etc

u can retrieve .. but if u install it will have some warranty implication in your new car..

 

There are many foresters with Audio upgrades and the installer are pretty familiar with the car

Hi,

 

Can share the 'audio upgrades' details/pricing & installers' names?

 

Thanks in advance.

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What i did was, i went to a shop which carries some mid to high end stuffs. I experienced the SQ of the speakers base on my budget with still using my stock HU. After that, I realised that my HU cannot drive my new speakers to it peak level, so I upgrade my HU. I was told that my powerful speakers need a ppwerful amp to punch them after

I spent closed to $1k. Hanging there half way. Bopian, so add a powerful dsp/amp. Now, feel the punch is unbalance. Add another amp and a sub woofer. Still cannot catch the optimal level of punch I wanted. Do sound proofing...still some way to go if i have the time. :)

 

Music is part of a moment i can distress after a hard day work. Enjoy while you can.

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I'm not familiar with the term active vs passive. I assume passive means without an additional amp, just head unit, and active means with amp. I've given myself a budget of approx $1200/= , preferably less. 

 

In fact, I just saw the following, totally different product from what I was considering but this looks like a much cheaper option. Not sure if it's any good. Cannot find any real reviews, etc. Power output looks to be quite low, and they seem to be targeting a low end segment. 

 

https://www.pioneer.com.sg/sg/products-detail/index.html/?product=DEQ-S1000A

 

Active Setup will usually cost > $1200...Passive setup is easily achieved with $1200..

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Hi,

 

Can share the 'audio upgrades' details/pricing & installers' names?

 

Thanks in advance.

Just need to visit foon audio or audio solution facebook page.. shld see quite alot already

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I'm looking to improve the audio of my car and looking at a DSP/Amp and/or speakers.

 

Would it make senses to do the DSP/Amp first and see if it's sufficient ?

 

Or should I just change the speakers first ?

 

Does the shop normally charge to retune the DSP if you get the speakers elsewhere? Should this be something you can do yourself ?

If stock speaker ...

Save it

 

 

Rather get a hu would be a better choice

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Go passive. Easy on the pockets and with decent improvement over stock for sure.

What would you recommend for passive?

If stock speaker ...

Save it

 

 

Rather get a hu would be a better choice

Why? Every audio shop tells me the least return is actually HU.what should we expect from HU upgrade?

Active Setup will usually cost > $1200...Passive setup is easily achieved with $1200..

I get different advise about subwoofer. Some tell me no need. What would be your recommendation? Active or Passive?

 

Do you use cross over or dsp?

Active Setup will usually cost > $1200...Passive setup is easily achieved with $1200..

I get different advise about subwoofer. Some tell me no need. What would be your recommendation? Active or Passive?

 

Do you use cross over or dsp?

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Hu is the brain of the system.

Well do take note of some ice activity ..

 

We have ice gathering once in a while .

Come and have audition

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What would you recommend for passive?

Why? Every audio shop tells me the least return is actually HU.what should we expect from HU upgrade?

I get different advise about subwoofer. Some tell me no need. What would be your recommendation? Active or Passive?

 

Do you use cross over or dsp?

I get different advise about subwoofer. Some tell me no need. What would be your recommendation? Active or Passive?

 

Do you use cross over or dsp?

I opine the upgrade that gives the least “return on investment” will be cables, unless using high end systems. For HU, an entry level aftermarket one should improve the sound in some ways, eg better reception or clarity.

 

If u listen to music with very low bass extensions, then having a sub (with amp) would be nice. Otherwise, a good pair of mid woofers will suffice to achieve punchy bass. Nonethelsss, I wouldn’t waste time on active subs.

 

DSP can be connected as active or passive setup, depending on how much control u want over individual speakers. My previous Clarion D2 (built in DSP) was running on passive, while some ran theirs on active. No right or wrong, just different preferences on SQ.

 

Just my two cents based on my limited knowledge. Hope it helps

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I opine the upgrade that gives the least âreturn on investmentâ will be cables, unless using high end systems. For HU, an entry level aftermarket one should improve the sound in some ways, eg better reception or clarity.

 

If u listen to music with very low bass extensions, then having a sub (with amp) would be nice. Otherwise, a good pair of mid woofers will suffice to achieve punchy bass. Nonethelsss, I wouldnât waste time on active subs.

 

DSP can be connected as active or passive setup, depending on how much control u want over individual speakers. My previous Clarion D2 (built in DSP) was running on passive, while some ran theirs on active. No right or wrong, just different preferences on SQ.

 

Just my two cents based on my limited knowledge. Hope it helps ð

Thanks for the detail explanation rather than just telling me I'm stupid. :-)

 

So am I right that passive means using cross over and active means directly using the dsp/amp/eq to drive the different component without crossover circuit.

 

1. My sound seems to be coming from below the dash. I can move it forward and back but not up.

 

2. My tweeter is at corner of dash.

 

3. Sound seems to be coming specifically from the side speakers rather than nice warm around kind of sound.I've heard car audio that sounds for a lack of description, like a home Bose sound system. Trying to figure out what I should look at without actually getting a Bose. :-)

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Thanks for the detail explanation rather than just telling me I'm stupid. :-)

 

So am I right that passive means using cross over and active means directly using the dsp/amp/eq to drive the different component without crossover circuit.

 

1. My sound seems to be coming from below the dash. I can move it forward and back but not up.

 

2. My tweeter is at corner of dash.

 

3. Sound seems to be coming specifically from the side speakers rather than nice warm around kind of sound.I've heard car audio that sounds for a lack of description, like a home Bose sound system. Trying to figure out what I should look at without actually getting a Bose. :-)

No prob bro. Forum discussions are to share n learn knowledge from one another. I can only share what I think is correct Edited by Whitemorning

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No prob bro. Forum discussions are to share n learn knowledge from one another. I can only share what I think is correct ð

 

Your understanding on passive n active is correct. I have gone from passive to active, n eventually back to passive. Mainly bcos I find passive setup sounds more natural and with life. In my opinion, active is like âhearing the soundâ, while passive is like âfeeling the musicâ.

 

If ur HU has basic EQ functions, it is possible to raise the sound higher. Iâve recently tried playing with the EQ of my new carâs stock HU, n can hear some difference though it still sounds like crap.

 

For your point 3, I believe u are referring to a surround sound effect in a car, which should be possible with a 5.1 or 7.1 system. But the SQ can never match home audio, sompls dun ever compare car audio with home audio. Basically our car environment is confined n surrounded with glass, which creates reverberations and interference, n our seating position is also a contributing factor.

 

End of the day, I think car audio can never sound as good as home audio. Hence, I prefer to keep my car audio setup simple n use the money on more meaningful things. Planning to use my stock HU with the new Pioneer S1000a DSP, front 2-way components n rear coaxials. Not sure how it will sound, but definitely easier to dekit in future if changing car ð

 

Just my humble laymanâs opinions ð

Refer to point 3. No, I'm not really talking about surround. I used to have a Bose 2.1, and it actually sounds warm, and if someone hid the speaker,I couldn't tell where is the speakers from listening to the sound.

 

I was also looking at Pioneer Deq-s1000a for 2 months but I'm not sure since cannot find real proper reviews and the power seems rather low (50 Watts Peak) if used with after market speakers. Also the plug and plug cable harness isn't available. The price is low (sgd285) but installation is almost 1x price of device.

 

If you go ahead, let me know how it goes. Have additional questions but it's specific to certain products and shop, msg me private if you don't mind.

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What would you recommend for passive?

Why? Every audio shop tells me the least return is actually HU.what should we expect from HU upgrade?

I get different advise about subwoofer. Some tell me no need. What would be your recommendation? Active or Passive?

 

Do you use cross over or dsp?

I get different advise about subwoofer. Some tell me no need. What would be your recommendation? Active or Passive?

 

Do you use cross over or dsp?

If u not itchy hand and not constantly wanting better sound.. changing speaker.. add dsp and amp would be good enough

 

But if u are quite particular about sound, then change HU first

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No prob bro. Forum discussions are to share n learn knowledge from one another. I can only share what I think is correct ð

 

Your understanding on passive n active is correct. I have gone from passive to active, n eventually back to passive. Mainly bcos I find passive setup sounds more natural and with life. In my opinion, active is like âhearing the soundâ, while passive is like âfeeling the musicâ.

 

If ur HU has basic EQ functions, it is possible to raise the sound higher. Iâve recently tried playing with the EQ of my new carâs stock HU, n can hear some difference though it still sounds like crap.

 

For your point 3, I believe u are referring to a surround sound effect in a car, which should be possible with a 5.1 or 7.1 system. But the SQ can never match home audio, so try not to compare car audio with home audio. Basically our car environment is a confined space surrounded with glass, which creates reverberations and interference, n our seating position is also a contributing factor.

 

End of the day, I think car audio can never sound as good as home audio. Hence, I prefer to keep my car audio setup simple n use the money on more meaningful things. Planning to use my stock HU with the new Pioneer S1000a DSP, front 2-way components n rear coaxials. Not sure how it will sound, but definitely easier to dekit in future if changing car ð

 

Just my humble laymanâs opinions ð

What are you using for front component speakers?
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