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Singapore-Malaysia ties took a sudden turn on two fronts yesterday, as simmering disputes over airspace and territorial waters came into the open.

Singapore said it had lodged a strong protest with Kuala Lumpur over its move to extend the Johor Baru port limits to encroach into the Republic's territorial waters off Tuas.

The Republic added that it would not hesitate to take firm action against intrusions and unauthorised activities in its waters.

"Singapore has protested the unauthorised movements of, and purported assertions of sovereignty by, these vessels, which are inconsistent with international law," it said.

"The Republic of Singapore Navy and the Police Coast Guard are safeguarding the sovereignty of Singapore territorial waters and enforcing the security of these waters on a 24/7 basis," it added.

Mr Khaw said the Malaysian actions "are clearly a violation of our sovereignty and international law"

The maritime clash surfaced just hours after Malaysia's Transport Minister said Kuala Lumpur planned to retake charge of managing airspace over south Johor that had long been delegated to the Republic, drawing a swift response from his Singapore counterpart.

"It is not our stance to take a confrontational approach," said Mr Anthony Loke. "But this involves our sovereignty, which the Malaysian government will defend in the strongest terms."

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This drew a swift response from Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan, who said: "Airspace management has nothing to do with sovereignty, and many countries have their airspace, or at least part of (it), managed by other countries."

Rather, it was about safety and efficiency, he added. 

On the maritime front, Singapore's Ministry of Transport said Malaysia announced the change to Johor Baru port limits in a notice in the Federal Government Gazette on Oct 25. Over the past two weeks, vessels from the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency and Marine Department Malaysia have also repeatedly intruded into these territorial waters, the ministry added.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spore-kl-ties-hit-by-disputes-over-waters-and-airspace

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put the water stuff aside.

 

the airspace issues we really on the losing side.

its their airspace in the first place, now is already 2018 , bring up any promise from the early 70s make no different.

 

they didnt even mention any thing about cutting our plane off.

only controlling back their own area, and we feel our balls squeeze liao.

 

 

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CCB Mahathir

 

Dont worry, fight the case for years...

i want to see how long he can last to stir shit

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CCB Mahathir

This guy always up to stir SG. Threaten us water price, causeway bridge, and now these issues.
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This guy always up to stir SG. Threaten us water price, causeway bridge, and now these issues.

Madhatter lost face during his recent visit to Singapore with his water tariff & crooked bridge issues being ignored. So revenge time and put pressure on Singapore to give in. Typical Madhatter style.

 

Singapore should now start flexing its muscles and call his bluff by firing on ships crossing over the original water limits and see if he has got balls to escalate the situation. He is gambling on we backing off .

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This guy always up to stir SG. Threaten us water price, causeway bridge, and now these issues.

 

See it from their pt of view:

 

Water price - johor has been experiencing their own water shortages and they are practically giving us the raw water that they have

Crooked bridge - the current landbridge at the causeway doesn't allow for marine traffic to johor ports. Singapore is being selfish and protective of our own ports but what about msia's interest? We can refuse to build an oversea bridge and keep our land portion and they build their crooked part - anything wrong if they pay for it?

put the water stuff aside.

 

the airspace issues we really on the losing side.

its their airspace in the first place, now is already 2018 , bring up any promise from the early 70s make no different.

 

they didnt even mention any thing about cutting our plane off.

only controlling back their own area, and we feel our balls squeeze liao.

 

Don't know the legality of it but on the surface, they have many ways to tekan seletar airport.

 

Just need to designate 1 field in pasir gudang for kite flying competition every Saturday and drone flying hobby on Sunday. Inform Seletar 1 day in advance. GG already.

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See it from their pt of view:

 

Water price - johor has been experiencing their own water shortages and they are practically giving us the raw water that they have

Crooked bridge - the current landbridge at the causeway doesn't allow for marine traffic to johor ports. Singapore is being selfish and protective of our own ports but what about msia's interest? We can refuse to build an oversea bridge and keep our land portion and they build their crooked part - anything wrong if they pay for it?

 

Don't know the legality of it but on the surface, they have many ways to tekan seletar airport.

 

Just need to designate 1 field in pasir gudang for kite flying competition every Saturday and drone flying hobby on Sunday. Inform Seletar 1 day in advance. GG already.

exactly, we really need to be humble when nego this, if not we confirm come out losing.

 

remember its we need their airspace, not they need ours.

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good neighbour, bad neighbour ... it's a cycle

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I think the move to Seletar airport is stupid by Singapore. The flight path is either towards Malaysia and disturb them or towards amk Yishun Sekang.

 

We can point the ils southwards but we choose it to point it north without even getting permission from Malaysia. Informing them is not the same as they giving us permission...

 

They are quite careful to move a Malaysian airline to Seletar airport to test water. The act of moving an airline will force a response from Malaysia and maybe negotiations can start. The only airline that suffer disruption is firefly....

 

I still think Seletar is a stupid place for airport .

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if ahjib kor sure can talk ... just like HSR also committed and start work already [sly][lipsrsealed]

 

I think the move to Seletar airport is stupid by Singapore. The flight path is either towards Malaysia and disturb them or towards amk Yishun Sekang.

We can point the ils southwards but we choose it to point it north without even getting permission from Malaysia. Informing them is not the same as they giving us permission...

 

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Our Eagles are very active these few days...my siesta disturbed but I’m not complaining...

 

They are watching over us at all times at any cost...respect and salute!

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You are seated on a long flight to somewhere.

The guy next to you has his legs open wide.

It intruded into your space.

He thinks it's chummy.

You think it's a violation of your space, the money you paid for your seat.

 

What do you do ?

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We are just a small red dot to them. Yes....We may have a  powerful armed forces in Asia.....But when it comes to nego, Singapore still needs to bow and be humble to them.

exactly, we really need to be humble when nego this, if not we confirm come out losing.

 

remember its we need their airspace, not they need ours.

 

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We are just a small red dot to them. Yes....We may have a  powerful armed forces in Asia.....But when it comes to nego, Singapore still needs to bow and be humble to them.

not say we small we need be humble.

must see wat situation.

 

like this airspace case, we need them to do us a big favour

(we want to use their space, and we want control over it).

 

until 1 day when we dun need this favour from them, they will forever use it as a bargaining chip against us

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Think they also not happy with the price they sell water to us. Maybe its vent up fustration in the making.

not say we small we need be humble.

must see wat situation.

 

like this airspace case, we need them to do us a big favour

(we want to use their space, and we want control over it).

 

until 1 day when we dun need this favour from them, they will forever use it as a bargaining chip against us

 

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You are seated on a long flight to somewhere.

The guy next to you has his legs open wide.

It intruded into your space.

He thinks it's chummy.

You think it's a violation of your space, the money you paid for your seat.

 

What do you do ?

 

Every hour go toilet (that it if he is in the outer seat)..... [sly]

 

Inconvenient him ... :secret-laugh:

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Or put your hand on the organ between his leg?

Every hour go toilet (that it if he is in the outer seat)..... [sly]

 

Inconvenient him ... :secret-laugh:

 

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They need a bogeyman to distract whats happening over there......Seafield temple issue, Najib's growing support over PH inept leadership with many saying that ph won with lies, empty promises and slander. This coming weekend's opposition rally/demo will surely put pressure on PH leadership and Singapore is just the best bogeyman to distract and unify the country.

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See it from their pt of view:

 

Water price - johor has been experiencing their own water shortages and they are practically giving us the raw water that they have

Crooked bridge - the current landbridge at the causeway doesn't allow for marine traffic to johor ports. Singapore is being selfish and protective of our own ports but what about msia's interest? We can refuse to build an oversea bridge and keep our land portion and they build their crooked part - anything wrong if they pay for it?

 

 

Don't know the legality of it but on the surface, they have many ways to tekan seletar airport.

 

Just need to designate 1 field in pasir gudang for kite flying competition every Saturday and drone flying hobby on Sunday. Inform Seletar 1 day in advance. GG already.

That is why we are investing on our own water production and be less dependent on M'sia on water because this concern will never ends. M'sia is very eager for the day to come when the contract ends to stop water supply at their disadvantages to SG. Because of the contract, they have no choice but to give water supply priority to us. And we help M'sia to process water and send it back to them as well. Their Sultan even thank us for assisting them when they are in water crisis too. This was reported on Yahoo earlier this year.

 

Speaking of SG being selfish and protective of our own ports. When we talked about survival, we basically will be selfish and ignored others interest. We depend on our ports for survival on a large portion. Now we are on the threat with China's rising in power, if we still spare a thought for M'sia's interest at our own vulnerablity, who is going to spare a thought for us being a country without any resources other than people compare to M'sia?

 

Building the crooked bridge, nothing wrong if M'sia is paying for their own build but once sea traffic allows to flow through there, who can guarantee our port advantages won't be affected and hence affecting our economy and trade in time to come? What about it being an opportunity to cut water supply altogether to SG with the crooked bridge when doing away the old one? Well contract of the water is still in place, but this will be a threat for SG too.

 

That is the reason why SG is so strongly against collaborating to build the bridge and our country is working hard to prep for the mega harbour at Tuas and be highly efficient so that will be the sole advantage for us to attract foreign trades to come to our harbour. SG will never be in anyways spare any interest for other countries IF it is being threatened.

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I think the move to Seletar airport is stupid by Singapore. The flight path is either towards Malaysia and disturb them or towards amk Yishun Sekang.

 

We can point the ils southwards but we choose it to point it north without even getting permission from Malaysia. Informing them is not the same as they giving us permission...

 

They are quite careful to move a Malaysian airline to Seletar airport to test water. The act of moving an airline will force a response from Malaysia and maybe negotiations can start. The only airline that suffer disruption is firefly....

 

I still think Seletar is a stupid place for airport .

The ILS need to be parallel to the runway and also need to avoid obstruction, in this case, only can point in 1 direction Johor. Pointing towards AMK means all the tall building along the way need to be tear down and rebuild with shorter building.

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So that can squeeze more lol

And we should impose compulsory insurance for every malaysian vehicle entering sg

good if these errant drivers kana squeeze......i earn peanuts oso i kuai kuai pay my jb summons so that when i ginjb go jb i wont have any fear of being hauled up for unpaid fines and later kpkb about being treated unfairly. When we are back home majority of us will pay up our outstanding summon asap but then dilly-dally when we are fined in jb. Madhatter for sure will nitpick on us so we shouldnt give him the excuse to do such.

Yesterday Najib kpkb about our Sunday Times coming out about the Tabung Haji alleged cbt which quoted unnamed sources......this kind of reports using unverified and unnamed sources can create unnecessary friction between neighbours. What was the purpose of that report? Editor or journalist are ex-Malaysian feeling grumpy with Najib? We should just mind our own business because we have our own set of issues.

For info Najib said with an audit report the 6 or 8 billion ringgit that were 'missing' were given out as dividend to shareholders and donation to the poor, destitutes in accordance with Islamic Law. If the Tabung Haji executives is so daring to take the money..........then they are really one of a kind.

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you said touch, i said no touch ... so how?

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