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last time that area was Bukit Merah SAFRA right?

 

Alexandra Central Mall has been quite empty ever since it was completed and opened

 

with this accident, probably will continue to be a ghost town

Yes SAFRA it's always empty can find parking easily and the carpark doors are ultra heavy.
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Don't move someone if u suspect them of having head or neck injury.

 

For the major injuries reported by the newspaper, move here and there a bit while getting her out or checking if she's OK, isn't really going to make it worse.

What should passer-by do when you see someone got knock, fall or crashed onto their head or neck since cannot move them?

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we were taught to do a head to toes check (swap) for any visible external injuries (example: fracture) at SMM. I reckon minimal movement for the causalty should be OK? If visible protruding injuries than I think should be zero movement.

 

Right? Wrong?

Yes

 

Do a quick spinal assessment and if any visible bony protrusion or deformity, do not touch.

 

What they did was immed jerk her up. God knows what else could have transpired there

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Yes

 

Do a quick spinal assessment and if any visible bony protrusion or deformity, do not touch.

 

What they did was immed jerk her up. God knows what else could have transpired there

A lot of ill informed good hearted people. If I was there I would have shouted not to move her.

 

Experienced a road traffic accident where I saw a pillion rider splayed face down with arms and legs at an odd angle. Told people not to move her. Could only give her oxygen as she was semi concious . And when SCDF came told the ambulance officer that suspected spinal injury and they used a metal stretcher scoop to lift her up. Was serving as a medic at pasir laba then. Always wondered what happened to the pillion.

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What should passer-by do when you see someone got knock, fall or crashed onto their head or neck since cannot move them?

I would help to move her if she is able to speak and is ok for someone to help move herself.

 

Else call 995 immediately and make sure she is breathing and has pulse. If no pulse, breathing then do a risk accessment to move her to a cpr position.

 

Correct doctors?

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Yes

 

Do a quick spinal assessment and if any visible bony protrusion or deformity, do not touch.

 

What they did was immed jerk her up. God knows what else could have transpired there

The debatable question should we or should we not fault those civic minded smaritian?

 

I am in the later camp. We should not fault them as 9 out of 10 facing such sceniro will likewise will react the same way.

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Not a doctor but looking at the injuries update, is it right to assume that they passerby made things worse by moving her?

 

I did not know this and seeing how people praised the helpful passerby , a lot of us did not know this.

 

Super impt in case anyone meet a similar situation.

Whether the passerby worsen the injuries by moving her (let say sitting her up) we won't know.

 

In my view we should not fault those passerby as 9 out of 10 will react the same way under such sceniro.

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I think the ppl present acted on instinct. They dont have the luxury of time or have x-ray vision to see that multiple fractures and ruptured liver. The poor lady is probably in shock at that time and adrenaline rushing thru her body, probably didn't felt the pain until the adrenaline worn off.

 

It's after more info came out that more ppl say not to move her....who would have known the door would be so destructive?

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I would help to move her if she is able to speak and is ok for someone to help move herself.

 

Else call 995 immediately and make sure she is breathing and has pulse. If no pulse, breathing then do a risk accessment to move her to a cpr position.

 

Correct doctors?

Of course no problem for you but to general public not many know how to check for pulse/respiration not to mention AED if there is one near by.

 

In my view the most important is to ascertain his/her consciousness (responses). Call for ambulance.

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The debatable question should we or should we not fault those civic minded smaritian?

 

I am in the later camp. We should not fault them as 9 out of 10 facing such sceniro will likewise will react the same way.

 

Do we have good Samaritan law?

 

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/no-need-good-samaritan-law-here-indranee-rajah

https://www.mlaw.gov.sg/news/parliamentary-speeches-and-responses/written-answer-by-minister-for-law-k-shanmugam-to-parliamentary-question-on-the-introduction-of-a.html

 

Not sure if these responses are even logical. I will be cautious about providing assistance.

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Happened in year 2014 Westmall. Anyone remember this case?

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Happened in year 2014 Westmall. Anyone remember this case?

This one was the boy pushed the door beyond it's opening limit. 

 

Alexandra Central's case is probably due to incorrect/poor maintenance. I have seen some of these fire door there being maintained several time....probably due to alignment or hinges problem. 

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Well what is new? We have seen our authority adopting similar approach when dealing with such leaked video / photo / info... didn't we?

 

From security and safety point of view, I do understand that such leak may to a certain extend, affect security and privacy of the organisation / personnel involved (and even hinder the investigation process), thus may be dealt with under PDPA.

 

But to take the issue to the media, instead of providing timely updates about the incident (status of investigation, actions taken, etc) and the conditions of the injured?!  [furious]

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So the priority of the mall is to take action against the person that leaked the video and not reassuring general public they have checked all the doors/safety?

 

I have never step iinside that mall even though I reside 10 mimutes drive away. For me and family safety I doubt we will be going there any times soon.

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So the priority of the mall is to take action against the person that leaked the video and not reassuring general public they have checked all the doors/safety?

 

I have never step iinside that mall even though I reside 10 mimutes drive away. For me and family safety I doubt we will be going there any times soon.

 

thats a tad drastic, but fair enough, its to raise a point.

 

Safety should not be taken for granted. While I do believe that its in the interest of everyone to have a safe working environment, even those e scooter that goes zipping around did not incur more stringent approached in the interest of public safety.

 

I sense that with the media reply and investigation going on, they may have been advised by the management to go via a PR spoke person.

 

I am sure most of us have been warned at one time or another that speaking to the media without seeking approval will be taken to task.

 

My take on this is what goes on in the mind of the person would probably be like this.

 

Media - Whats your take on the video that has gone viral.

 

Interviewee : ??? hmm..

 

oh that video should have been approved first before anything. we will take action on the person who leak the video.

 

 

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apparently the video was taken from the security cctv and only their personnel has access to. From management view they are not wrong.

Not necessary security personnel only. Nowadays cctv do has an app that allow handphone access. Just download the program and obatain the password. Work just like our incar camera.

 

I am sure some management staff and security personnel do has access to such cctv footage.

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thats a tad drastic, but fair enough, its to raise a point.

 

Safety should not be taken for granted. While I do believe that its in the interest of everyone to have a safe working environment, even those e scooter that goes zipping around did not incur more stringent approached in the interest of public safety.

 

I sense that with the media reply and investigation going on, they may have been advised by the management to go via a PR spoke person.

 

I am sure most of us have been warned at one time or another that speaking to the media without seeking approval will be taken to task.

There is no need for the management to take to social media to reveal for wanting to track the source of cctv. Bear in mind that this video are already splash all over on national MSM. Maybe oversea as well just like we seeing those china accident footage. They can do it in their own capacity.

 

What are the messages mall management trying to put across? Ensuring/reassuring the general public or forewarn not to share the video footage. Priority all wrong.

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apparently the video was taken from the security cctv and only their personnel has access to. From management view they are not wrong.

I very much doubt those front line security personnel has access to download the cctv footage come to think of it.

 

A very high chance this video was download and shared among office staffs in personal capacity. You know how such news spread in office. Boom..leak out..

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There is no need for the management to take to social media to reveal for wanting to track the source of cctv. Bear in mind that this video are already splash all over on national MSM. Maybe oversea as well just like we seeing those china accident footage. They can do it in their own capacity.

 

What are the messages mall management trying to put across? Ensuring/reassuring the general public or forewarn not to share the video footage. Priority all wrong.

 

yup.

 

agree...

 

Probably first thing that came to mind was like the HIV and did not bode well with the thinking mechanism.

 

Next would be the usual reply If at all any would be.

 

This should not have happen and the mall is looking into what cause the accident to happen.

 

The investigation is still ongoing. Once we know, I am sure you be the first one to know as well.

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Not necessary security personnel only. Nowadays cctv do has an app that allow handphone access. Just download the program and obatain the password. Work just like our incar camera.

 

I am sure some management staff and security personnel do has access to such cctv footage.

I mean this video clip was apparently using handphone to take from the security source, that is a breach liao.

 

unless this video was taken by the customer's family while the management show them what had happened.

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