2020 BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe (F44)

[Inlinefour]

49 minutes ago, Fuelsaver said:

Tailgate also not like 4gc so I'd not call this coupe

4GC liftback tailgate is useful and nice 👍 

[Fuelsaver]

1 hour ago, SZ_ford said:

haha, fit 3 teenager or smaller sized ladies at the back

mai tu liao bro, u know what i mean, haha

Tbh, at such price range, I'm really spoilt for choice. X1 Lci, 4gc, a4/5, q3, even new 3/5 (PI m sport models). It's only a matter of trade in n car price n free svc other than warranty terms

[Carbon82]

Anyone find the new 2GC look like flattened X4?

 

 

[inlinesix]

That was my 1st thought when i saw it.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Davidtch

[theory_87]

Did BMW hire designer from Proton for the rear? Reminds me of Proton Preve rear

[Theoldjaffa]

the design and lines somehow doesn't look fluid. it's awkward to me.

[Spring]

Looking at the starting prices of this 2GC which is eur 32k, it shld be approx. same price as the x1s20i (assuming it's VES neutral) so $180k thereabouts at today's COE price?

[Spring]

8 minutes ago, Theoldjaffa said:

the design and lines somehow doesn't look fluid. it's awkward to me.

The back could have been better but overall shape I thought was ok.

[Wt_know]

10 minutes ago, Spring said:

Looking at the starting prices of this 2GC which is eur 32k, it shld be approx. same price as the x1s20i so $180k thereabouts at today's COE price?

wah ... mtl!

Edited October 17, 2019 by Wt_know

[Spring]

11 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

wah ... mtl!

Haha just my guess only, so don't raise your hopes too high. Need the experts who are more familiar to comment.

[SZ_ford]

22 minutes ago, Spring said:

Haha just my guess only, so don't raise your hopes too high. Need the experts who are more familiar to comment.

i guess the price will be quite close to CLA

[Spring]

9 minutes ago, SZ_ford said:

i guess the price will be quite close to CLA

Yes it is a direct competitor of the CLA whose list price is $180k+ so my guess could be right.

[SZ_ford]

1 hour ago, Spring said:

Yes it is a direct competitor of the CLA whose list price is $180k+ so my guess could be right.

say 220 gc is 180k, 320i is 204k

is 318 coming? if yes then 190k for 318i.........OMG

[inlinesix]

3 minutes ago, SZ_ford said:

say 220 gc is 180k, 320i is 204k

is 318 coming? if yes then 190k for 318i.........OMG

At launch, only 218GC & 235GC.

I will not be surprise that both 318 & 218GC same price.

[Spring]

5 minutes ago, SZ_ford said:

say 220 gc is 180k, 320i is 204k

is 318 coming? if yes then 190k for 318i.........OMG

I don't think there is a 318i lined up yet but of course it's possible with a 1.5l 3 cyl engine but so far that engine has only been for FWD cars. Not sure if it matters to put a 1.5l 3 cyl engine on a RWD 3 series?

On a separate note, premium car brands including Benz and BMW are introducing more entry level models which the purists are up in arms against as they claim it dilutes the brand etc. To a certain extent, this is true but on the flip side; as one of the BMW officials mention on the 2 series AT and GT, it was to introduce the brand to a new generation of owners. And with that, the possibility of these new owners being repeat buyers who could possibly upgrade to higher end models in due course. Think the idea is to entice potential buyers in their earlier years and to then garner brand loyalty with them. Jury is out if this strategy is correct or not and going back to the topic, I think this 2GC is another model to attract these younger first time buyers of the brand.  

[Carbon82]

I think 2GC totally no fight against CLA, if going by this article. @SZ_ford there is no 318i yet but 318d, which is a 2.0L unit (not road tax friend in our environment)

BMW 2-Series Gran Coupe Vs. Mercedes CLA Coupe: Design, Performance, Interior And Tech

While sedans aren’t as popular nowadays as they used to be, stylish four-door models with sloped rooflines and sporty exteriors are still in pretty high demand, especially if they hail from established premium automakers.

So what do you do if something like a Mercedes A-Class Sedan or an Audi A3 isn’t exciting enough for you? Well, you can either opt for Mercedes-Benz‘s all-new CLA or it’s recently-unveiled nemesis, the 2020 BMW 2-Series Gran Coupe.

The latter will be sold in North America, among other global markets, and is based on the front-wheel drive 1-Series hatchback, even though its design is very different. Is it better looking than the CLA though? Let’s start with that.

An easy decision, right?

The fact that the 2-Series Gran Coupe and the CLA are so different aesthetically should mean that buyers have a straightforward decision to make: you either like Mercedes’ design language, or BMW’s. One issue we have is that both models look like something that’s been shrunk too much, which is true in a sense.

To make matters worse, both cars are based on front-wheel drive hatchbacks and in the case of the 2-Series GC, the end result is a little bulkier than some BMW fans might have wanted. In fact, that front end looks pretty bloated and despite the fastback-like rear, the trunk lid opening is typical of a 4-door sedan – which is fine since it’s the same for the CLA; but then why give the 2 GC a fastback body?

Also, see how the front and rear doors on the CLA are roughly the same length? It’s that type of uniformity that pleases the eye. With the BMW, you have an almost ridiculously small rear door, which aside from impeding access, also looks a bit too quirky.

Is there such a thing as too compact?

The Mercedes CLA doesn’t just look more elegant than the 2 GC because of its styling. It’s actually a slightly bigger car in terms of length, width and wheelbase. The BMW is 4,526 mm (178.1 inches) long, 1,800 mm (70.8 inches) wide and its wheelbase measures 2,670 mm (105.1 inches). The CLA on the other hand is 4,688 mm (184.5 inches) long, 1,830 mm (72.0 inches) wide and has a 2,729 mm (107.4 inch) long wheelbase.

We’ll have to wait to see if the 2-Series Gran Coupe is more cramped in the back than the CLA, but on paper, it doesn’t look good.

As for the boot capacity, the BMW’s 430 liter trunk is smaller than the Merc’s 460 liters.

What about performance?

If we were to compare the very similar M235i xDrive Gran Coupe and CLA 35 4MATIC+ Coupe, we would see that they both feature 2.0-liter turbocharged gasoline engines, with identical power outputs – 301 HP (306 PS). The BMW has a little more torque at 332 lb-ft (450 Nm), compared to the Mercedes’ 295 lb-ft (400 Nm), but the end result is the same: 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 4.9 seconds.

Also, while both models feature all-wheel drive, the 2-Series GC utilizes an 8-speed automatic gearbox, while the Merc’s transmission is a 7-speed dual-clutch transmission.

It’s a similar case with the base 228i xDrive that has a 2.0-liter turbo’d four producing 228 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque for a 0-60mph (96km/h) in 6.0 sec. The CLA 250 gets a 2.0L turbo four too, making a bit less power at 221hp but the same torque figure at 258 lb-ft (350 Nm), with a slightly worse 0-60mph time of 6.3 seconds for both the FWD and AWD 4Matic models.  Top speed is limited for both at 130mph (209km/h) with all-season tires – BMW said that if you opt for summer performance tires, it rises to 150mph (241km/h).

Is there a clear winner in the tech department?

As expected, the answer is no. Whichever car you buy, it will come with a digital gauge cluster and a large (enough) infotainment display. Then there are the active safety features, where in the BMW you get standard Front Collision Warning with City Collision Mitigation, Active Blind Spot Detection and Lane Departure Warning.

Meanwhile, the CLA is equipped with many systems that originally debuted in the S-Class. It comes with Active Emergency Stop Assist, Active Lane Change Assist, Active Brake Assist and more. Then there are the UIs, where you get voice activation in both instances by saying ‘Hey BMW’ or ‘Hey Mercedes’.

In the end, while BMW has yet to announce pricing for the 2-Series Gran Coupe, we expect the entry-level 228i xDrive to hover between low and mid $30,000s. The 2020 Mercedes CLA is priced from $36,650 in FWD 250 spec and $38,650 in AWD 250 4MATIC (the BMW will only be offered with xDrive AWD in America). U.S. pricing for the AMG CLA 35 has not yet been announced.

[Fuelsaver]

6 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

Anyone find the new 2GC look like flattened X4?

 

 

Yo. But I thot it somewhat  Kia cerato ish

Kia fans rejoice! 

[Inlinefour]

8 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

Anyone find the new 2GC look like flattened X4?

 

 

 

 

 

We can't expect too much from Kia Designer

Soon all models will be the same pattern

Either taller fatter shorter slimmer or smashed flattened

No horse run liao 😛