NUS GIRL takes her perpetrator to task

[Weez911]

Why the article has to mention a few time about his father, mother and even grandmother? How are they related to his misconduct?

 

More like asking for sympathy. I feel disgusted.

They are doing reverse engineering to justify the decisions of the police and NUS now. Damage control if you will, trying to get buy-in from Joe public to agree with the lack of punishment.

 

This concerns me because of the impact on future sexual cases. Weak deterrence is almost as bad as the initial actions of these perpetrators.

Edited April 27, 2019 by Weez911

[Playtime]

Where did the toothbrush even come from?

Hahaha...

[SGMCF328]

I think in Nic case, the police and AGC made a balanced decision between punishment and giving a chance to a young person

 

I had a gf that had $500 in the wallet, went into Guardian and shoplifted a toothbrush...

got arrested by police

 

after investigation, was sent to counselling , and she shared that did it due to some family problems causing her to go crazy

 

police did not charge her, and was given a warning.

 

She didn't do such things again

 

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For relatively minor crimes, I agree with the police/AGC position to assess rather than just jail everyone

 

Human beings do stupid shit all the time

 

myself included

(driving faster than 90kmh is also against the law btw)

 

half my class should be in jail for using the pencil sharpener mirror to look upskirt our young English teacher

 

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Monica seems to want Nic to 'die' jialat jialat as payback for seeing her naked

so if he was expelled, and police still let him off without jail, would she also go on this media campaign? only if he is jailed, jobless and shamed then is enough?

 

I wonder this 'you must die' mentality is it unique to Singaporeans?

For theft and other non sexual or life and death related case, I support the police for giving the criminal a second chance, as long as he or she has valid reason and is remorseful. But not in the case of sexual related offense or case resulted in injury. Physical and mental harm caused upon the victim cannot be undone. That is my view.

 

I don't think Monica wanted Nick to die jialat jialat as she could do much more, such as posting his personal particular openly, going to MP, seeking legal advice and many more.

 

You mentioned that half your class use mirror to look up skirt of your teacher, any of them went to NUS to further their study? Are they 1 of the 26??

[yishunite]

For theft and other non sexual or life and death related case, I support the police for giving the criminal a second chance, as long as he or she has valid reason and is remorseful. But not in the case of sexual related offense or case resulted in injury. Physical and mental harm caused upon the victim cannot be undone. That is my view.

 

I don't think Monica wanted Nick to die jialat jialat as she could do much more, such as posting his personal particular openly, going to MP, seeking legal advice and many more.

 

You mentioned that half your class use mirror to look up skirt of your teacher, any of them went to NUS to further their study? Are they 1 of the 26??

Wow I miss that he said that. In my sec school they caned a teenage boy who got caught doing that... and yet these jokers say a fully grown man needs a 2nd chance? Talk about sh1tty deterrence.

[Victor68]

<p>I do not know why there is still debate whether his crime is serious or not. Anyone think it is not? The discussion should be how should the be handled and for future reference.  If it is done wrongly, please correct it immediately and don't try to justify.  All similar crime must be treated similarly and not at the discreet of some novices. Still waiting for an answer.<img src="https://www.mycarforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif" /></p>

[mersaylee]

For theft and other non sexual or life and death related case, I support the police for giving the criminal a second chance, as long as he or she has valid reason and is remorseful. But not in the case of sexual related offense or case resulted in injury. Physical and mental harm caused upon the victim cannot be undone. That is my view.

 

I don't think Monica wanted Nick to die jialat jialat as she could do much more, such as posting his personal particular openly, going to MP, seeking legal advice and many more.

 

You mentioned that half your class use mirror to look up skirt of your teacher, any of them went to NUS to further their study? Are they 1 of the 26??

The other 25 could be trembling in fear now worrying if there’s any crawl back...

[Aventador]

That white supremacist who emptied his magazine behind praying worshippers at the 2 Christchurch mosques, also has his opinion. Just that it is not a socially accepted one (in my opinion, of course), and innocent people have to die for his opinion.

 

Hitler also had his opinion (which started WW2), and so did Osama (which ended up with 2 planes ramming into a building killing thousands). I can think of many more who had socially awkward opinion, but I don't want to push my opinion of them down your throat.

 

My opinon is that i agree with AGC and SPF decision to give Nic a 2nd chance

 

and my opinion is that the crime is minor enough to be allowed leniency, which was also what the State assessed

 

so by agreeing with what the State has decided, my opinions are equated to that of a Murderer and Hitler?

and my opinions are stupid , and i am morally bankrupt

 

at a certain point, what I am being called will become defamatory

 

discuss with me the merits of the case - I agreed with the facts of the case to arrive at my opinion

 

stop attacking me personally because I disagree with your opinion about the State (AGC/SPF)

[Weez911]

<p>I do not know why there is still debate whether his crime is serious or not. Anyone think it is not? The discussion should be how should the be handled and for future reference.  If it is done wrongly, please correct it immediately and don't try to justify.  All similar crime must be treated similarly and not at the discreet of some novices. Still waiting for an answer.<img src="https://www.mycarforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif" /></p>

This is a question for Shanmugan.

 

He leads both the law ministry and home affairs. On one hand, he and his cabinet colleagues drafted and passed the S509 and its associated punishments.

 

On the other hand, his other ministry didn't prosecute alleged S509 offenders.

 

So, I'm as confused as anyone else why we have a law and alleged offender, but no prosecution...

 

This is one reason why I don't like an individual to head both the home affairs and law ministry.

[Aventador]

.... perhaps for the sake of courtesy, it is not good to call you morally empty or stupid but using your argument, it is my OPINION that you morally empty.

 

Does that make you feel better? Like you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If you have a different moral compass than most people, other people are entitled to make their own opinions about you. 

 

Actually morals is really an intangible thing and what is morally right actually do depend on what the majority think and decide on. You can't state a super opposing view and not expect others to react to it. 

 

Kind of curious, what is the purpose of sharing your views here? For me, I come here to read other's views, hear what other people think, see if there are any updated information about it I missed, and give my own views, mainly to see if others agree with my views. 

 

As you said, morals are intangible, there is no one who can say my moral value is more correct than your

 

I did not state a super opposing view on this. I agree with AGC and SPF which are the Judiciary Bodies of Singapore.

you think that agreeing with the police is a heinous crime that deserves being personally attacked?

and justifies you saying I am morally empty?

 

My purpose of sharing MY views is to give a personal opinion on this case. Just like what everyone does in this forum

I do not post to see if others agree with me. 

I post to give an opinion

 

but in this thread, MY view is different from the majority, and it has riled many people

 

there are diversity of opinion regardless of the topic, no matter how unbelievable it is to you and the rest

 

it cannot be that if an opinion is different, that you resort to personal attacks when you are unable to bend or silence that person

 

 

[Weez911]

My opinon is that i agree with AGC and SPF decision to give Nic a 2nd chance

 

and my opinion is that the crime is minor enough to be allowed leniency, which was also what the State assessed

 

so by agreeing with what the State has decided, my opinions are equated to that of a Murderer and Hitler?

and my opinions are stupid , and i am morally bankrupt

 

at a certain point, what I am being called will become defamatory

 

discuss with me the merits of the case - I agreed with the facts of the case to arrive at my opinion

 

stop attacking me personally because I disagree with your opinion about the State (AGC/SPF)

You appear to have major difficulties with my opinion.

[Victor68]

My opinon is that i agree with AGC and SPF decision to give Nic a 2nd chance

 

and my opinion is that the crime is minor enough to be allowed leniency, which was also what the State assessed

 

so by agreeing with what the State has decided, my opinions are equated to that of a Murderer and Hitler?

and my opinions are stupid , and i am morally bankrupt

 

at a certain point, what I am being called will become defamatory

 

discuss with me the merits of the case - I agreed with the facts of the case to arrive at my opinion

 

stop attacking me personally because I disagree with your opinion about the State (AGC/SPF)

I have wanted to ignore your post but because you said videotaping someone in shower is minor, then the more the law has to make a stand about this. Should we declare that this is ok in Singapore?

[Aventador]

So let’s say the video made it way to the internet and nic was then caught later what then?

 

What about girls who get videotaped having sex with their Boyfriend unawares, that also should be minor crime?

 

Thank you for your post, which at least is a question that can be discussed, rather than a personal attack

 

I have already mentioned I support the decision of AGC and SPF to give Nic a chance

and based on the case. it was decided because it was his only video - no other victims. And no other crimes.

 

if you read the case details in the press, Monica did not know who taped her. And it was Nic gf who contact Monica immediately and brought Nic to see her on the spot and apologise. Before NUS or SPF was involved

 

so i presume the video was deleted on the spot. and was never circulated

 

My agreement with AGC is based on THIS case alone. And that included the fact that the video was never circulated

 

If the video was posted on the internet, i doubt AGC would have given him just a warning. And I would also have disagreed with AGC is they just gave him a warning

 

So as you can see, I have my own reasoning for supporting Nic

it does not mean that I support everyone who films naked women and uploads it

 

A does not extrapolate to B

 

in all my posts i have never said ALL cases deserve no jail time

it has to be with the same reasons AGC used in Nic case. Most importantly, no circulation of the video

You appear to have major difficulties with my opinion.

 We can have difficulties with each others opinion

 

I support the decision of the AGC/SPF

 

lets discuss on the case instead of likening me to murderers

 

I know you are trying to say everyone has their own opinions , even mass murderers

 

but you guys are unhappy with my opinion because it differs from yours, and are trying to malign me to support your position

 

stick to the case facts

[RH1667]

These top echelons at NUS i think their salariez also not cheap. Shud be close to superscale level. Yet when i was watching the 9pm news just now, none of their measures include removing the 2 strikes policy. Instead these top honchos proposed they will hire more campus security guards. How is this going to address the root cause?

If change the policy may means admitting that the policy is wrong; employing more security guard imply that the level of security is the cause.

I think that’s the difference between how top and ground level view raw same issue.

[Wind30]

As you said, morals are intangible, there is no one who can say my moral value is more correct than your

 

I did not state a super opposing view on this. I agree with AGC and SPF which are the Judiciary Bodies of Singapore.

you think that agreeing with the police is a heinous crime that deserves being personally attacked?

and justifies you saying I am morally empty?

 

My purpose of sharing MY views is to give a personal opinion on this case. Just like what everyone does in this forum

I do not post to see if others agree with me.

I post to give an opinion

 

but in this thread, MY view is different from the majority, and it has riled many people

 

there are diversity of opinion regardless of the topic, no matter how unbelievable it is to you and the rest

 

it cannot be that if an opinion is different, that you resort to personal attacks when you are unable to bend or silence that person

Actually if u look at my posts closely, I don’t resort to personal attacks. Even the post you quote, if you read it in its entirety it’s about non personal arguments. Actually your posts did help me to understand maybe why the police did what they did. On first thoughts, I really could not comprehend the decision made by the police.

 

Now I understand that they could be following an outdated classification of sexual Offenses. No contact=minor crime. I just hope they are more receptive to advise and opinions of others than you.

[Aventador]

For theft and other non sexual or life and death related case, I support the police for giving the criminal a second chance, as long as he or she has valid reason and is remorseful. But not in the case of sexual related offense or case resulted in injury. Physical and mental harm caused upon the victim cannot be undone. That is my view.

 

I don't think Monica wanted Nick to die jialat jialat as she could do much more, such as posting his personal particular openly, going to MP, seeking legal advice and many more.

 

You mentioned that half your class use mirror to look up skirt of your teacher, any of them went to NUS to further their study? Are they 1 of the 26??

This post is a proper one debating the case, and debating my opinion

 

sexual related offences cover a wide spectrum, and at the more severe end I agree it does not warrant second chances

 

in Nic case, considering the mitigating factors , I agee with AGC/SPF that it warrants a 2nd chance

 

it does not imply there is no mental harm suffered by Monica. All victims of crime suffer

but the State has decided that there is more Net good in the outcome by not jailing Nic

 

I support that choice, and many don't support it.

 

that is fine.

 

I dont expect others to think the same way

Someone itt claimed that recording a naked person in a shower was as harmless as stealing a toothbrush

 

Lacking basic empathy/humanity presumably

I have replied the rest properly who make an attempt to talk civilly

 

you are just an a**hole who cannot take it if someone does not agree with you

Edited April 27, 2019 by Aventador

[Beregond]

Wow I miss that he said that. In my sec school they caned a teenage boy who got caught doing that... and yet these jokers say a fully grown man needs a 2nd chance? Talk about sh1tty deterrence.

sec school look up teacher's skirt get away with it.

 

go tertiary school upgrade to take video and still get away with it.

 

come out society work liao, become what??

[Aventador]

I have wanted to ignore your post but because you said videotaping someone in shower is minor, then the more the law has to make a stand about this. Should we declare that this is ok in Singapore?

I said Nic case deserved to be classified as a minor crime. As the video was not circulated. It was his first offence of any kind.

 

Which allowed him to be given a 2nd chance

 

If it was a person who uploaded the video. Filmed many women. Then no, that would be a serious crime

 

Its ok if you disagree with SPF classification. A good start would be to try to change the SPF guidelines on these cases

 

As many feel strongly, best to petition and write in the SPF and AGC directly

 

Be a force for change in the things you believe strongly about

[Mercury1]

I take a differing view,

 

Anyway the SPF action was swayed by NUS council, if this happen in public I imagine Nic would have been in a different position. And judging from the massive blowout NUS council has acted against the interest of the students for many years now. In Summary it appears NUS students and Public and Minister disagree on this 2nd strike policy. I put 70% of the blame on the NUS policy which is now under fire and 30% on SPF for not pressing further.

 

Taking the video would have already shown a high intent to distribute, if he had peeked over and ran away I can maybe accept a slap on a wrist (maybe). 

 

Nic would have been identified sooner or later (gf or not). CCTV surveillance would be everywhere and to track the perpetrator down would not be a challenge in a small space, its likely he knew he got spotted and wanted his gf to help redeem him. In comparison SPF sought my assistance for cctv footage of a man suspected of breaking into a house (happen he walked past mine). They later said it was no longer needed and they caught him, and this is a neighborhood area not a confine hostel like NUS.

 

Anyway my view is the policy is way too lenient, a jail term on his records may not be required but definitely something harsher than what he got. This is effective zero deterrent in a environment where young people are supposed to be safe. Plus I was shocked to hear about the other cases of which one was a repeat offender and one videod children.

 

You think about it which normal decent person would even video a girl showing, such a person would likely have a high tendency to have done it before. Isn't the hostel a place I can think to send my kids to safely in the future without to be concern about this happening and then only to be given a 2nd chance while my kids lives in trauma? What if 2 months later another joker comes and does the same damn thing and to be let off  again cause its first time offence. As a parent it will make me want to pay those responsible a personal visit.

 

 

Thank you for your post, which at least is a question that can be discussed, rather than a personal attack

 

I have already mentioned I support the decision of AGC and SPF to give Nic a chance

and based on the case. it was decided because it was his only video - no other victims. And no other crimes.

 

if you read the case details in the press, Monica did not know who taped her. And it was Nic gf who contact Monica immediately and brought Nic to see her on the spot and apologise. Before NUS or SPF was involved

 

so i presume the video was deleted on the spot. and was never circulated

 

My agreement with AGC is based on THIS case alone. And that included the fact that the video was never circulated

 

If the video was posted on the internet, i doubt AGC would have given him just a warning. And I would also have disagreed with AGC is they just gave him a warning

 

So as you can see, I have my own reasoning for supporting Nic

it does not mean that I support everyone who films naked women and uploads it

 

A does not extrapolate to B

 

in all my posts i have never said ALL cases deserve no jail time

it has to be with the same reasons AGC used in Nic case. Most importantly, no circulation of the video

 We can have difficulties with each others opinion

 

I support the decision of the AGC/SPF

 

lets discuss on the case instead of likening me to murderers

 

I know you are trying to say everyone has their own opinions , even mass murderers

 

but you guys are unhappy with my opinion because it differs from yours, and are trying to malign me to support your position

 

stick to the case facts