Dyson revs up hiring spree for Singapore electric car plant

[Angcheek]

someone in EDB gonna get hurt real bad 😅

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, Flying_genie said:

Did James Dyson get free citizenship, thus enabling him to buy landed property?

His GCB requires an exemption application.

[Benarsenal]

10 hours ago, kobayashiGT said:

Charging is not a problem. you just need to change your lifestyle to accommodate charging process.  for a petrol vehicle, we can wait until no fuel liao then go pump petrol, but I highly do not suggest it, it is tedious for the fuel pump. So for an electric vehicle, we just have to be mindful about our juice and charge it whenever you see a charging point. is like your handphone, you don't wait for your phone to fully used up the juice then you charge mah. so same as an electric car.

 

I think an electric car is viable, but then again, our govt need to give us the incentive to change lah. if not everyone will just still to the petrol car and wait for further instruction.

Agree. Singapore probably not suitable for home charging since most of us stay HDB. So the public charging infrastructure needs to be ramped up if electric vehicles are to be accepted widely.

If they set aside a few lots in every big carpark (shopping mall or office building) to have a fast charger, then it won't be an issue any more. Charge 1 or 2 hours more than enough range liao.

[Benarsenal]

2 hours ago, Karoon said:

I read 2 things in this development...

1. Sg is too expensive for a car factory

    If the car is easy to make, why hire a $5000/mth engineer when you can hire a $1000/mth fella. And the land where those fellas are found are almost infinitely cheaper. So either do a Tesla, build in USA and make profit only after 15 years, or be like other sensible car makers... Shared costs, retrofit exisiting plants etc

2. Or Dyson can't do it. A fan or vacuum has 400 parts. A car has 13000. The jump needs a total rethink and revamp of their entire business operations.  

Selling cars is not an easy business. It's pretty much a closed industry, because consumer behaviour and patterns in this market tend to go with established names.

Think about it, has there been any newly-created car brand that has been successful within the last 20 years? Probably only Tesla but even then they losing money left right and centre.

Furthermore Dyson already has a reputation of making appliances. There will be a stigma attached to it. It's like asking Panasonic or Toshiba to make cars. Whether the end product is good or no good, people sure will have doubts.

[Mockngbrd]

1 hour ago, Benarsenal said:

Selling cars is not an easy business. It's pretty much a closed industry, because consumer behaviour and patterns in this market tend to go with established names.

Think about it, has there been any newly-created car brand that has been successful within the last 20 years? Probably only Tesla but even then they losing money left right and centre.

Furthermore Dyson already has a reputation of making appliances. There will be a stigma attached to it. It's like asking Panasonic or Toshiba to make cars. Whether the end product is good or no good, people sure will have doubts.

Have la got mitsubishi 

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, Benarsenal said:

Agree. Singapore probably not suitable for home charging since most of us stay HDB. So the public charging infrastructure needs to be ramped up if electric vehicles are to be accepted widely.

If they set aside a few lots in every big carpark (shopping mall or office building) to have a fast charger, then it won't be an issue any more. Charge 1 or 2 hours more than enough range liao.

SP Power is expanding its charging facilities.  These facilities included both AC & DC charging.

 

[Voodooman]

4 hours ago, Flying_genie said:

Did James Dyson get free citizenship, thus enabling him to buy landed property?

If you google a little. He moved Dyson HQ here and many of Dyson's products are manufactured in SG and the ASEAN region.  He has not used any PRC contractors and the reason is obvious.

I rather he buys a GCB here than all those rich PRCs who just parked their money (some of it dirty) here (often in properties and other rent seeking activities) without creating much value add to our economy.

Dyson spent a lot on R&D and is pretty good at what it is doing, this is the type of technology business we want to attract to SG, not another Chinese developer trying to build better and higher quality houses in SG. Nothing against PRC businesses.  I welcome Alibaba or Tencent to invest in SG anytime. 

[Benarsenal]

3 hours ago, Mockngbrd said:

Have la got mitsubishi 

Samsung also. 

[Si4dr]

14 hours ago, Benarsenal said:

If they set aside a few lots in every big carpark (shopping mall or office building) to have a fast charger, then it won't be an issue any more. Charge 1 or 2 hours more than enough range liao.

Sure got people park in the lot until finished shopping/work even they know their car had fully charged before that!😑

[CremornePt]

12 hours ago, Voodooman said:

Dyson spent a lot on R&D and is pretty good at what it is doing, this is the type of technology business we want to attract to SG, not another Chinese developer trying to build better and higher quality houses in SG. 

Completely agree. The real estate business creates no real value - it's just a way for tycoons and wealthy organizations with abundant capital to create a return through stacking bricks on bricks, and parking money with the government for the land lease. For ordinary people real estate is just a glorified pyramid game.

Even with the aborted e-car venture, Dyson's still putting a lot of valuable R&D into SG...

The only one not looking good here is the EDB. They're obviously not as uniquely savvy as they would appear. (not unlike a similarly prominent SG organization 😀) Amusing to see today's ST going into full damage control mode...

Edited October 12, 2019 by CremornePt

[Benarsenal]

1 hour ago, Si4dr said:

Sure got people park in the lot until finished shopping/work even they know their car had fully charged before that!😑

So, probably good to have a system whereby it will alert you when the car is fully charged (through the smartkey or phone or whatever). Then will ask you to move your car. I believe they are working on something like this.

After that is enforcement. If a fully charged EV is not moved from the charging point, will be clamped and fined like as if parked in handicap lot.

[Hosaybo]

5 hours ago, Benarsenal said:

So, probably good to have a system whereby it will alert you when the car is fully charged (through the smartkey or phone or whatever). Then will ask you to move your car. I believe they are working on something like this.

After that is enforcement. If a fully charged EV is not moved from the charging point, will be clamped and fined like as if parked in handicap lot.

Cannot move car.... Then why not design a movable charging point. 

[Benarsenal]

1 hour ago, Hosaybo said:

Cannot move car.... Then why not design a movable charging point. 

That's also a good idea worth looking at.

[BanCoe]

On 10/11/2019 at 6:02 PM, Karoon said:

I read 2 things in this development...

1. Sg is too expensive for a car factory

    If the car is easy to make, why hire a $5000/mth engineer when you can hire a $1000/mth fella. And the land where those fellas are found are almost infinitely cheaper. So either do a Tesla, build in USA and make profit only after 15 years, or be like other sensible car makers... Shared costs, retrofit exisiting plants etc

2. Or Dyson can't do it. A fan or vacuum has 400 parts. A car has 13000. The jump needs a total rethink and revamp of their entire business operations.  

Actually a normal combustion car has 30,000 parts electric is about 11,000 

Even Apple car is either under wraps or collecting dust

Lord Dyson....... Build Your Dreams (BYD) ....TCSS........ others have moved much faster than you and just goes to show that indeed Singapore is the most expensive city then again for this kind of industries    

 

[Jusnel]

On 10/11/2019 at 5:16 PM, Flying_genie said:

Did James Dyson get free citizenship, thus enabling him to buy landed property?

If he applies,  confirm ICA will give Express lane for his application with no question asked.

Even he no apply, ICA will call him to apply. 

[inlinesix]

20 hours ago, Benarsenal said:

That's also a good idea worth looking at.

Not possible.

How to get 400v 50A electricity to charge electric car?

[Icedbs]

On 10/12/2019 at 10:41 AM, CremornePt said:

Completely agree. The real estate business creates no real value - it's just a way for tycoons and wealthy organizations with abundant capital to create a return through stacking bricks on bricks, and parking money with the government for the land lease. For ordinary people real estate is just a glorified pyramid game.

Even with the aborted e-car venture, Dyson's still putting a lot of valuable R&D into SG...

The only one not looking good here is the EDB. They're obviously not as uniquely savvy as they would appear. (not unlike a similarly prominent SG organization 😀) Amusing to see today's ST going into full damage control mode...

I feel that as long a foreign company or foreign investor brings his investment capital into SG, there will always be some sort of value-add to the economy, be it it is in the technology, financial, manufacturing or construction sector.

Building condos and real estate will somehow also benefit the local contractors, handy mans, interior designers, furniture and sanitary system suppliers, advertising companies, web designers, marketing agents. conveyancing lawyers, bankers and all the SMEs associated with real estate. It is a huge sector with lots of mouths to feed. Actually there is a lot of "R&D" in this sector as well, just that most people on the street do not see it. Just ask HDB or any large developers...they are innovating in many aspects from their design to their offerings simply because they are building so many and consumer's expectations keep going up.

Financial sector is another one that people do not see much "value". An Indian bank or China bank setting up shop in SG would mean little to most people, but behind the scenes, they created jobs and competition to the local banks so that the local banks continue their "R&D" on new digital banking systems.  Another line of SMEs benefited because of these foreign company investments.

So let's embrace these investments. All of them has a value the economy........even if we don't fully appreciate them

[Neost]

what surprises me is the speed of announcing coming here to setup factory and then decides not to. 

I thot this type of flip flop decision making is modulus oprandi of SMEs and not MNCs