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It is debatable whether China is really a communist country.

 

In a communist country the state feeds you.

 

In China you don't work you don't eat.

 

That's free market capitalism.

 

China is a like free market capitalist country controlled by an all powerful paramount leader.

 

:D

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So that 56k chinese civil servants should have a chance to join the Men in White group, its been proven they can lift 700m tiong out of poverty. Pay them same amount but in RMB will do :D

 

 

lau Goh in today papers kpkb no talents join MIW... you still suggest pay in RMB???? his heart cant take it la...

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In 1978 the Chinese economy was grinding to a halt.

The Chinese leaders knew that communism does not work 

and were desperately looking for a new model to run the country.

 

The economic model they wanted to follow was the Swedish model.

Free healthcare, free education, free heating in their homes.

That's why you never hear old people froze to death in winter because they couldn't afford heating.

 

But Deng wanted to get SEA countries' help to stop Vietnam "expending".

So he went to Bangkok and then KL and then Singapore and he wondered how come these countries people were not staving like in China and they were successful.

 

So he asked Singapore for help.

 

So you can only imagine if Singapore did not help China

where China would be today.

 

:D

 

We can only speculate but I think it would be safe to say there would be no trade war.

 

Simply because there would be no trade.

 

 

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In 1978 the Chinese economy was grinding to a halt.

The Chinese leaders knew that communism does not work 

and were desperately looking for a new model to run the country.

 

The economic model they wanted to follow was the Swedish model.

Free healthcare, free education, free heating in their homes.

That's why you never hear old people froze to death in winter because they couldn't afford heating.

 

But Deng wanted to get SEA countries' help to stop Vietnam "expending".

So he went to Bangkok and then KL and then Singapore and he wondered how come these countries people were not staving like in China and they were successful.

 

So he asked Singapore for help.

 

So you can only imagine if Singapore did not help China

where China would be today.

 

:D

 

We can only speculate but I think it would be safe to say there would be no trade war.

 

Simply because there would be no trade.

 

 

i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed.

its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement.

to paint the results as a great sole ccp achievement is like the ccp claiming credit beating the imperial japanese army in ww2.

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It is debatable whether China is really a communist country.

 

In a communist country the state feeds you.

 

In China you don't work you don't eat.

 

That's free market capitalism.

 

China is a like free market capitalist country controlled by an all powerful paramount leader.

 

:D

 

More like crony capitalism. 

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The origin protests and current riots are totally different. Some people have ride on the original protest to create a new monster that continue to fan for personal selfish reasons.

 

Before even going further, HKers must come to reality,. What do they expect HK to be? Status quo as HK or be another Shanghai, Beijing, Wuhan, etc? There are no other options. Once this is clear, then you think over how these riots can go to which direction. The housing, economy, etc are issues that HKers have to vote and decide. These instigators going to solve them for you? Their leaders are now in the west safely enjoying tea.

Though I totally understand how HK ppl feel about their current problems, but I do feel they need to be pragmatic.

 

Let's summarise their current issues:

1. Extradition

2. Housing prices and ownership

3. Govt structure (they can't even vote their own leaders)

4. Lack of job opportunities

5. Lack of trust in China

 

How different they wan hk to be from China? Not possible.

 

So they need to "swallow" their situation. They can raise their voices and just pray hard that China hear them.

 

Those really not happy, better to migrate.

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He's right. When the countries are so large, internal problems are much bigger issues.

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i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed.

its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement.

to paint the results as a 

 

Yes that's very true.

 

If the US did not open their markets to China millions in China would have staved to death.

 

And that is why the ongoing trade war shows how unfair China are to the US.

 

US opened their markets to China but China refuse to open their markets to the US.

 

:D

 

So now everyone can see Trump is right to fight the trade war.

 

Another point that everyone knows so little is the US mistaken thinking that if 

China gets economic success they will have democracy.

 

This is wrong and the total opposite.

 

Economic success stops China from becoming democratic.

CCP stance is you have jobs and money you let us rule forever.

 

US are sometimes so silly.

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Iâm very sure you know they are not using the system they used back then.

No one uses the same system that they inherited.

Leninist principled communism was inherited and modified by Vietnam and China. Even north Korea had to modify it in the 1990s and 2000s.

 

Fact is that the implacable resolve of the communists was what was able to unify Vietnam and China. Not western democratic or puppet regimes or warlord regimes.

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It is debatable whether China is really a communist country.

 

In a communist country the state feeds you.

 

In China you don't work you don't eat.

 

That's free market capitalism.

 

China is a like free market capitalist country controlled by an all powerful paramount leader.

 

:D

Singapore Model?

 

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Without the communists, Vietnam may still be a French colony today. Who knows.

Certainly without ccp, China would be vastly different today. Given how bad things were under kmt.

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i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed.

its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement.

to paint the results as a great sole ccp achievement is like the ccp claiming credit beating the imperial japanese army in ww2.

10 million died.

Massacre by US

 

Why?

Food embargo.

见死不救.

Not written in western history.

China survived.

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What is certain is that communist principles of handling the economy are just inherently flawed.

Capitalism has principles more rooted in reality.

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