Jamesc Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 It is debatable whether China is really a communist country. In a communist country the state feeds you. In China you don't work you don't eat. That's free market capitalism. China is a like free market capitalist country controlled by an all powerful paramount leader. ↡ Advertisement 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 So that 56k chinese civil servants should have a chance to join the Men in White group, its been proven they can lift 700m tiong out of poverty. Pay them same amount but in RMB will do lau Goh in today papers kpkb no talents join MIW... you still suggest pay in RMB???? his heart cant take it la... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 In 1978 the Chinese economy was grinding to a halt. The Chinese leaders knew that communism does not work and were desperately looking for a new model to run the country. The economic model they wanted to follow was the Swedish model. Free healthcare, free education, free heating in their homes. That's why you never hear old people froze to death in winter because they couldn't afford heating. But Deng wanted to get SEA countries' help to stop Vietnam "expending". So he went to Bangkok and then KL and then Singapore and he wondered how come these countries people were not staving like in China and they were successful. So he asked Singapore for help. So you can only imagine if Singapore did not help China where China would be today. We can only speculate but I think it would be safe to say there would be no trade war. Simply because there would be no trade. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 lau Goh in today papers kpkb no talents join MIW... you still suggest pay in RMB???? his heart cant take it la...That one local talent la FT can pay RMB, sure alot takers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 (edited) In 1978 the Chinese economy was grinding to a halt. The Chinese leaders knew that communism does not work and were desperately looking for a new model to run the country. The economic model they wanted to follow was the Swedish model. Free healthcare, free education, free heating in their homes. That's why you never hear old people froze to death in winter because they couldn't afford heating. But Deng wanted to get SEA countries' help to stop Vietnam "expending". So he went to Bangkok and then KL and then Singapore and he wondered how come these countries people were not staving like in China and they were successful. So he asked Singapore for help. So you can only imagine if Singapore did not help China where China would be today. We can only speculate but I think it would be safe to say there would be no trade war. Simply because there would be no trade. i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed. its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement. to paint the results as a great sole ccp achievement is like the ccp claiming credit beating the imperial japanese army in ww2. Edited August 18, 2019 by Playtime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey2011 5th Gear August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 It is debatable whether China is really a communist country. In a communist country the state feeds you. In China you don't work you don't eat. That's free market capitalism. China is a like free market capitalist country controlled by an all powerful paramount leader. More like crony capitalism. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuPerBoRed Twincharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 They are still communist in 2019, are they in poverty now? I’m very sure you know they are not using the system they used back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSP415 Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/hong-kong-protests-huge-rally-beijing-11818448 There, defiant still. Hope its peaceful. Safe ride Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusnel 6th Gear August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 The origin protests and current riots are totally different. Some people have ride on the original protest to create a new monster that continue to fan for personal selfish reasons. Before even going further, HKers must come to reality,. What do they expect HK to be? Status quo as HK or be another Shanghai, Beijing, Wuhan, etc? There are no other options. Once this is clear, then you think over how these riots can go to which direction. The housing, economy, etc are issues that HKers have to vote and decide. These instigators going to solve them for you? Their leaders are now in the west safely enjoying tea. Though I totally understand how HK ppl feel about their current problems, but I do feel they need to be pragmatic. Let's summarise their current issues: 1. Extradition 2. Housing prices and ownership 3. Govt structure (they can't even vote their own leaders) 4. Lack of job opportunities 5. Lack of trust in China How different they wan hk to be from China? Not possible. So they need to "swallow" their situation. They can raise their voices and just pray hard that China hear them. Those really not happy, better to migrate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 More like crony capitalism. this? https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/chinas-president-xi-jinping-investments.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 (edited) He's right. When the countries are so large, internal problems are much bigger issues. Edited August 18, 2019 by Lala81 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 (edited) i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed. its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement. to paint the results as a Yes that's very true. If the US did not open their markets to China millions in China would have staved to death. And that is why the ongoing trade war shows how unfair China are to the US. US opened their markets to China but China refuse to open their markets to the US. So now everyone can see Trump is right to fight the trade war. Another point that everyone knows so little is the US mistaken thinking that if China gets economic success they will have democracy. This is wrong and the total opposite. Economic success stops China from becoming democratic. CCP stance is you have jobs and money you let us rule forever. US are sometimes so silly. Edited August 18, 2019 by Jamesc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 (edited) Iâm very sure you know they are not using the system they used back then.No one uses the same system that they inherited.Leninist principled communism was inherited and modified by Vietnam and China. Even north Korea had to modify it in the 1990s and 2000s. Fact is that the implacable resolve of the communists was what was able to unify Vietnam and China. Not western democratic or puppet regimes or warlord regimes. Edited August 18, 2019 by Lala81 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben5266 Supercharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 It is debatable whether China is really a communist country. In a communist country the state feeds you. In China you don't work you don't eat. That's free market capitalism. China is a like free market capitalist country controlled by an all powerful paramount leader. Singapore Model? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Without the communists, Vietnam may still be a French colony today. Who knows. Certainly without ccp, China would be vastly different today. Given how bad things were under kmt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben5266 Supercharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed. its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement. to paint the results as a great sole ccp achievement is like the ccp claiming credit beating the imperial japanese army in ww2. 10 million died. Massacre by US Why? Food embargo. 见死不救. Not written in western history. China survived. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 What is certain is that communist principles of handling the economy are just inherently flawed. Capitalism has principles more rooted in reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Singapore Model? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In NowRelated Discussions
Related Discussions
South Korea to start legal action against doctors over walkout
South Korea to start legal action against doctors over walkout
Kathy Chow (周海媚), most beautiful Zhou Zhi Rou, passed away at age 57
Kathy Chow (周海媚), most beautiful Zhou Zhi Rou, passed away at age 57
Typhoon Hato hits Hong Kong and Macau
Typhoon Hato hits Hong Kong and Macau
Just Stop Oil
Just Stop Oil
For Hong Kong Movies lovers
For Hong Kong Movies lovers
Hyflux shareholders to stage protest at Hong Lim
Hyflux shareholders to stage protest at Hong Lim
Police shooting of Jacob Blake in Wisconsin
Police shooting of Jacob Blake in Wisconsin