Lala81 Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 (edited) 10 million died. Massacre by US Why? Food embargo. è§æ»ä¸æ. Not written in western history. China survived. Usa did not recognise ccp rule of China until 1972 with Richard nixon visit. Similarly even though they fought Chinese soldiers in NK, China had no official presence in the ceasefire and armistice agreements in 1953. Edited August 18, 2019 by Lala81 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed. its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement. to paint the results as a great sole ccp achievement is like the ccp claiming credit beating the imperial japanese army in ww2. Actually it was germany and probably japan one of the first few entrants to china market and production. After seeing how successful these companies, usa and sg also follow suit. Thats how businessmen works, where money made they will be there. 10 million died. Massacre by US Why? Food embargo. è§æ»ä¸æ. Not written in western history. China survived. More like great famine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 What is certain is that communist principles of handling the economy are just inherently flawed. Capitalism has principles more rooted in reality. This is also not true. 85% of housing in Singapore built by the government. In a totally free Capitalist system 0% of housing would be built by the government because they would be very inefficient at it. In fact in a Capitaist system if the gov built the housing they would totally screw it up because they are not using price mechanism. In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% government hospitals. They would screw it up because they would not be using price mechanism. In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% government schools. In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% public roads as it would all be private road. In a totally free Capitalist system COE would be controlled by a private company and I would certainly buy a lot of shares in this private company. A lot of shares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor68 Turbocharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Though I totally understand how HK ppl feel about their current problems, but I do feel they need to be pragmatic. Let's summarise their current issues: 1. Extradition 2. Housing prices and ownership 3. Govt structure (they can't even vote their own leaders) 4. Lack of job opportunities 5. Lack of trust in China How different they wan hk to be from China? Not possible. So they need to "swallow" their situation. They can raise their voices and just pray hard that China hear them. Those really not happy, better to migrate. When i look at the 5 itmes, this are my tske. 1) what is the issue? They want to to protect criminals and they don't sign with anyone else? If they don't trust china, then they are china. So they have to get out. 2) housing problem. Is inherited and it is for them to solve. You mean china prevent them from solve this? 3) so they prefer Shanghai, Beijing or xiamen? 4) they have more than Singapore. They can go to china which we don't. Is this due to china or their own? These rioters even want to use Cantonese, so would their chance be better? These riots now totally shut them out from the world other than England. I won't employ them here. 5) did they ask who trust them, HKers? They are not chinese, not even British or American. So, they are? Better think properly lah 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohto Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Actually it was germany and probably japan one of the first few entrants to china market and production. After seeing how successful these companies, usa and sg also follow suit. Thats how businessmen works, where money made they will be there. More like great famine In the early 90s my first trip there. All the Audi 100 and 200 model. The main luxury car there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 (edited) Actually it was germany and probably japan one of the first few entrants to china market and production. After seeing how successful these companies, usa and sg also follow suit. Thats how businessmen works, where money made they will be there. More like great famine The early entrance into just opened China Market are SEA, and HK businessman. Ppl like Robert Kuok, Dhanin and Lee Ka Shing. China is grateful to LKY for continuing to support its economy after Tiananmen Sq Incident. Edited August 18, 2019 by Davidtch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor68 Turbocharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Actually it was germany and probably japan one of the first few entrants to china market and production. After seeing how successful these companies, usa and sg also follow suit. Thats how businessmen works, where money made they will be there. More like great famine In the early days, VW and Audi are common become German went in. Today everyone wants a piece and those who lost out got jealousy and want to provide their own interest. This is nothing new. Unfortunately, the way the west played the game is very smelly. Don't use high and mighty moral principle when you play dirty games. Karmic will befall on you as your next generations follow your footsteps. This has proven and that is how our society evolves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 In the early 90s my first trip there. All the Audi 100 and 200 model. The main luxury car there. Hearsay, Mercedes was invited to build car in China. But Merc don't want. End up, VW build Santana in Shanghai with SAIC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 In the early 90s my first trip there. All the Audi 100 and 200 model. The main luxury car there.VAG first car to open plant in china Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 When i look at the 5 itmes, this are my tske. 1) what is the issue? They want to to protect criminals and they don't sign with anyone else? If they don't trust china, then they are china. So they have to get out. 2) housing problem. Is inherited and it is for them to solve. You mean china prevent them from solve this? 3) so they prefer Shanghai, Beijing or xiamen? 4) they have more than Singapore. They can go to china which we don't. Is this due to china or their own? These rioters even want to use Cantonese, so would their chance be better? These riots now totally shut them out from the world other than England. I won't employ them here. 5) did they ask who trust them, HKers? They are not chinese, not even British or American. So, they are? Better think properly lah 1. All extradiction request to judicial system which is lower than HK. For eg, any extradiction request to Philippines will be rejected (by court). Since China judicial system is lower than HK. 2. Rather than solving HK housing problem, China worsen it by allowing PRC migrate to HK. 3. Universal suffrage is provided under Basic Law. 4. Not everyone want to work overseas. Similar situation might hit Singapore. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 This is also not true. 85% of housing in Singapore built by the government. In a totally free Capitalist system 0% of housing would be built by the government because they would be very inefficient at it. In fact in a Capitaist system if the gov built the housing they would totally screw it up because they are not using price mechanism. In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% government hospitals. They would screw it up because they would not be using price mechanism. In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% government schools. In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% public roads as it would all be private road. In a totally free Capitalist system COE would be controlled by a private company and I would certainly buy a lot of shares in this private company. A lot of shares. Yes no western democratic country is completely based on capitalistic principles. It's all an amalgation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 The early entrance into just opened China Market are SEA, and HK businessman. Ppl like Robert Kuok, Dhanin and Lee Ka Shing. China is grateful to LKY for continuing to support its economy after Tiananmen Sq Incident. China first FDI from the west is from Germany Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weez911 Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Iâm very sure you know they are not using the system they used back then.What are you complaining about now in 2019? You want to change the status quo/system of the Chinese government that has brought 1.4bn chinese success over the past 40 years, so that the 7m people in Hong Kong can elect their own government freely? Maybe one day the freely elected HK CE can openly challenge the central govt to declare independence from China, since he/she is working for the 7m HK people? Do you see the implications of a pure democracy in HK, from China perspective? Unless you hold the view that HK is never part of China. Then maybe we can explore this topic again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 What are you complaining about now in 2019? You want to change the status quo/system of the Chinese government that has brought 1.4bn chinese success over the past 40 years, so that the 7m people in Hong Kong can elect their own government freely? Maybe one day the freely elected HK CE can openly challenge the central govt to declare independence from China, since he/she is working for the 7m HK people? Do you see the implications of a pure democracy in HK, from China perspective? Unless you hold the view that HK is never part of China. Then maybe we can explore this topic again. Complain china use communism model 50-60yrs ago, so mindset still stuck china during cultural revolution Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Yes no western democratic country is completely based on capitalistic principles. It's all an amalgation. Yes successful countries are a mixture of capitalism and socialism. I am very happy 85% of our housing is built by the government and we have gov hospitals and schools. But when a country is successful people always say its due to capitalism and not enough credit is given to socialism. Government intervention in the economy is so important and continue to be important. The problem is some people claim government intervention is gov interference and is a bad thing. I think its a very good thing because human are social being and not just economic digits. There has to be a balance of economic efficiency and happy human beings. You cannot have one without the other. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tianmo Hypersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 This whole damn thing is getting meaningless to me now. I have even stop following what is happening over in HK after the airport issue. But one thing I am monitoring is, HKee pls dont come here. Please go to JB!!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Where is @kopites? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0y0ta Supercharged August 18, 2019 Share August 18, 2019 Where is @kopites? Maybe he is one of the arrested black shirts and now in the special detention centre near to Shenzhen..... No access to internet ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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