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A conversation between a barber and a young “democratic” Protestor that took place in a barber shop overheard by the writer of the article below:

Are Hong Kong protestors digging their own grave?

They are, in a sense, walking towards a life of poverty. Maybe not the grave, but near enough.

Those rioters actually do it for fun. I found it astonishing when a couple of days ago I visited the local barber and while waiting I overheard a conversation between a youngster and the barber. The youngster is a regular of the barber shop.

B: I nearly couldn’t come to work on Monday. There were disturbances everywhere.

Y: Well, that's what you get when you have an oppressive government.

B: So you're a “Yellow Ribbon (a so called “democratic” protestor)”?

Y: Yeah. I was in a lot of the protests fighting the “Black Police (Triad-like Police)”. It was fun.

B: Fun? How could that be?

Y: It's not everyday you get to beat up the Black Police. Ha ha.

B: So what is the ultimate goal of all your actions?

Y: None. I don't want to be a politician. Just want to have some fun and go back to uni afterwards. It's just a real life Zombie Apocalyse, really. We do a lot of planning, coordinating, and execution. Then we get to go home. The police always let us walk.

B: You're not worried you'll get caught?

Y: Nah, There're too many of us. Besides, that's why we have the masks, hard hats and goggles. We all look the same - no distinguishing marks. And our uni will pay for legal assistance if we're caught. We'll get fined if convicted. No big deal. Besides, you get a lot of street cred if you tell the chicks you're a martyr*. The chicks love it.

*well I'm using the word “martyr” as a translation for “義士” in Chinese, but really it could not exactly be translated as “martyr” because martyrs are usually dead. But I'm lost for a better translation that fits.

The conversation went on.

The goals of the original protests have veered off course severely and the rioters nowadays are actually treating these riots as something akin to an online game! They are careful in trying not to be caught because they're not ready to sacrifice themselves for whatever cause. They're just ready to sacrifice other people's future, and the future of HK, so that they can have fun, and pull some “chicks”. That's both incredible and terrifying.

Their sponsors have told them they would be accused of misdemeanors which means a fine or social service as punishment. What their sponsors didn't tell them is they would get a criminal record, which is for life, and would not be able to join any profession or career that requires a licence or vetting such as a government employee, doctor, lawyer, accountant, estate agent, social worker, security personnel, bank staff or even a hotel manual worker. And they would be charged with rioting, not public misdemeanor, which means years in jail, not just a slap on the wrist.

So, they're not digging their own graves figuratively, because the HK government, the police, or even the Chinese government would not dare to use real force against them. But they're certainly making a good effort to make way for themselves a life of nothing, or even poverty.

What that barber or the rioter’s sponsor didn’t tell that youngster was, when the tanks roll in...he’d become a 烈士 but 阎羅王 would categorize him as 劣士 like the rests of trouble makers and condemned them to be animals only to be abused in the farm of western countries since they prefer their flags...
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Sounds to me like it is not difficult at all to be "very careful". It just basically means supporting China's position.

In this case I support him. The facts are there and nobody can change it. Singapore cannot be saying differently. We are not Britain or America and start to talk nonsense just because they stand to gain from it. We throw shit at them, we will end up with more later.

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A conversation between a barber and a young “democratic” Protestor that took place in a barber shop overheard by the writer of the article below:

 

 

 

 

the police know that too.

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Chinese fight Chinese while the westerners instigated, laughed at us and made worthless comments.

 

争气点 leh...haiz.

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risk assessment depends on what is your risk tolerance level, no 2 person, system or organization will assess a risk the same way.  Risk assessment also changes with situation, time, and ground movement, a short term risk assessment can produce result totally different from a long term assessment of the same situation, it depends on your goal.

 

The rioters will practice risk assessment? You think they even know that there is a high possibility that all of them will go to jail or injured or killed? Their assessment is they have no risk. so if that is it, they will have to take the responsibility.

 

What the HKPF did, and what they are doing now, the risk assessment has obviously shifted. While the concern was what the HK ppl will react to their action, it has now become what will happen to the HK economy and finally the whole of HK if  they dont do that action. Thats how much the risk appetite of the HKPF has grown.

 

How far would the HKPF go to clear rioters? as far as firing tear gas into MTR stations and shutting down the airport? No? and it will get further if situation requires them to, mayb fire tear gas into the airport? well if have to, then go ahead and do it. 

 

Trust between ppl and HKPF? is there still trust between them now? what trust is there to talk about now when the HKPF is not doing the job they were suppose to have done earlier? rioters beating up police, burning police station? Trust? building owners ban police from entering? trust? private residents chasing away police in protection of rioters? Trust? 

 

Trust is when they put their fist now hard when it is needed most and clear the riots, put peace back into the society which is their responsibility and bring back law and order. That is the trust in the HKPF, likewise in any police force in the world. 

 

Trust is not given to any law enforcement who give way to crimes. 

 

nope, there will not be any long term political implication from the current action, there will at most be a mid term implication , a 28 years mid term at the very most. For in the long term, HK will be back to 1 country 1 system, and politically under one party rule.

 

Provided article 18 is not activated now, otherwise  there is not even going to be a mid term political implication at all. 

 

It is always easier to force to clear up the rioter.  How to reconcile the community again after that?

 

As i told you numerous time, this is a divided community.

 

Currently, RMB is under strict FX control.  The largest offshore RMB market is in HK.

 

Whether it is 1 country 1 system or not, depends on whether RMB freely traded.

 

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Your analogy is off. It should be USA students sit in New York airport what USA will do?

 

it is not USA students protesting in hongkong....

Then usa will say its instigated by china, those students are funded by CCP and aim to threaten democracy and freedom in america lol

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Then usa will say its instigated by china, those students are funded by CCP and aim to threaten democracy and freedom in america lol

 

 

well.... if one fine day.. prc students in our Unis (or FTs) start some protest here about SCS or any thing else.. i hope they get deported like the myammar fellas.

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well.... if one fine day.. prc students in our Unis (or FTs) start some protest here about SCS or any thing else.. i hope they get deported like the myammar fellas.

Yeah, every foreigner should be deported if they involved in protest of politics
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Chinese fight Chinese while the westerners instigated, laughed at us and made worthless comments.

 

争气点 leh...haiz.

 

 

not very fair la....

 

Malayan Emergency how?

Operation Coldstore too.. though this case some dispute about cause and effect.

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the protesters decided to occupy the airport for another 4 days  [sweatdrop]  

 

looks like @Enye won't be coming back so soon   [laugh]  [laugh]

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the protesters decided to occupy the airport for another 4 days  [sweatdrop]  

 

looks like @Enye won't be coming back so soon   [laugh]  [laugh]

 

 

Ok mah, if they stick / keep to only airport, means Central, and other shopping area is safe. 

Treat as free holiday paid by company. 

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It is always easier to force to clear up the rioter.  How to reconcile the community again after that?

 

As i told you numerous time, this is a divided community.

 

Currently, RMB is under strict FX control.  The largest offshore RMB market is in HK.

 

Whether it is 1 country 1 system or not, depends on whether RMB freely traded.

 

 

 

Nope, its not always easy to use force to clear up rioters, but it is the most effective way to clear rioters.  I have not seen any riot in the world to go away peacefully after violent started, it almost always end up with police force clear. So what so different abt HK? 

 

Name me 1 riot that was not cleared by force? And we talking about riot not protest. Protest, yes, it can end peacefully. Riot? never!

 

You dont have to keep telling me is a divided community, because all communities are divided.  Thats why there is such a thing call " majority wins", and in "democracy" there is votes to decide. It is not exclusive or unique to HK.   Both you and I dont know exactly the numbers, but base on reports these past 2.5 months, there is a total of 2 million out of 7.5 million out protesting, which means 5.5 million did not agree.

 

Isnt 5.5 more than 2?  It is not even a 4 vs 3 kind of close division, so you tell me how divided is the community?  Just because there are riots everyday and reporters reporting lopsided news means the division is bad?   Just because 3 person come to my office every day saying they want to change start week to sunday means the whole office agree?

 

You name me 1 community that is not divided, that everyone agrees on every single thing. 

 

RMB sticky controlled didnt happen overnight, it was held at 9.25 for the longest time before it starts to free up many years ago. So whats stopping it from being control again? Isnt bank intervention a form of control also? Do central banks not intervene in the FX market when their currency is targeted? is that a form of FX control? 

 

1 country 1 system or not dont depends on how RMB trades freely in HK, RMB will automatic be the official  local currency use when it is 1 country 1 system. 

 

As it is now, RMB is already accepted in many countries to use as payment ( including SG) and traded,  soon RMB will be  openly accepted and traded, HK will not be the largest "offshone" anymore.  If trade war persist, who is going to stop PRC from moving RMB back to 9.25? it will offset whatever taxes ang moh president places on its goods. But this is another topic totally.  [laugh]  [laugh]  [laugh]

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你是那个年代的?

 

 

俺舒黏黏山石二啦!!!  [:p]  [laugh]  [laugh]

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the protesters decided to occupy the airport for another 4 days  [sweatdrop]  

 

looks like @Enye won't be coming back so soon   [laugh]  [laugh]

 

 

mayb door finally close when he is there, and then he becomes HKee.... [:p]  [laugh]  [laugh]

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the protesters decided to occupy the airport for another 4 days [sweatdrop]

 

looks like @Enye won't be coming back so soon [laugh][laugh]

Paging for enye :grin:
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